First time I hear of a "track parade". No doubt they do proper lapping events with passing and no speed limit, but you probably have to go with a club or some such.

Over here at Pacific Raceways I've only gone with clubs (some allow you to go even if you're not a member) and never heard of a speed limit or no passing event. Well, no passing under yellow flag, but that's different. Typically advanced groups rip down the main straight at over 150 mph.

Quote from amp88 :

lots of trees to hit though!

Yeah, as far as run-off goes, there's barely any - it's either trees or slopes, neither is good, not a lot of room for error, but I guess it heightens the experience.

Second one this summer. It was all well until brake rotors started to overheat on the downhill turns and developed a good deal of hot spots. But it was still good. Was running with novice group, because the car isn't too fast (MX-3 V6 2.5L, 160 whp at best), but I reworked the suspension with urethane bushings and that was a pretty solid improvement.

Been riding with instructors, getting some pointers, and it's helping. Managed to shave off 6 seconds off my usual lap times, but then got kind of stuck in traffic, and ended up chasing novice Corvettes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnoOUFUKcZA

And today I played some LFS, and was a lot smoother.

Quote from Dopey :

All I can say is that I have become more active in the past 4 months and I get so very disappointed in LFS. I achieved what I lacked from my 2 year lapse. Now I find myself clicking the bookmark for this forum everyday to find myself disappointed. So much hype over a car that resembles the XRT in so many ways yet no one drives.. leads me to think that beyond the other filler's among this patch that the new car itself will deem less glorified. If the dev's held a marketing course I would be one of the first to dign up. They all know how to enduce hype and create a market place that myself among others sit and wait for this car and updates that most will endorse and some will slander. Natural scheme of things but the dev's have played this by the handbook. With 60+ pages of spectation, I don't know who else could create such marketing and valor. Cheers.

Well, the "hype" is only here, within an already existing fan base. It's not really marketing, it's preaching to the choir. In the global gaming world there's still zero hype about this upcoming update, or LFS in general, for that matter.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

If someone says "early in the day", assuming a day starts at 7am and ends at 10pm, if someone came to my door at 9.30pm and said "hey I'm here to fix your boiler" I'd stab him with a screwdriver. Early, in this case, would be before, say... 11am.

Early would be Q1 2009, which is, IIRC, Jan-march..

"Early next year" usually means "sometime in the future". In game development timelines are vague, and even official deadlines for paying publishers are approximate at best.

No point speculating.

Quote from Zen321 :

No, a lot of Arcade physics mods would pop up, which is WRONG !

I doubt it. People who want arcade physics wouldn't bother modding for LFS in the first place. But even if they do, let them. Nobody's forcing you to play their mods.

Quote from AcesHigh :

as a sidenote i can say i do beleive in making mods "allowed" to LFS as long as they are based on the ingame cars. I.E XRT with a bodykit, a wing, or no wing, or with scoops.. you know!?

Body kits? Wat? I'm talking about mods to the game, not cars. You know, like how CounterStrike is a HL mod. Maybe making a hillclimb rally mod, or something of that sort.

Quote from BlackEye :

Yes, but everything that updates the core is available for S1, S2, S3 and demo too, not just S3 exclusive .
So at the end of the day, cars and tracks are what is different among S1, S2 and S3.

I guess you can never release dev tools to the public, then, else people would port all the cars and tracks into all the versions, and/or just make a million new ones, which would eliminate the appeal of upgrading.

I think S3 should have something more substantial than just a few new cars and tracks to set it apart. Perhaps weather effects and night driving could be limited to S3 only.

Because I'd really like to have some kind of SDK available, so people can finally make their own content. Unless of course the tools and mods are only made to work with S3. Though someone will hack that no doubt.

Quote from BlackEye :

As for tracks and cars add-ons.
If they release more tracks and cars now, what the hell they would offer for S3? Cookies?

Updates to the core tech - graphics, physics, weather effects, etc. And hopefully some proper development tools.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

As someone who lives not to far from PR, and who attends tons of races there, I would kill to have this track in the game. Ever since that laser scanned track for rFactor came out the wheels in my head have been spinning.

I agree, it'd be tight to have it in LFS. But mainly because I'd be able to practice in the game before going to the real thing.

Mazda MX-3 GS

I've actually used a tweaked version of the FXO in LFS to figure out a good setup for my car.

At first it didn't rain, but then it did. Was still awesome, though kind of scary. I haven't tracked in the rain before. Also, when in the rain, sticking the hand out the window to wave people by was a lot like dipping your hand in water - instant soakage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYSgymfftMk&fmt=18

Right on.

Yeah, I guess if your brakes had a hard time at BMP, they'll probably melt at PR.

Oh, there are people around here who play LFS, that's for sure. The MR2 Turbo guy, who is a passenger in the vid, also plays LFS. I got him into it. We try to spread the word whenever we can.

I doubt you know me, but you may have seen me. I've attended only one autocross session about a year ago, when I first got the MX-3. With BSCC, I think. Are you the skinny guy who races the GMC Syclone, then?

I don't do autocross anymore, the wait in line is just not worth it, but I do lapping days. Mostly at Pacific Raceways. Will probably come to Bremerton as well, though.

So if you see either of these cars, then you've spotted another LFS player.

Camaro? Lol no.

Mazda MX-3 GS ZE.

Went to the IRDC track day on Sunday. It was pretty awesome, and I got to test out my new suspension setup.

Bremerton raceway is basically the old unused runway at the Bremerton Airport. The track is set up with cones or tires, like autocross. Only it's bigger, faster, and has a main straight. Pretty good for testing and tweaking the car and getting some practice in before going to Pacific Raceways. It's a lot safer, too. It's flat and wide. There's nothing around but grass. Only things people hit are cones. Those cones, they bounce around when hit, and they rarely get reset, which adds variety, since if someone hits a cone or two, next time you're coming around the track the layout is different, heh. At some point they got so scattered that I couldn't figure out where to go... Kind of make your own course type deal.

So it was really fun.

Here's a crappy compressed vid from inside my car. The track surface was rough, so there's a lot of camera shake. Just a few laps. Enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCxcnVyCXdg

Haha, this thread is lol.

Drift hater comes in with preconceived notions.

Drift hater: PLZ explain what's so good about drifting?

For several pages people explain.

Drift hater ignores.

Drift hater: PLZ explain what's so good about drifting?

Anyway, sometimes drifting is a faster way around a turn than grip. Keiichi Tsuchiya (Drift King) has shown it to be true in touge races. So it's not just an exhibition technique.

Quote from JTbo :

You practise in Malaysia?

No, Pacific Raceways.

Quote from DieKolkrabe :

My vote goes to Pacific Raceways, simply because it's so technical and demanding.

DK

Wow, I can't believe someone actually suggested this. That is of course if you mean THE Pacific Raceways in WA state. I've driven that track and wouldn't mind seeing it in the game, but I imagine it'll be a mess, thanks to its technical nature and rough elevation changes at hairpins.

Personally, for some reason I want to see Sepang in the game. Although it probably won't happen, because it's a major track and would cost a lot to license.

I bet ten bucks there won't be a next update.

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

LFS is more an excercise in maths

Even though it's spelled "exercise", that is still probably the most accurate description of the game to date.

Hmm, interesting guide, but doesn't seem very effective. LFS looks dated and no amount of mascara is going to change that. The only thing that will help is a major update to the graphics engine. Mainly lighting.

It strikes me as odd that people who enjoy driving sims in particular wouldn't want to take a real car out on a real track for some laps. Not racing, mind you, but just for some laps, for the experience of driving in a manner similar to a sim. They say "no" now, but I bet if they had the opportunity, they'd do it.

Quote from The Very End :

I use both hands :P
Well, I am not sure if I understanded completely what you meant, but you mean what hand you are holding on the wheel when you are racing?

I think he's talking about which side of the car you drive on. Left (like in UK) or right (like in US).

Quote from JTbo :

Gasoline cars without catalytic converter can range for example from 17:1 to 11:1 (some carbed rubbish go even richer), depends from throttle position (in sense of engine load, how you use engine).

Gasoline engines with catalytic converter don't like rich mixture, but in short term usage, like in warmup phase they do run richer and if you are cruising they can use leaner mixture, some japanese manufacturers have made engines that can run leaner mixture than stoich even when you accelerate, direct injection is particularly handy in this kind of engines.

I would say that what you say is rather wrong or at least you did express it bit unclear manner

Yeah, but when the only change is addition of turbo, your mixture will stay the same as that without a turbo, so I don't see how turbo would give you better gas mileage at cruise.

Turbo does give you better gas mileage when compared to NA motor of the same horsepower, because when you're not spooling, you're taking advantage of the smaller displacement.