This is such a nerdy update. I love it!

Really nice work!

Welp, I surely couldn't do that for extended periods of time. Anyway, everything gets blurry when I cross my eyes so it doesn't look feasible for me :P Anyway, FPS does seem to have increased from what I can see so far.

I *might* be crazy, or perhaps this is the part where normal vision comes into play, but I don't see how this cross-eyed 3D thing is supposed to work. How are people to separate where their eyes look?

Y'all can say whatever you want, but at the end of the day this decision is entirely up to Scavier. It's their product, and it's closed-source.

Are you lot on the whole "lulz u hasnt even driven leik 3 million miles you nub, stop complaining" thing again?

Major releases would pretty much qualify as miracles in my book, so I stand by my point!

I think it's a bit pointless, especially by now, to rabble on about Scavier's care for the community, or lack thereof. Nothing the community has ever said has changed the work ethics of Scavier. Simply put, Scavier works in mysterious ways .

Pointing fingers isn't going to get this thing off the ground either. Perhaps "up from the bottom of the barrel" would be more fitting. It's been said very often that this thing was going downhill, and I really get the feeling that nothing short of a miracle will save this project.

Quote from Macfox :

Eric's status is pretty much unknown and always has been. It was really never an issue, until content development stalled the the current stuff just got stale. The resulting focus on him unfortunately boiled over ( a couple of times) and words were exchanged (all deleted now) and players banned. It's created a perception of him , that is probably quite wrong, given his limited interaction with the community/players. It would be hard to accept Scawen and Victor working in such a team if Eric it it were true.

That said Scawen as the defecto representative hasn't really spoken on the topic. Only vaguely. I think many will understand his reluctance to speak for Eric, but there does appear to be some issue/problem that is withholding various content releases that are independent of the tyre physics. It's a real mystery and it's a big negative of LFS progressing.

That's been the foremost issue about the development of LFS, in my opinion. Tire changes are probably more important than Eric's work, but they also are very specialized. It was pretty much expected from the start that tire physics is a very complicated subject which could get out of hand easily, as has happened. Graphical updates and improvement, though? Not so much. In theory, there's nothing stopping that work from being released. For instance, car interiors were in the process of being updated, with a few cars already in the game, when it pretty much stopped. There might have been a few posts from Eric since then, or some posts from Scawen/Victor mention him/his work, but nothing tangible has surfaced. For all we know, Eric might have stopped working on LFS years ago (and my guess is that he has indeed stopped).

In itself that isn't an issue, as Eric is probably more replaceable than Scawen, who knows all the code. That said, I do not believe we'll see the day that more of Eric's work will be released, or that he will be replaced. At this point, I'm highly skeptical of tire physics being ever released, and that's the stuff we have heard about for the past few years. The rest? Ghost development? Feel free to prove me wrong, Scavier.

Quote from JSHuiting :

It's like going to a car dealer and calling their brand dead, just because you haven't seen any of their cars for while. No?

The fact that people who haven't played in years still visit these forums and sometimes even bother posting is a great indication that they are disappointed so much potential is wasted. It would be much more alarming if we did not see these people from time to time.

The car dealer analogy is good, but the question is: why would this person even bother visiting the dealer in the first place? Probably because they owned this brand of car before, and are sad to see it go to waste.

Quote from bishtop :

my point is too get your moneys worth and then say you gave lfs a chance is by actually racing, someone that is going to moan about it without even trying it is someone that as soon as s3 was released would then soon enough start all the moaning again.

it needs to be asked where does a particular person base there opinions from, if you go on cargame server from what ive experienced its always jam packed with many racers and then theres other servers with racers on, so to me there are plenty still playing lfs but probably not as widespread over as many servers

Sure, people bought a product with absolutely no warranty of further development. Perhaps I should express myself in a different way: I'm not saying that anyone is entitled to moan or complain. Nobody here is entitled to anything more than what the game was when they bought it. However, my point is that, as previous users of the game, people are in their right to complain. This should be the case regardless of how much a person has played the game, or for how long.

Whenever someone is shunned when asking for a status update, or even if the person complains that the game is dead, a great disservice is done to the game. The simple fact that these people actively bothered posting on these forums is indication enough that they care about LFS.

Quote from bishtop :

it shows that hes not even really played lfs that much so probably gave up on it before all the s3 hype. i joined many years after him(2010) and have done 85495 laps,which means ive had more use out of lfs.

if s3 come out whats the chance after a few months he would start with the moaning about it being dead again

i see quite a few new racers daily(demo) and new licensed racers every so often.i only found lfs by chance and think of how many that would play lfs if they knew of it.also as silly as it may sound you would be suprised of how many have not even been to the forums that have played for a while.

Oh, I see. It's this old argument again: "You've not raced as much as X so you've got no right to complain". Or, "You've not raced every car around every track in both directions at least once so you've got no right to complain".

You don't need to have raced a million miles to argue that LFS has been almost stagnant for a very long time now.

Quote from Gutholz :

This is interessting. You are registered since 2003 and on LFSW you have driven 7573 Ml.
I know a friend registered 2012 and in one year drove twice than you in several years. Isnt it strange that during "the end area of LFS" people play more than you did during the "high point"?

How is this relevant in any way to what Macfox is saying? The fact he has driven x distance is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that the prime of LFS has past.

Alright then.

Quote from Mountaindewzilla :

I don't think that extrapolating from recent years is fair to Scawen and Eric. If you look at LFS's history, it becomes clear that Scawen is very capable, and can produce excellent stuff in a reasonable amount of time.

Not quite sure about that bit.

Quote from Mountaindewzilla :

Eric's work is subject to the limitations of LFS. Would you want to publish your shiny new assets in an old looking game to make a bunch if ingrates happy for a couple of days?
I certainly wouldn't.

The shiny new assets that we were never shown? Ah, yes.

Why am I even here. *sigh*

Quote from Scawen :

You'll have to search for my past posts, otherwise I'll spend a long time repeating myself!

You should sticky and lock an announcement about that! (whatever you said last)

Quote from NovaK :

It would be cool if someone made a thread to study how people of this community stands to LFS today. Where the people sign up and provide necessary information in a Poll. And can be presented in a diagram/dialog, where you will be able to see (for an example): how many that still trust and belive in LFS, or has thought about of moving to another racing game equivalent to LFS (released or not), or have stopped entirely with LFS due to lacking of updates and promises that just has been putted on hold..

With this the developers can easily see statistics of how the community stands. And hopefully something good will come out from it. It is optional of what questions or information you wish to add into this, i just brought up an example.

How would you make that to be reliable, though? By definition, people that come on this forum will be more inclined to stick to LFS because we know that they at least have the will to seek information about LFS' development. Some people will never have been and never will be on the forums, their opinion would not be counted in a forum thread. Also, some people have been on the forums previously, but will not come back, causing their opinion to be left out as well (though I guess that you could look at forum users with a certain number of posts who haven't logged in for a long time). If you made a forum poll, I think it would show a positive opinion about LFS' development, possibly even in an overwhelming manner, which might not reflect the player pool as a whole.

Quote from Intrepid :

No one else seeing the hypocrisy here?

You're having a go at someone for keeping faith in something. This is a mirror image of your own behaviour. Your belief is that LFS is failing and seem quite keen to impose your un-questioned beliefs on everyone else. You are an 'LFS is failing' fanboy!

And wait just one goddammmm second here. Exactly what is wrong with being enthusiastic about LFS and being a 'fanboy'? It's the LFS forum ffs... you know... where fans of LFS come to chat???

I really feel for the developers sometimes!

Far from me the idea of making dangerous comparisons, but the burden of proof falls on the side of those trying to prove something exists. Right now, if you want to be super optimistic that S3 content exists, you have nothing to support the claim other than the few screenshots provided. We know that the Scirocco exists, same for Rockingham. We also know that the tyre physics engine is in the works, but how close exactly that is to completion is anyone's guess. This is basically all that is known in term of major progress, and with the exception of tyre physics in the works, these things have been done a while ago.

Thus, there is no evidence other than the little we know about the tyre physics that anything at all has been done for a very long time, especially on Eric's part, which definitely adds weight to the "LFS is failing" argument. That said, feel free to believe the messiah Scawen's word!

Also, people who still come here despite all this, even if it is to show doubt, probably have some hope left in them that the potential for a great game is still there. They are just saddened by the fact that such potential has been wasted recently.

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Well now, I come here rarely and right when I do, I see this. Not a lot of information, but it would seem to make things more official.

Honestly, I really believe that whenever the tyre physics model will be done and implemented into the game, it will be not only good, but probably also closer to reality than anything else seen in video games so far. Of course, I only base this on pieces of information released by Scawen over the ... years, but from what I can tell, and from we know of Scawen, the quality of this work will be incredible. I still believe that this is something that no man should undertake alone, though. This is taking a lot of time to complete, but that's only to be expected when a very perfectionist man undertakes such a complicated project.

Too late? Oh, yes, definitely, but it's really been pretty clear for years now that this is not a video game, and that it shouldn't bear the usual time limitations and expectations. It's a man's perfectionist and unconventional vision. Scawen doesn't care if this is slow, he only cares about it being just as he wants it. Now, if only there was someone else working on this, improving the game in other ways (read visually) while Scawen translates physics into the game...

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Technically LFS 1.0 should be the proper release of S3. When that actually happens is anyone's guess, as Scavier themselves probably aren't sure what exactly is going to be in that release.

What is certain, howver, is that not all features that Scavier wants to include are in the game as of now.

If by San Francisco style street you mean the hill type ones, I wouldn't like to see those used, for the sake of realism.

Quote from nesrulz :

Nice catch! Indeed, they're on a Z30 server

Pre-test patch testing

Quote from pärtan :

Well, I do remember someone or someones saying that one of the reasons the Nordschleife couldn't be added was because the LFS rendering engine couldn't support it (or something like that). The financial issue I think the community would pay back for to be quite honest. There is a topic in the improvement suggestions category with a poll. There is number there of how many people who would be willing to pay for a license with the Nordschleife. I'm not trying to rush things here though Right now it's more important to release the test patch, Scirocco, Rockingham and the new tyre physics.

Edit: Hmm, only 60 people voted for that in the Nordschleife poll though :/

Personally I'd be willing to put in a few bucks to get the Nordschleife. There might have been engine limitations, but I don't recall hearing about them. Besides, the old reason why open tracks "weren't possible" was also because of "engine limitations", but it turns out that it's actually "engine limitation until Scawen gets to it". In theory, I guess it is possible (we have the technology).

The Nordschleife would be a tremendous undertaking, though. To give it the same process that Rockingham got, with the precision rendering laser thingy would probably be not a lone man's job.

Quote from pärtan :

Also Scawen, just out of curiosity. Will this new way of handling tracks add the possibility for a Nordschleife or any other type of venue that was impossible before, any time in the future?

While we don't even know if there were any talks to get real circuits other than Rockingham in LFS, I doubt there were many, and that was mainly for licensing reasons. Well known places like the Nordschleife hardly need the promotion, so they would see it as potential financial gain, aka make Scavier pay for the track.

Other less known places might want the promotion, though (wink wink Mont Tremblant, Scawen :tilt

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

The roles of society have been defined for hundreds of years, and you come in here and try to say that society has been wrong?

Are you saying that everything done in a society is necessarily right because it is done by a majority?

This indeed isn't the place, but my rationality alarm just went mad. Sorry.

Feminists are the overkill counter balance, tipping a scale of equality that sometimes wouldn't need any more balancing. The step ahead is men's right groups, again counter balancing with too much force. The problem is that you can't put all men into one side of the balance, and all women on the other. People just don't work that way. Saying all women should stay in the kitchen is as ridiculous as saying all men should hold position of power.

Also, pretending someone's job is well done or badly done solely based on their gender is stupid, and missing the point.

Quote from cargame.nl :

Hahaha what the hell do you know about woman or life in general?

Daddy Victor won't be happy.

No need for Bing, the LFS profile works very well (and is actually showing 19).

Wa... why... why is Tweaker posting...

Oh wait, 6 years bump.