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Hoellsen
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Not until we finalized all talks.
Hoellsen
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Way back when we started, Tweak designed a logo without us even knowing. He gave it to us for use back then and we didn't even think of a possible situation like we have today. Won't happen again.
Hoellsen
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This will be put to a real test with the 24h of Aston coming up. Great job, vic.
Hoellsen
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Quote :Why would slicks help overtaking? Surely they'd increase corner speeds, and therefore reliance on aero

Slicks could improve mechanical grip and therefore _lessen_ aero reliance.

Overall, the whole slick argument is kinda weak, though, grip has never been higher than during tire wear times. A slick tire coming from Bridgestone would for sure not generate more grip, but about the same by choosing a different compound. Otherwise the FIA would cry "safety, safety" again.

The only argument pro slicks is looks.
Hoellsen
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Maybe the folks that put it on the dyno should have pushed the "M" button...
Hoellsen
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Quote :I don't know why people are suggesting selling a car that goes 155mph (ulimited @ 200+ mph). It is a fast car. If you own a car faster than it already, yeah maybe you'd sell it... but hell, with the basic car I have now, I'd regret selling that thing.

For one it could have to do with the age...Danny is not 18 yet so he can't obtain a driver's license. Then there is the running cost (not only taxes and insurance, but also 1.38 EUR for each litre [not gallon] of gas is quite a bit) and last but not least, personally I doubt a 507hp car is the right car for a beginner.

Of course you could always put the car in storage for a while.

In the end, it's for Danny to decide, though, and he can do whatever he wants with it.
Hoellsen
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Quote from bhs :Wow! I didn't even know SK had reached into LFS! I remember back in the early early Counter-Strike days seeing SK. The SK that was just a really good CS 5-man. I can't believe it has grown so much. I'd love to hear more about it if you've got any time for chatting.

Well, SK was a really good QW-clan in the first place and took it from there. Online gaming did not start with CS, it just profited from it.
Hoellsen
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Well done, Danny.

Quote :Who would have thought 15 years ago that playing a game you can win $ 90 000 (?!) car...

10 years ago John Carmack of id Software gave away his Ferrari 328 in a Quake Tournament.
Hoellsen
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Quote :Honestly if I wanted a catch up/balancing option so that each car in each class would be doing the exact laptimes

Rest assured that is not what is intended. Be aware that in GPL you have 7 different cars, iirc, which are over the board somewhat close. Of course the Cooper can't really stand up to the Lotus, but the Eagle and Ferrari are much closer to the Lotus than the Cooper or BRM. Also, in GPL you can make use of car characteristics on different tracks. Lotus vs. Eagle on Monza or Spa is a close match, in Monaco that is a different story. There you would maybe choose the Brabham.

Now, in LFS we have a totally different situation. In TBO and GTR one car is dominating on each track AND there is only three cars in the classes. So the variation is much less than in GPL.

A perfect situation imho would be if the three different cars in a class would be balanced in a way that there is a decent medium car which can compete on most tracks, but does not dominate and the two other cars are better on tracks suiting their characteristics. So you could look at a championship's schedule, decide which tracks are your strength and which car you can drive the best and make your choice accordingly instead of being forced to choose the one dominant car.

Also, with the massive difference between the cars and the little choice, league administrators cannot assign cars to different strength drivers as in GPL since there is too little variation. Balancing is needed. It would be good for the game as long as it will not lead to spec racing, which I am sure it will not.
Hoellsen
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Maybe at that time this issue was handled differently. Besides, from the info in this thread, I don't see where Porsche was threatened with a lawsuit? Also, Porsche could have chosen to use a different name voluntarily in order to avoid confusions.

With just one line of info it is hard to really judge anything. Smile
Hoellsen
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908 is first of all a number. Numbers themselves normally cannot be registered as a trademark since they are too general and too little describing. They can only be registered as a logo-trademark where the logo is the part that makes identifying the trademark possible. Therefore, both companies most probably can (and have) register a logo with a 908, but they cannot just register the number itself.

They could register "Porsche 908" or "Peugeot 908" as a whole since in that combination the number servers to identify a specific item (in this case a car).
Hoellsen
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There have been guys run over in F1 in the pits as well. Motorsports are dangerous, for anyone involved. If everything fails, that is true even for the spectators.
Hoellsen
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Ah, I got something mixed up there, sorry. The weight was increased by 25kg for all cars back in 2006.

On the fly, I only found this reference: http://www.ten-tenths.com/foru ... p=1474944&postcount=3

However, the folks over there are pretty reliable. Smile
Hoellsen
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Quote :of course they do ranging from thinner tyres than lmps to a lot of other stuff

Not anymore. Since last year, both GTP and LMP can run the same size of tires. Additionally, GTPs get a weight bonus (iirc 25kg) in order to compensate for the air conditioning system, which costs weight AND power. A closed top car is also more aerodynamically efficient meaning better topspeed while running the same amount of downforce. That is quite a big factor at an ultra fast track like Le Sarthe. On short twisty tracks you can generate a bit more downforce with an open top car, but the Pug was developed for Le Mans. However, this all has nothing to do with the 2010 regulations which have not been drafted yet.

Regarding the sound: the Audi is substantially more silent since Audi uses it for promoting Diesels in the US where people still think a Diesel is loud and dirty, which is, as the Audi proves, far from the truth. The Pug, by design, can't have the snorkling sound of the 905 since it is a turbo engine in contrast to the 905's n/a 3.5l engine.
Hoellsen
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Quote :If anyone does write an article about LFS, I seriously suggest using pics from Don's slowmo vids. Especially the one where you can see the tire deformations.

There have been articles about the content of LFS. What I feel is more necessary is not any more stuff about the content of the sim, but by covering community activities. That includes things like STCC (there, I said it, and I didn't mean it in a bay way ) servers and most of all reports about the various leagues going on (OWRL, ESL, STCC, MoE and what else we all have). ASS is not read by folks who aren't involved in simracing yet but by simmers. Simmers mostly (except the ignorant few) know what the sims are about, even the ones they don't drive. They know their content. What they don't know is how they can exploit the content, meaning what activities and entities are available to them. This is what sparks more interest in a sim and this is what keeps folks IN the sim.

Of course the league organizers could provide the content, but quite frankly, they do quite a bit of work "just" by providing the league they run. Coverage of that league should be done by others, which is btw also a problem even for a LFS-"internal" page such as LFS News. We, as the LFS community, are lacking folks who do not only want to consume but also want to contribute. That is what unfortunately sets us apart from the other sim communities and is responsible for having too little coverage of what we do.
Hoellsen
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What happened to the car originally that you "only" have the parts left that were given to you? Do you know any of that?
Hoellsen
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Quote :Rather than get on board, Masters of Endurance it seems have taken the opportunity to directly attack the STCC in a very public way by somebody who I gather is a significant person in their organisation.

While I am the significant person you are referring to, please do note that (i) this is not done on behalf of MoE or anything else I am or was involved in and (ii) more importantly this is not thought as an attack on STCC as an organization or as an attack on its general system. It is questioning the methods STCC is using to get into the limelight.

Besides, "not getting on board" is quite a bold statement seeing that we are being promoted by non-LFS and actually non-simracing sites and services without using questionable "promotion" activities.

I think I got my point across, and if not: there are other leagues out there that do as good a job and promoted as wide, if not wider (let's remember the Racing Challenge which was sponsored by Fujitsu-Siemens) which did not need to "represent" themselves in the way STCC seems to think it does. Yet they were as positive, if not more, to the general aim of promoting LFS.
Hoellsen
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Quote from Becky Rose : ...was in response to Sam's post about a growing resentment of the publicity of the STCC - your post confirms that, my post is why

Ever thought why? And I know I pulled the thread back up, hardly possible to discuss something without that.

Quote from Linsen :hen rephrasing the rest of the post to turn it around as an allegation against the original poster? Ever heard of the term "BILD-Zeitungs-Methoden"?

Pls refrain from implying that I rephrased anything. I did nothing but copypaste (with a bit of cutting without changing the words) and writing my opinion.

Quote from Christofire :The other side is that if you've done something great, why not tell people about it? You say you've got alternative starts - where's your server doing them? It sounds good to me, so where do I go?

I don't know anything about other leagues as I have irregular work days and huge amounts of travel so I can't commit to participating. How would I know about your acheivements if you didn't say something about them?

EDIT: After reading this I sound confrontational - that's not the intention. I would genuinely like to know what your thoughts are.

Well, see, that is the whole point of it: Other leagues keep their info to where it is supposed to be: in the Leages & Events Board. Which is where this stuff belongs, because even those tiered servers are event like servers if you really take a look at it. And since it is not kept there, other leagues do not get the attention their deserve and that is only because they play by the rules. I mean yes, we could tell everyone here in the General Discussion board that in the ESL and MoE you have live streaming, very different methods of racing, a live tracker during the race in MoE, a starter tool for flying starts in the MoE, that we had a peak of 472 people watching LIVE during the 24h of Aston, 10gigs of traffic with the tracker and a couple of millions page impressions. But we don't. We know there are other leagues out there that work just as hard as we do, maybe even harder. We respect that by keeping to where we are supposed to be because playing by the rules gives everyone the same chance.

And pls don't worry about sound confrontional, I am sounding that way (intentionally), so why should I be pissed at people getting back to me in the same tone?

Quote from SamH :I'm all for promoting other leagues. I'm all for other leagues promoting themselves. Leagues SHOULD be promoting themselves, and this is why I'm frustrated.. because they CAN do, and they DON'T. The userbar is just an example, and yet to my knowledge not a single other league has taken up the offer from Victor. I've offered free graphic hosting, and I've offered graphics and technical support to get it up and running.. and not ONE response. THAT'S NOT MY FAULT!

You know, I actually do like the idea of the userbar in general. Creating userbars like "spectator" is off the chart, though. Also: how can leagues promote themselves if one of the leagues does not play by the rules? Other leagues, as they are supposed to, that is why we have the special section, keep to the leagues section. Personally, I remember being bitched at for doing one (1!) announcement post when we initially started MoE back in September 2005 in the General Discussion board. It even was by an administrator. So yes, if I take that in mind, it is sour grapes I am posting now. But it really is not, it is simply that I know there are other leagues who deserve the same attention and they aren't getting it just because they are sticking where they are supposed to be.


Quote from SamH : The STCC league itself - and this IS off-topic - is SPECIFICALLY designed to promote LFS to non-LFSers. The league is DESIGNED to provide the media content, which is then used to create a broadcast video once every month, promoting awareness of sim-racing in the LFS racing simulator. So please.. understand that it IS going to be visible, BY DESIGN, and it IS going to do its best to get noticed, and it IS going to make EVERY effort to promote awareness of itself to, not JUST you but, ANYONE. EVERYONE. This is how it promotes LFS.

If you are promoting to non-LFSers, why are you promoting it in the General LFS Discussion board? If you want to promote to non-LFSers, you need to go different ways. Check ESL, if you want to know how. It's been done before, it is being done at this time right now and it will be done in the future. Without not playing by the rules and I care to say probably quite a bit more successfully. And that is just judging by the numbers of folks participating. If I also mentioned the off-line finale events that have been held numerous times, the live-on-German-TV-on Saturday-Prime-Time and the intel connection, I would be boasting, so I won't.

So please don't tell me you are promoting LFS to non-LFS customers by posting in a specifically-LFS-forum in the wrong section for it.
Hoellsen
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Quote :It's our constant drive to do new things and go the extra mile. There are some other leagues that are doing a great job. Recently on the STCC's Drivers Representative Board we talked about writting software to handle a new starting procedure - this kind of thing is second nature in STCC ... just because our wants where not supported in LFS doesnt mean we wont make LFS do it...

Becky, I am sure you guys do a nice job running STCC, but:

Could you stop bragging and boasting everywhere and at all times what you all do for the first time and how great it is? And especially stop doing it in the general forum, when that is actually not the place for league stuff?

There are quite a few folks doing league work and they are all working their butts off. There are also quite a few folks that have been doing so since 2003, have been doing so very successfully, have introduced new concepts to league racing in general, have been doing live streaming since 2003, have introduced start procedures other than the regular standing starts in LFS, have introduced code to do that in an automated manner and besides live streaming have been live on real TV with their projects.

Yet, these folks don't feel the need to scream about it at every minute of the day in that "we are the first and best" attitude despite the fact those falks actually are and in a lot of respects you are not.

So please, how about you show those folks a little respect just by actually taking a step back in the boasting, will you?
Hoellsen
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Why are you all getting all worked up about public races anyways? They usually last 5-10 laps, which is not really racing, tbh, so just race the next race and forget about it. Will do wonders to your blood pressure.
Hoellsen
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Quote :Back in the 90s it was still possible to get a useless car to the front of the grid (Damon Hill, Arrows) At least we may be heading back that way.

2003 Fisichella won a race in a bloody Jordan. It is still possible to win in a backmarker car, if the conditions are right.
Hoellsen
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Okay, guys, let's drop the "I can get it for free elsewhere" crap. There is a lot of virtual racing series that charge money in some form for participation, even in LFS. Normally, and that is pretty much a fact, they actually provide very nice quality services.

Let's approach the issue from a side where money does not play a role: can R2P provide the LFS with a new racing series that is worth participating in? Right now, that is not the case and Tim has answered the questions why that is. If they, at one point, do decide to provide us a LFS racing series, we can still think about the question "should I take my racing there?" That, however, is much less a question of money than of quality.

Do they have a good series concept?
What is their organizational standard?
How high is the standard of driving?
What quality drivers drive there?

Only if these questions are answered in a way that you can be satisfied with it, you should ask "do I want to spend money for that?"
Hoellsen
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Tim: okay, then the replays in ISI sims must handle the results differently than the games themselves. I only noticed that when someone leaves the server before the event is done, they drop out of the ingame results list.
Hoellsen
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If it is just about exporting the results out of a replay, you do not need to run the replay.

http://www.esl.eu/de/pro-serie ... rerwertung/match/4364802/

This is done by a replay-parsing. There is one flaw in it: drivers that disconnect during a race are not shown in the results. But to my knowledge, that is the same in all ISI-based games.
Hoellsen
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Quote :but the only real problem (and the sole reason LFS is not currently supported) is the lack of a suitable race result export.

Is it not rather lack of effort? There are enough tools out there that let's you get all the info directly out of the replay as of right now. Additionally, with Insim and Outgage, there is probably more available to anyone actually willing to put in some effort and is not blinded by the supposed easiness of ISI-engine games. The only two sims able to put out just about as much info are NR2003 and GPL and I doubt you could get a live ticker and all that as easily to work even in those.
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