so , is anybody skilled enough to come up with a boosted and realistic starion via LFS tweak ?

Quote from Tweaker :

He is saying that is has no affect on the game or its development... and as for most of us here, we know you want the game fixed in most areas (tires primarily), so it is obvious that such a feature in LFSW is worthless to you. So it of course is your opinion, but if this SMS feature is of no good for your own personal use, then why do we need to hear that... and ONLY that. Looks to me that most people don't mind that feature so much, but I know that most of the compliments are for that little progress report regarding some fixes... and THAT means a lot... especially to you right?

Just seems so many people have to point out the negatives, when there is some great positive news for all of us to talk about

Maybe once the patch comes out, most people will appreciate the content being given to us, and the time the devs spend on this game.

i know what he's sayin...the truth is , not only POSITIVE things should be pointed out..so, once again, that was my opinion about that SMS thingy..and it's a negative opinion and so what ? you dont like my opinion ? dont read it. as for the positives, i dont see any positive thing in this "report".... and remember , we're on a forum here , not on your personal blog or whatever...

Last edited by silent_wind, Thu 6 Apr 2006, 13:27.

Quote from illegal :

It didn't slow down LFS development progress, it didn't slow down the site, it doesn't cost you a thing, if you stop complaining about it you won't even notice it's there.

im not complaining , im giving my opinion..i guess that's also what forums are made for. and my opinion is that LSF SMS stuff and whatnot is a joke, to me, of course. that's it !

doh ! gimme a brake with that SMS thingy..illepall completely useless IMO.. come on........

some specs : http://www.carfolio.com/specif ... ?car=12639&Mitsubishi






a question now : can anyone make a boosted starion via LFS tweak ? with the proper wheels size, engine, wheight etc... (i aint talkin bout a fantasy starion here) ? i think there's a version equiped with a 2.6L & some 15psi turbo boost..

Last edited by silent_wind, Thu 6 Apr 2006, 02:55.

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Quote from Gabkicks :

does RBR set up correctly feel floaty to you?

RBR is good too..

Quote from axus :

I think LFS has gone a long way in eliminating that since it started and we are pretty close now... it is not that dodgy anymore and I think the patch will make it pretty believable... I'm not saying it will be perfect, just better than anything the competition can offer.

i wouldnt use the word "BETTER" for we dont know what NK Pro is gonna bring and most importantly, LFS has at least to be "better" than what already exists ,which is GTP/NR2003..so im not gonna be that optimistic, i rather wait & see...

ok , i'll be back here when NK pro is out ! we're certainaly gonna have somethin to talk about

see ya soon !

dudes ! i was comparing the tire models to NS2003/GTP too, and as i already said, that's a specific comparison there...so stop sayin im just bring up NK only.. my idea was to compare it with , in my opinion , the best existing tire physics that are once again NR2003/GTP , and then wanted to know what you think of that upcoming NK pro in that tire "sector"...

im gonna get some sleep now , i'll see ya tomorrow..

Quote from axus :

ajp71 said there will be non-cockpit views alongside the cockpit one in contrast to NK naime where there was only the cockpit view.

ok , got it now... well as long as the physics are good and we can have filters it really doesnt matter..

Quote :

As for NR2003 and GTP, I can't say I have spent much time with them...

well, that's a pity , cos you wouda seen the difference..as far as im concerned , i starded LFS from the very first demo ever, as well as the NR2003, so i know them both very well.. try to have some spins with GTP and notice that bite and grip...

as i said before , it really enoys me to start adapting my setups and driving to match those wearied tire behavors if you know what i mean..that's why i've quit LFS for a while now, waiting for somethin to happen bout the tires..i really hope LFS will reach that NR2003 tire physics level !

Quote from ajp71 :

I'd be suprised if nK turns out to be anything other than an extremely serious simulation, it is offering keyboard support this time and none cockpit views, but is not offering any driving aids, so don't expect keyboard users to be competitive anymore. It's also offering server filters to force cockpit view and not allow keyboard/mouse users.

no cockpit view ? i thought i read on NK RSC forum there gonna be a cockpit..it's in the unofficial FAQ stiky..or maybe we're not talkin bout the same cockpit view ..

Quote from axus :

I wouldn't have bothered replying again this time if you hadn't put words in my mouth, saying that I called you a dumbass. If you have a language issue that's your problem, but if you read carefully you'd see that I was refering to someone asking a physics question on the GTR forums being called a dumbass for wondering about such things.

yeah, i think i went a bit too fast reading your post since you seemed pretty agressive from the start... my mistake on that one then.. as for insulting people, come on, i dont think i insulted anyone here...that's a bit too much..anyway, how bout GTP/NR2003 vs LFS tires ? i already mentioned it in some posts above..is it more specific to you to come up with a conclusion ? how bout the feeling anyway ?

im gonna add GTP/NR2003 in the tillte topic by the way.

Last edited by silent_wind, Sun 26 Mar 2006, 15:09.

Quote from axus :

How's that? The guy just told you that he thinks LFS physics does lack in certain aspects and you call him un-objective? What else do you want him to say? And LFSers aren't objective as opposed to the rFactor boys? And of course let's not forget the GTR boys who will flame you for wondering about Unsprung Mass Distribution and things like that... I may have gotten hold of the wrong end of the stick here and found the minority of posts that stand out as bad, but I don't think that anyone in the LFS forums will just post in your complex physics discussion thread just to tell you that he thinks you are a dumbass.

On the completely opposite extreme - on this forum you get some very objective discussions:

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=4761
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=4375
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=4214
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=3667

...the list goes on...

nothin is wrong bout what i said ,actually i meant he might not be objective, so now you may wanna take it easy and lose that attitude ok? and thx for calling me a dumbass (i wont reply to that here even if im able to say a lotta thing bout you too)..chill out now and stop posting here if u dont like the thread, im kinda sick of you being dramatic from the start..back to the topic.

Quote from Tweaker :

No not BS at all. Those statements (if coming from NK officially) could be very well all true. But if you notice these days with a lot of simulations, they get more attention and hype before the game even comes out... just by posting some gratifying reads that the community just loves to oogle about. Happened with a lot of past simulations, and still happens whenever something news arises. Take rFactor for example. Soooo much was said and discussed about that simulation... had me VERY interested just like NetKar has done too. BUT, once the game came out, it was a complete failure to me, it did NOT meet my expectations that I interpreted from their stupid reads and pre-release hype mumbo. I am not saying NetKar will do the same, but rFactor is just an example of how "iffy" these reads can be... which is why it isn't so smart to request something for LFS from a simulation that has not even been widely tested/played. Once NK comes out, only then could these explanations you read about be used to reinforce why the tire model is so good, or so bad.

I know what you mean about setting your car to adapt to the slippery physics, that is present with most setups with most of the cars in LFS. But still, the tire model overall is great in LFS regardless of that point because the setups ARE being made PROPERLY in order for the car to make grip. Think of it this way... If you had a sportscar that had trouble with slippery rear-end grip, and you had the chance to fix it via the car's setup, you'd have to give the car very similar settings as you would in LFS. The only downside is, we are making setups for the lack of a specific kind of grip that fails at a certain maximum. Like as if we had some poorly made tires that collapse from fright . Once that is fixed, the feel for LFS will be great, and I am sure people will approve of it and we won't have to be making setups that try and alleviate the sliding.

As for objective... yeah... to your contradiction... I can recall when you said everyone was "fukin' retards" online the other night because nobody agreed with you :rolleyes: :doh: Gimme a break, relax yourself.

first we're talkin bout NK vs LFS here not "all the other sims" , second you said it yourself "hose statements (if coming from NK officially) could be very well all true.", i think NK guys are pretty serious , i guess.. i also compared it to GTP and NR2003 for more specific references..now , i think you got my idea ayway...

concerning your sweet memories from online, you also forgot to recall why i said "f**** retards, but hey , you couldnt help it but bring that shit up here anyway, huh ? the sad truth is there are some retards online really..but i dont think it's the topic of this thread neither the right place to quote things that happen Online..you may wanna stay on topic ..and if you have anythin to say bout the online bitching or whatever , you're more than welcome to PM bout it so you'll get the proper answer to that.. once again , let's stay on topic pls. thx.

Quote from axus :

Wow! Relax!

You started a thread, asked for an opinion and when someone gave one that differs from your initial mind-set, you flamed them! You just threw the guy's opinion, which you asked for, back in his face. There is no denying that LFS tyre physics lack in certain aspects - and Tweaker admitted that. You say that you hope LFS reaches NK tyre physics levels some day like you already know what NK physics are like. The fact of the matter is that you don't know what NK drives like and you don't know how tyres are modelled in LFS because Scawen hasn't given us a detailed description so you have no basis for such a statement. If you are here to cause shit with this thread then a moderator should please close it ASAP. If you are here to have a decent conversation
then do so.

you should relax dude, i only gave my own opinion, i aint preventing anyone from giving his/her opinions...i dont see no flaming or such thing on my post, i was just just comparing the 2 sims concerning their tire phisics..i think you should calm down abit instead of jumping on people's necks like that and stop being dramatic pls, no use..

@tweaker : so basicaly what you're sayin is all that talkin bout NK pro is BS, right ? (i know you didnt SAY it was BS, but it sounds like it to me )
anyway, whatever you meant remains your opinion that i actually dont agree with , and i even think that NK pro is really promissing concerning tire physics..

you mention that some might have bad setups, or tires heat issues that makes the LFSian car hard to handle, is this an excuuse ?? ..the thing is , in LFS you have to have a diffrent setting "approach" and despite the fact you're good or not at setting up cars..it's like you're setting the car for rain conditions to prevent that brutal spining, and adapting you driving and/or setups to some "false" and wrong behavors isn't really exciting IMO..i really think you're not really objective when it comes down to LFS, as many others here by the way..but whatever.

@ajp71 : i agree with you there when you brought up NR2003 and GTP...it just feels so grippy and even with the worst setup in the world you still have that grip/bite feeling!

i know LFS is still an alpha and whatnot..i just hope that LFS will reach that NK or NR2003/GTP tire physics level someday........ and by the way , it's been a long time i havent gone for a spin on LFS and i wont till a patch for tires is out, and at the mean time im gonna get that Nk pro when it's out by the end of this month..

Last edited by silent_wind, Sun 26 Mar 2006, 12:51.

this is a quote from the NK Pro forum in the "unofficial FAQ" section :

Quote :

TYRES:
(from Kunos' diary)

The main element of any simulation was also the subject of a total rewrite. The model is now a Pacejka 96 full model with integrations for temperature and pressure changes plus some integration for dynamic behaviour for the quick spinning on the Y axis of the tire. (quick steer).
What I really love about this Pacejika's model is the incredible control it gives on the relationship between longitudinal and lateral forces plus the ability to reproduce a tire with 3 different "zones": a linear zone, a sliding zone, and a frictional zone once the tire lost the grip. I find the linear zone often missing generating a tire that is in "sliding" mode all the time.. giving a sort of "floating" feel to it. In netKar PRO, you get a clear linear zone that gives the tires an incredible amount of "bite".. you really need to push the car to get into the "sliding" mode of the tire and makes driving fast with netKar PRO a very different experience where you literally throw the car into a corner at speeds that most of the time you won't believe and then you'll handle her on the edge of the limit. Driving is more "physical", after 20 laps with the powerful stiff cars you really feel your head shaking.
I turned off the automatic surface smoothing featured in nK099, and this makes the ride really scary on the stiff lower cars and you'll often find yourself bottoming around shaking like crazy. The fact of driving directly on the triangles of the track also gives meaning to the idea of "fast bump and rebound" settings.. mostly unusued before, you'll need these badly to set up the attitude of the car on bumps. I was able to turn off the smoothing because the new tire model is so good to handle the contact/no contact situations, much better than the old one. As you can tell, I am quite happy and excited by the results.

i was just wondering if the devs are planing to implement somethin similar for LFS tire physics ? and if yes , is it gonna be on the next patch ?

Thx,

Last edited by silent_wind, Mon 27 Mar 2006, 10:24.

as far as im concerned, i've given LFS a good brake till somehting's done bout the tires mainly..until then , i stick to GTL and you'll find me at the ring with my stang shelby GT350 !

see ya ,

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Quote from Force2Concern :

I have a 88 Starion or more often referred to as a StarQuest because of it bieng also called a Conquest in the States also. The reason I bought this game sadly is the XRGT Turbo is identical to my car, not the interior, but if you look at the front and rear lights there layout is almost identical. The XR GT though is much more like a non widebody starion (maybe a 84???), the reason also though I believe the car was built a large amount off the starion is because the Starion though not widely known was and still is a very good track car. Look up some history on it and you will see that it had quite a record of dominating.

Look at the horsepower rating 250 for the XRGT Turbo, with a 3 inch exaust w/o a cat strait pipe that is an averge hp rating for a Starion, which mine is either close to, or higher not sure, also look at the boost, Starions boost to 12 psi, but many turn the stock turbos to 14-15 psi which is safe to do as long as not under constant use. I believe the spoiler and interior are the only differences between the two, except its relatively easy to put a spoiler on a car, and the hood which might seem to be different really isnt because you could buy that hood with the Starion, sadly of which mine doesnt have... well I have written entirely to much for a first post but thats just my 2 cents! Love the car no matter what the inspiration was cause as long as theses voices in my head keep telling me its my car (and to keep sane), its all I will drive!

yeah i agree 100%, the XRT is definatly a starion inspired ! you're dam lucky by the way , i'd love having one !

im too giving LFS a gooood brake..im just waiting for some physics update..

at the meantime i'm stickin to GTL my favourite sim for the moment and beleive me it has nothin to do with that Rfactor crap even if it's an ISI engine, furthermore, u can feel the suspension very well with an awsome force feedback too...

see ya LFSians in a couple of month (i'd bet for 5 or 6 months )since it doesnt seem there'll be an update upcoming soon.. just take your time you devs

ok , my stang shelby GT350 is waiting for me , i gotta go

see ya'll !!

TO ME the best are GTL sounds, they might not be perfect some may say, but the best so far i've ever heard whether in terms of Revs, fidelity or anythin else..

anyway, LFS sounds are cool on revs but they still need a lotta work... maybe we'll get a similar GTL sounds quality on that up coming S3..

but dont get me wrong , i still like the sim, i drive on LFS since day one ! back to that first demo ever ! lol but i've given it a gooood brake since GTL was out..im just waiting for some good tire physics update..

anyway, that was my point of view concerning sounds..and no need to tell that rfactor's sounds are crap !

happy new year ,

later,

hi,

i just installed the new Nforce3 chipset drivers which are the 5.11.. so i was wondering if there's anywhere i'll be able to see the driver version displayed , j ust for a confirmation if u know what i mean...

any idea ?

the crapy momo racing pedals !