Lol. too much? Is a YACHT too much? Is a vacation home with a speed boat too much? How about you go and do a BMW Formula 1 drift setup and let's make it a LOT much? (inspired by the AM/PM commercial, you would get it if you live in the northwest Americas).

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=880965#post880965

Last edited by ssm, Fri 1 Aug 2008, 06:35.

I just submitted a very good drift setup for the FBM.

Hope you like it

http://www.lfsforum.net/attach ... id=62821&d=1217565741

This is the setup that I have been using online. I have been sharing this one, a lot of people love it. I hope you guys enjoy it!

It has an s2000 gear box, and has a fairly stable suspension. Stable enough for you to swing the car around easily. Though, it still takes some practice...(an easy formula car drifter is like a "kid friendly gun")

EDIT: added a setup with extra toe OUT so you get more lock to lock countersteer. I added a replay of the wide lock setup, it is a bit more twitchy then the regular setup.

Edit2: New perfected setup prototype uploaded.

Last edited by ssm, Mon 4 Aug 2008, 22:30.

Well, if it's going to charge a subscription fee, it better have EVERYTHING. Including weather, damage, and best damn AI system that the world has seen.

Quote from mrodgers :

Nope....

5000 rpm is 5000 rpm, no matter what the load on the engine is. Your engine speed is still 5000 rpm, still sucking air in, and still exhausting air....

No. Different load. You use more petrol and o2 when the engine is under load. You use more petrol to reach a certain rpm when the engine is under load. The throttle doesn't control the RPM, it controls the throttle flap which controls how much fuel mixture gets into the cylinders.

Oh, by the way, is there rain in iRacing?

An S2000 is a good car. It's reletively cheap, it's fast, luxurious and spacious interior, confident ride, and a future classic.

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Personally I don't think you should be allowed to drive an M3 or Impreza at 17 regardless of how much money you're Dad's got.

You are just jealous, by the way, I tried the new STi, it feels slow and mushy, a little better then the 350Z, but only by a bit.

Quote from Zen321 :

Actually, you HAD to double declutch and blip the throttle when upshifting on very old (race and every day) cars. Because it took a lot more time to shift, your revs could go lower than the value after the gearbox was synchronised.

The only major difference in the structure of an old gear box and a modern gear box is the synchronization units. The synchronization units are very much like sand paper, a clutch plate that is between the input gear and the main "slot" gear.

You NEVER blip the engine while upshifting, you are trying to let the revs drop enough that you can engage a higher gear set. What I said about "so double shifting on an upshift would only hurt your synchronization units more." means that: you need to slow the input gear down, speeding the input gear up then mashing the gear in, taxes more on the synchros. Because you are adding extra force for the synchros to slow down for you, thus wearing it down further then normal.

You need to blip the throttle on a down shift because the ratio is quicker, and taller, you need to make the input gear faster to match up to the taller ratio.

Look at the gear setting in the LFS garage, the scale is a pretty good illustration of a gear set, the lower the gear, the "taller" the ratio.

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I don't get your last point (to mrrodgers). Your transmission doesn't affect your turbo's pressure.

I mean, there will be little load on the engine when you are in an "empty gear" such as neutral. It would provide approxamately the same amount of stress on the engine as when you depress the clutch and rev the engine.

You should understand that the exhaust gasses do not come out at a fast enough rate when there is not enough load on the engine. If there is not enough exhaust gasses coming out, the turbine will not spool fast enough. If the turbine does not spool fast enough, the pressure in the intake manifold will not build. Comprende?

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The engine's speed doesn't drop fast enough?

Well, ideally, the clutch is only used during startup. The clutch is now just used as a safety precaution to prevent us to accidentally use the engine's torque to grind up the synchros or gears.

Quote from HellBoy99 :

Before u start 'hailing it' u should know that all he did was put orange everywhere and clone THIS on it.

It's not rly his 'humar' or 'work'.

Gaywin's law?

I believe that six speed manual sticks are the best thing in real life, that's why I am CALLED ssm... faster downshift, and a lighter overall car.

Quote from JJ72 :

sorry how can a road car feels similiar to a formula car on slicks with downforce.

the S2000 is lot more powerful than the FBM, has the engine in front of the driver, about 2 and a half times heavier, and half the grip.

Obviously, you have not driven that Honda in the rain. Any power to the wheels and you do a(n?) one eighty.

Oh, sorry, I ment it FELT like an s2000... When you drive with an xbox controller, a lot of things feel a like. Did I mention that they are both technically mid engined?

EDIT:and I NEVER kick the clutch, no matter what car I am in.

EDIT2: I just figured out that the fbm has a power to weight ratio of 0.12 hp/lb (243.5 bhp/ton) and the Honda has a value of 0.08 hp/lb (167.6 bhp/ton)... But I still reserve the statement that it FEELS the same...

Last edited by ssm, Wed 30 Jul 2008, 22:08.

Well, drifting DOES teach people about how their car grips, throttle control, and vehicle awareness. Which are all essential to car control in actual racing. You need the throttle control and grip awareness to keep your car on the limit between being on rails and kicking the tail out. You need vehicle awareness to get through slaloms, hairpins, sweepers, and any other kind of corner.

I only caught the match in Silverston a month back, when it was heavily raining. I loved the rain racing, it's exciting watching those drivers understeer then oversteer, only having the throttle cutoff traction control keeping them in line.

I love it, except for a thing or two. Firstly, I can't disengage the clutch and the car is a floppy paddle gear box. I am pleased with the realism and everything... but I can't kill the engine like in LFS.

Can I join you guys? Just enable the FBM when you do the servers... I am an Xbox Controller driver.

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Quote from evilpimp :

You can double clutch on upshifts and heel n toe double declutch on downshifts. kthxbai.

You can double clutch in both situations.

You don't need to speed the input gears up during an upshift. You DO need to speed the input gears up for a downshift. On an upshift, you let the input gears SLOW DOWN, so double shifting on an upshift would only hurt your synchronization units more.

and @ mrrodgers, there is no resistance when you rev the engine in "neutral gear", so, it would not do much for your boost pressure. There is something called a parking brake start, where you have the parking brake on, and you slip the clutch and use the clutch plate as resistance for your turbocharger to build up boost pressure.

Last edited by ssm, Wed 30 Jul 2008, 06:05.

First, I have to clear somethings up here. I DO drive the XRG, but it's simply too slow. I practice racing but sometimes I just mess about and say "eff it, I am not going to let off the throttle". When I am slightly heavy on the throttle, that's what happends. I practice racing around BL all the time in the FBM. The XRG feels like it's in slow motion when I switch to XRG when I decide to join the "drift servers". Why do you guys criticize me for having good vehicle control?

The main reason I love the FBM so much is because of it's resembelance to the Honda S2000. I have test driven the s2000 several times, I try to go for a spin in one everytime I hit the Honda dealer, sometimes I try to drive it hard. I am currently saving up for one.

The similarities include: they are both low on torque, have 9k redlines, both technically mid engine rear wheel drive, both *reletively* light, they are both twitchy when nearing the limit of grip, and the fact that I dialed in the Honda's gear box for the FBM.

I didn't say that it isn't possible to do a doughnut in an XRG, I said it was harder then in patch Y. But it IS damn near impossible to do a doughnut in an FBM.

Quote from DragonCommando :

double downshift? do you mean double clutching? because thats only done when you upshift. For downshifts you have to blip the throttle, and you don't even have to use the clutch. Just release the throttle, put it in nutral, blip, and stick it in gear. If done right, it will just slide into gear, no syncros needed.

If you want to make it more realistic, just have gradual wear, there isn't much you can do to screw up a shift badly enough to break something.
you can do it, but its not as simple as screwing up a shift.

You usualy feel the grinding in the stick more than you hear it (at least in the cars I drove), and if it does grind, its not doing much damage unless you shift like a gorilla.

If you want realistic shifting, you need realistic shifters, that can prevent you from clicking it into gear if it doesn't line up, and unfortunately they don't have those yet.

WHAT?! double shift going up?! do you even drive? For example, when I want to go from 3rd-2nd gear in endurance driving, I would double shift so that the synchronization units don't wear out as much trying to speed up the input gear and matching the revs. You let the speed of the input gear DROP to upshift. But yes, you are correct about not needing to use the clutch. Though, what does that have to do with anything I was saying? I was talking about the gearbox, not the clutch.

The XRG just goes around in circles and then when I try to kick the clutch to get the car to rotate, the car does a 180 and the engine stalls.

Oh, btw, here is a clip of me drifting the first corner in BL in a FBM.

The funny thing is... It is so much harder to do doughnuts now in Patch Z then in Patch Y

I just wish they would include a Honda S2000.