Quote from KiRmelius :

Oh. It's too late to become a tester, right?

ermmmm .... i'd say so

they may ask for just the shifter... which makes the wheel inoperable... at least thats what they said to me when i had to send mine in ages ago.

Quote from oqvist :

But you guys have the wrong view on things... When you got to try the beta wheel it was very clear it was a beta test. You signed to try it out it was voluntary and hasn´t cost you a bit. You regret that you ever got to lay hands on the wheel I assume then...

Actually, it did cost me just to receive this wheel due to a paperwork error made by their shipping dept or something at the time.

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Beta wheels have issues if they wouldn´t neither logitech, Fanatec or anyone would produce prototypes and let people use them and find errors that don´t exist. It costs money for sure and there is no return if there weren´t any issues.

if you actually read my original post... i clearly said that i did not expect the wheel to be trouble free. However, the problems that were originally experienced have increased ten-fold in the matter of a few months.

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It was a superb bonus you actually get to keep them for free not having to send them back. Also fair to let you buy the retail wheel for half the price. But really how can you judge the retail wheel from the beta is beyond me. Trust me you will never ever buy anything that is beta then if you go by that. Then you had no clue what it was you signed up upon.

I actually do have a clue as to what i signed up for, sorry to tell you. But I am sure not going to piss my money away on something that has some obvious durability issues... not to mention when the problems get worse with time. Even Thomas himself said that the problems shouldn't have gotten worse.

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Now I guess you have to pay full price to get it but that is just fair because of your lack of faith in Fanatec . They will get the people like me and others who has the retail wheel already and see that the centering issues are gone so you don´t need fanatec to send another freebie your way you had your chance and missed out on a great opportunity

Again, i never said that I expect something for free.. so you may want to try re-reading what i posted above. I simply said that I believe if Fanatec wants show that they stand behind their product and indeed issues have been fixed in the 'retail' version of this wheel... then they should have no issues with allowing someone to make sure of that... especially someone who was a community tester.... who are people who have taken the time to review their wheel in great detail and help them with marketing by publishing those reviews on many different web sites. I only think that is fair...
Send a wheel... if it holds up.. i'd buy it.. no questions asked. If i was not satisfied with it, i'd be sure to send it back and pay any shipping costs incurred... so i fail to see where you think i'm trying to get a freebie.

Quote :

Get the G25 if you preferred the feel of it for sure the wheel is quite identical minus the centering issues. Pedals are a lot better now and on par with the G25 in term of feel for sure. Durability is yet to see of course but the pedals don´t quirk or anything so hopefully they will hold up better. You should buy one just for seeing how much the pedals has improved and sell on ebay or something if you still preferr the G25.

In all honesty i would rather have a 911-wheel.... the shifter is great and even the beta pedals i found were a lot better than the G25's... at least in feel... maybe not in looks.... but that's besides the point. The slightly larger wheel diameter is a plus to me as well. I am not just some guy who bought a beta wheel off ebay who is coming here to complaing about it. I, along with many others, have tested the wheel out for Fanatec, written reviews, and given them countless amounts of publicity... I only think that it is fair that they would do everything they can to keep someone happy who has only helped them with their product's success in the long run.

Last edited by teedot, Sun 25 May 2008, 02:32.

+1 niels.

I would gladly take a new retail wheel from Fanatec, even if i had to pay for it as other testers have had to. However, they are going to have to prove to me that the issues that are apparent in the beta wheel are no longer in the retail wheel. In order to do that, they would have send me a retail wheel and allow me to use it for at least 30 days.... If it performed up to my satisfaction and did not have the issues apparent in the beta wheel, then I would have no problem paying the price originally agreed for community testers.

That may be asking a lot, but that is going to be what it takes to prove to me that this wheel is worth paying money for.

And you should catch me soon before i bite the bullet and go and get another G25... I was just about to do that today before someone pointed out that Thomas had replied...

Quote from Gabkicks :

heh. i think arrassador means if you bought the retail wheel, it is being shipped, not that he was sending a replacement for the beta.

Well... I would have purchased a retail wheel, but after the problems I experienced with the 'beta' wheel.... i decided not to. I'm not about to put money down the drain for this to just happen again...

If Fanatec sends me a replacement, top notch... shows that they take a genuine interest in what the community thinks of their products and that they stand behind their quality.

If Fanatec doesn't send me a replacement, thats fine too... This doesnt mean that they don't care about the people who are using their products... but it won't do anything to help my opinion on the wheel (which at this point is not very good).


So we shall see.... im not getting my hopes up.


Let's also not forget that I had to eat the cost of Duty and Taxes on this wheel before I could even test it because of a paperwork error.

Last edited by teedot, Sat 24 May 2008, 20:32.

Quote from ArrAssAdor :

the problems you describe all have the same root cause and are connected. But it surprises me that the problems got worse as there is no reason for that. The new wheel should arrive soon and then you should not have those problems anymore.

Thanks for your reply Thomas. I must say I do enjoy using the wheel when it works... but as of late these problems have just been frustrating me so much that I don't even want to play. Kudos to Fanatec if you are indeed going to send me a replacement wheel. That is really top notch!!

Quote from Gabkicks :

retail wheel or the beta wheel?

beta wheel.. but still... you would think it would last more than a couple of months with normal use... dont you think?

This thing had minor issues from day-one... but then it's like a chain reaction. First the wireless starts cutting in and out for no reason, it gets worse and worse as time goes on.... Then the force feedback started jerking the wheel lock-to-lock for no reason, essentially ripping it out of my hands and throwing my car into a wall or someone else, then the pedals started having wireless issues, cutting in and out... then finally one day I go to use them and they don't work.. yet the day before they were perfectly fine, yet still with their issues. Pedals would not work with/without batteries, plugged in, etc etc etc.

It's like this thing has a disease that's eating away at the electronics inside... lol.

I would still expect a Beta wheel to stand up to regular use... and certainly don't expect it to not have issues. But the fact that the problems kept multiplying.... i think it is fair to say what i have said. The wheel is cheaply made.. it may feel and look nice... but with results like this within just a couple of months of use... garbage IMO.

(which is where mine will be heading shortly, after i smash it with my sledgehammer )

very disappointed with this wheel... the pedals died for NO REASON after a month.... and it has constantly been having issues with the wireless. Cutting in and out for no reason. And no the USB dongle is NOT across the room... it is HALF a FOOT away.

Made in China... that explains it all. :thumbsdow

Back to Logitech products I go... nothing in the $150-$300 range can compete with or beat the G25, face it.

Last edited by teedot, Fri 16 May 2008, 05:01.

Try getting a connection like this before you even think about hosting servers:



or


when i dont have remote desktop open eating up bandwidth

Last edited by teedot, Thu 15 May 2008, 02:34.

Quote from Marco1 :

Mh. But i want something like a second connection list .
Thats all.

And the problem with the Officer#Marco <<chase>> [ABC] abcde it only shows the host name

SO PLEASE LFS PIMP MY INSIM !

PLEASE HELP ME

THE PPL WHO HELPED TO FIX MY PROBLEMS GET 100k CASH ON MY SERVER + A GTR

ONLY IF THE PROBLEM FIXED U CAN GET THE CASH AND THE CAR

LMFAO...

Quote from popps258 :

I have just opened multiplayer and saw a huge list of 500 servers
Guys what is this crap?
That is admin abuse, there is no need to have so many 500 servers
and the owner is using this a profiteering and also abusing his admin rights
Correct Frankie??
But i will bet you will delete this post
stop this admin abuse you are making a mockery of lfs a spoilng the game.
there are more servers than players

you might want to lay off the crack pipe a bit there ya doof

I'm going to be over in Europe in August so I think I would be able to make this. I would need a little time to confirm though, but I am definitly interested!

so i watched a few of the videos on the speedcarseries.com website....
the standard of racing looks kind of bad... half the drivers don't even look like the have control over the cars... then again, its probably the cars that are crap... but who knows...

The race that just happened yesterday... about half the field DNF...

It will be entertaining to watch all the wrecks though... but really, the series is quite the farce.

Last edited by teedot, Sun 6 Apr 2008, 22:39.

in my opinion, as crazy as it may sound to you guys..... lol

I believe that our existence and the existence of life on this planet has something to do with the existence of life elsewhere in the universe... or in some 'higher plane'. I mean, look at it this way... the universe is estimated to be 15-20 billion years old, however our Sun is only about 4.5 billion years old. There are an enormous amount of other stars and galaxies out there that are much, much older then ours.. many of which have planets and the like just like us.... I don't see how it's possible that we are alone in the universe... especially considering how young our solar system is... Think of the movie Men in Black... the cat had a charm on its collar that had a 'galaxy' inside of it. Hey.. you never know... i know this is quite askew from religion so to speak, but still.

Last edited by teedot, Sat 5 Apr 2008, 08:29.

Good luck to all the competitors

good luck with the event

If you want, I can set you up with a dedicated server that runs on the same machine as our other LFS servers. It will be USA based, but it is on a good network and you should get ok pings to it. Just using the actual Halfords Server is out of the question. but like i said, I can set you up with one. Let me know via PM (i get an email when i receive one)... i dont check the forums often.

Buy S2 if you want good racing, thats all there is to it. If you stay with demo... well, all the power to ya... but the arseholes that are blatantly apparent in the demo do not exist in S2. So, let me rephrase:

If you want GOOD, CLEAN and FAST racing, buy S2!

And just some friendly advice to the REST of the demo racers... you guys are damn lucky you have access to a demo! Especially with online capabilities and no time restrictions! This post is an example of a useful topic!

If you other demo racers out there cant make posts about anything other the "ZOMG I WANT THAT BODY KIT ON MY CAR!!! THE EXTRA 50LBS OF PLASTIC WILL GIVE ME SUPER SPEEEEED!!!" or "ZOMG I WANT A BIGGER TAILPIPE AND NEON DASH LIGHTS!".... stfu please!

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on s2 EVERYTIME at least a few ppl are on.
really EVERYTIME

Uhmm... try like 60-70 ppl at any given time...

Quote from mrminor28 :

your teammates changed everything ^.^

thats because we were not correctly informed of the situation, and also the fact that some of our members noticed that you, or someone affiliated with you, were acting like "god" on the server. Not something we condone...

Quote from SamH :

Please PM me the S2 licence name of the person whose account you used, thanks.

This is just pathetic and quite immature. Ok, cracking isn't allowed, but do you people have to make it be a PUBLIC WITCH HUNT every time?

I'm not condoning that guy's actions by using a cracked copy of LFS nor the way you guys handle it and allow a complete flame war to start. Completely absurd!

Quote from eXSsnl :

Actually, when I see a slower driver up ahead I say "Blue flag let me pass please :: Blue flag let me pass please" once or twice to prevent accidents. Also, when I'm faced with a blue flag I tend to get of the gas and go a bit more wide to let the faster driver pass, might not totally be according to the rules, but it's a nearly 100% guarantee that the faster driver can pass me without causing problems for one of us.

On the other hand, it might be because of the servers I drive on

I'll be sure to push to not let you past then. Maybe even push you closer to that barrier so you hit it.

Shut it fat boy!!!!!!

Ok... i've read thru this entire thread and I have quite a bit to say.

Firstly, a lot of you people are being extremely predjudice against Bryan... i find it absolutely absurd that you guys infer that he was trying to sell it to kids, he's a dealer, blah blah blah. You guys don't know anything more then what he has posted... so why go off on a stupid rant?

Anyways, Bryan, I can say that I have some experience with court and cops.. etc... mind you it was never for any drug-related charge. (I'm definitly not proud of it though, it was about 2 yrs of hell... im not going to go into it though). I will tell you from experience that cops here tend to overcharge everyone that they arrest (Especially the O.P.P.!!!) and just let the courts sort it out. Whatever you do, DO NOT ALLOW DUTY COUNSEL TO REPRESENT YOU! They dont give two shits about what the outcome of your court proceedings. (im talking from experience).

Im assuming this is your first "criminal" offense.... and you are under 18. In all honesty the worst that they are gonna do to you would be probation/alternative measures program. Neither of which result in you haveing a permanant criminal record. I can tell you that the laws surrounding marijunana use in Canada are pretty.... lax. Check out this site www.thepotlawhasfallen.ca (Written by a well known professor at the University of Toronto). That site contains some very valuable information which you might be able to apply to your court proceedings.

As for appearing in court, as many have said to you, be respectful, address the magistrate as "your worship" and show remorse. I'm sure you'll be fine.. especially considering your age. I can almost guarantee that none of the charges will stick.... if any do... it would be the simple possession (but even that's unlikely considering the amount you had on your person).

Bryan if you have any questions, feel free to PM me. I'll try to give you as much advice as i can if you'd like it.

Im definitly not proud of my past, but it gives me the drive to mentor youth who are facing the unfortunate situation of having to goto court.

Quote from Jakg :

Says who?

I remember reading it on the site too somewhere and Fanatec has also made numerous references to adding/improving features that "us" (beta-testers) suggest. Whoever ordered their wheels already will obviously miss out on the improvements/features if they decide to implement them.

Quote from Skills :

Nice review niels.

It makes me wonder though that if you think that Fanatec has created a G25 competitor after it fixes all the issues, at a $100 dollar premium over the G25, shouldn't it be crushing the competition, not just competing?


One minor nit pick, you mention that the wheel's engine cover is metallic, its actually plastic.

Pretty sure he meant it was metallic in nature... as in shiny plastic. :P

And i'm sure you realize that this isn't the final version of the wheel.