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ajp71
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Quote from Psysim :
Did you know that voting is another way for the government to keep track of your location? Its another way to clamp down on your freedom. No part of voting promotes the freedom that this country is supposed to represent. When there is something worth voting for I shall vote. A local neighbor works the local polling station, he insists on seeing who you vote for before you post the slip, what happened to my right to a private vote?

What is the issue with the government finding out where you are? So long as you play the system then you've got nothing to hide can have your voice heard and have a lot of other benefits that you are entitled to. Really you are the illegal alien not your neighbours of different nationalities and skin colours.
ajp71
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Of course ethanol mixes is complete bullshit, as is bio-diesel and KERS. None of them in any way make motorsport 'green' and have a very limited effect on the environment in road cars, some may be detrimental. What they do do though is keep green people happy and make motorsport soically acceptable. I'm not quite sure what I'm 'out of my depth' on, are you an expert in motorsport product placement? Because it seems to me your making exactly the same point.
ajp71
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Quote from Shotglass :depends on the track i guess but most cars ive driven require double clutching to get down to first quickly

If you use a road ratios (or sensible ratios for a standing start) you will never use first on a track.
ajp71
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Quote from ACCAkut :are there any result tables somewhere? Would like to know which cars won/competed

There is limited information available atm, the full results are on the Britcar website, but no other news. Obviously a lot of people are taking some time off to recuperate and probably aren't going to having racing first thing on the agenda for a few days (still not heard back from my former boss).

The main topic of discussion on the internet over the race is of the very serious accident that happened before the first corner. The pole sitting Mosler span accelerating across the line and as a result Andy Neate's TVR lost control hit the outside wall very hard before being thrown back into the traffic and was t-boned at high speed by a Ginetta. He was airlifted from the scene and is currently in critical condition.
ajp71
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Quote from P5YcHoM4N :Hows this, where I live there are job places that only advertise in Polish, the banks had to translate all of their signs into Polish, the Police, Fire and Ambulance services are all learning Polish and for the ultimate kick in the teeth a lot of the Polish shops had signs that said "No British Customers" they were forced to remove them, but they still refuse to serve British customers.

I've never heard of shops barring the majority of the population, the local Polish run shops near where I live seem equally helpful and happy to serve me as do the local Indian run shop.

I live in an area which has attracted a lot of Polish immigrants. They have come over and taken a lot of jobs and started quite a few businesses, in doing so they have displaced some White British people from their jobs, something I'm pleased to see. If they the indigenous population is incapable or unwilling to do jobs as well as legal immigrants then why should they not be allowed to come here and do them? I think on the whole the new residents are far politer, nicer people who have benefited the local community.

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Ok, I got this wrong. Here is my public correction. Most road signs in slough seem to be in a different language, I can only assume this is because Slough is full of people who immigrate here because they want to be here so much they can't be arsed to learn english.

Surely road signs should be in a language that the majority of road users can understand? If you leave your box and travel across the continent you'll find lots of signs translated into other languages (usually English) to help foreign nationals to follow road signs.

Quote from flymike91 :wow i've never heard of such anti-patriotic laws. I could cover a skyscraper with an american flag year-round and never need a permit. permit...what kind of bull is that?

Most European countries (with the exception of the Swiss) don't feel the need to plaster everywhere with flags, I always find it amusing how Americans seem insecure about their heritage and feel a need to wave flags. There are lots of fiercely patriotic British citizens who feel no need to wave flags. The typical flag wavers in the UK either wave national flags (Welsh/Scottish) because they like to feel independent, wave St George's flag (England) normally in support of our football team, which is normally fairly harmless but rather an embarrassing image.

The Union Jack has recently become a symbol used by racist nationalist movements, this has led to caution being taken by a lot of companies to associate themselves with it. The Union Jack is typically only flown from houses in diverse areas as a provocative statement. This definitely is not how the flag was traditionally flown, usually from public buildings as a celebration of certain dates.

Ignore what he is saying though, there is no law stopping anyone flying a Union Jack, and he is being deliberately mis-leading, all the laws he has talked about (multiple large flags and tall permanent flag poles) apply to any flag.

Quote from Psysim :Embarrassingly and sadly flymike, our so call country of freedom is not that good. Its a case of you can do anything you like as long as you do exactly what we say. The patriotism is long dead, the system tracks you and its illegal to stay off the system, even though you have the right to move about this country freely. I am on more databases than I will ever know about. It makes me sad as I avoid giving my details, I avoid national insurance and pay for private medical insurance. I dont claim a penny when im not working and wont pay a pound when I am. I'm not on the electrol register (register to vote to you) but still they know where I am. Where is our freedom?

So you don't vote? Then you have no right to complain about the way the country is run.
ajp71
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Quote from Shotglass :i meant more in terms of making shifting a hassle... having to wait for the gear to go in etc

I'm a bit confused as to what the issue is? Yes the shifts will take slightly longer with a road gearbox and less aggressive clutch but with some vague rev matching you can go through the gears quickly on a modern road car.

Quote from Intrepid :I agree with you in principle. But I think the problem BTCC is faced with is that the manufacturers don't see any benefit from competing.

Speed is no longer king, MPG is Gone are the days of 'win on sunday sell on monday'. There is very little to gain for a car company spending much money on racing. So your concept isn't wrong, it's just the current climate for manufactures isn't really geared towards speed.

Nonsense. There's a small market for people who actually want green cars, regardless of what they say. A lot of car buyers still want speed and performance (and their car to be a symbol of this) although they won't admit it, by making motor racing 'green' car manufacturers have the perfect marketing platform.
ajp71
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Quote from Shotglass :would a synchro box really work in a race?

Of course they will, I think the Rover 5 speed 'box in my Dad's Morgan +8 was rebuilt after the 11th and 20th seasons of racing, production trials, hillclimbs and autotests. A modern road gearbox should be capable of being abused without any issue, many series require standard gearboxes. Clutches could also realistically be kept standard without issue so long the power output isn't ridiculous. The most likely components to fail would be driveshafts not coping with the torque (there's probably a good case to justify leaving them free on safety grounds for high power front wheel drive cars) and differentials overheating (usually as a result of bad driving).
ajp71
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Quote from BlueFlame :I'm not suggesting make cars faster, In the 90's the cars were the same chassis as the production model, they were just made as fast as the chassis and rules would allow. If the racing rules were as you mentioned the series would just be dominated by 1 car that was the best handling chassis and the most aerodynamic shell to start off with.

The whole point of touring car racing is it meant to be production cars going motor racing. It should allow the better road cars to have an advantage on the track, and be a way for manufacturers to show off their road cars to the public. Look back to the 60s/70s when touring cars really were based on production cars, anything could win little or large and the racing was close and clean. Would you really pick current spec touring cars over that?

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Edit : The reason windows aren't glass is because of safety issues afaik.

The reason windows aren't made of glass is because it is heavy, shattering glass isn't a serious safety issue and perspex windows are very expensive.
ajp71
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Quote from BlueFlame :That sounds like absolute rubbish.

You've got a better solution?

The three main problems with BTCC and touring car racing in general currently is it costs too much, the cars are too distant from the production cars and the driving standards are non-exsistant. I don't see how making cars faster would help with any of the current issues.
ajp71
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Quote from [MoD] :well you are only 18 and have had limited time to follow british gt and im 36 and been following british gt since i was 10 not saying i should know more just cause of my age just more experience. most are built from a road car in accordance to the rules (although this may have changed in the last couple of years) as its production car racing not production parts racing lol

I may be 18 but I have worked for a GT team and built cars (in Britcar, a similar championship with smaller budgets and some other historics/FIA GT). A large amount of the work I did was... shell preparation. So no offense but I think I have a far better idea than a casual spectator

They may start as second hand road cars but the first thing that happens is they get stripped to a bare shell before being sent off to the body shop to be sand blasted. During the stripping process a lot of parts (including the horn) get thrown out because they are of no use and not worth the hassle trying to sell. After the shell has been stripped it is prepared, a process that takes a lot longer than the creation and installation of a full weld in roll cage, every last stud and bracket that isn't going to be used is ground off (including the horn ones).

If a car doesn't end up as a shell during the build process then the interior paint will look shit and doing the required body preparation will be much much harder, if not impossible, and if a team decides to drag round standard road car components then they're not going to get anywhere.

I think you really don't understand what GT racing of the last 20 years or so has been about, all the strength is from the rollcage, you could easily cut away large parts of the shell without issue (lots of people run with carbon fibre body panels). The only uses for the shell itself is to cover the car and to stop reduce the rollcage distorting in a large impact. The supsension and brakes bear no resemblence to the production item, other than the fact they're in roughly the same place on the car, the engine is the only major part of the car that is based on the production car.
ajp71
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Quote from 5haz :
I blame the Super 2000 rules, I think the rules should go back to Supertouring rules.

I think that they should go to far more restrictive rules, no external bodywork modifications at all, other than adding quick release fasteners, require standard bumpers, mirrors, undersides, glass windows and wheel arches all reducing the cost considerably. Then require a standard road car transmission with only a changed final drive. Engines should be kept pretty standard and ensure that the production engine has a large effect on the race engine. Equally suspension should be kept standard, permitting nothing to be changed except for springs and dampers (which would have to remain in their standard location). Maybe multiple classes, a full race engined 1100cc class, a 2000cc production modified engine class, and a 3500cc class for cars with completely standard engines and a much higher weight limit, balanced so a car from any class could be competitive.

You could even go as far as limiting differentials to modified production units, allow limited slip diffs to be tightened and adjusted but prevent cars which run open diffs from being able to fit an LSD, this would majorly hamper the front wheel drive cars, encouraging some more interesting machinery.

If something like this was done correctly the cost would be hugely reduced the cars would look more relevant to their road counterparts and critically the performance of the cars would be dependent on the road cars on which they are based.
ajp71
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I'd rather see circuits go the other way, much more enclosed, more varied scenery and more interesting circuits with natural corners and elevation changes. Why anybody would want to race on a flat, dull, overly wide circuit surrounded by a sea of tarmac I don't know, certainly somebody I know who raced the similar Bahrain circuit in something slower than an F1 car and smaller than an oil tanker said it wasn't a great track to drive or race on.
ajp71
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Quote from [MoD] :british gt .

Odd, I'd have expected a British GT car to be properly prepared from shell up.
ajp71
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Anybody know how the Intersport/Torquespeed #41 has managed to end up second on the road?
ajp71
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Quote from [MoD] :i thought personal attacks in the forum were not helpful and due to recent rule changes actually banned from the forum

Where is the personal attack?

Quote from [MoD] :well i have just got off the phone to my mate who irl is a gtr mechanic (who is at silverstone right at this moment) ,and he has informed me half of gtrs do actually have a horn , only if the placement of the horn interferes with a performance part is it removed ,he has checked the rules and theres nothing banning the fitting or use of the horn ,just common decency not to use it unless absolutely necassary.

What kind of racing are we talking about? By having a horn it implies it was deliberately put back on the car when the car was built, unless it was never taken to a shell, in which case it isn't really a proper production racing car. I think I have worked on 11 GT cars, none of which have had a horn.
ajp71
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Quote from aoun :Its not like they don't have racing experience at night.

The only single seaters to run at night are oval series, very few F1 drivers have driven them. There's nothing else similar, it is not a night race, like a few F1 drivers may have experienced in guest drives at sports car races.
ajp71
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Quote from skstibi :Fix the headlights and I will think about removing the horn an option. Currently when I flash lights, NOTHING happens. I honk and most of the time someone actually says sorry or actually takes physical action to move the hell over so I can get all 4 wheels back on pavement.

Flashing the lights to intimidate isn't the done thing in real life, and if seen doing it excessively or whilst fighting for position you'll be hauled up in front of the clerk of the course. Static lights are permitted, and often required on faster classes in multi-class racing, but this only really compliments the blue flags (which are possible to not see or take some time to be shown in reality). If you are side by side with someone and end up getting squeezed off flashing your lights will do nothing, in reality your only option is to minimize the danger, even at the risk of loosing a place.
ajp71
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Peripheral vision in LFS is easily as good as it is IRL. The view you get in LFS is far better than what you see in an actual GT car with high sided seats, with the click of a button you can turn your head and are only limited by the high sided seats, not so easy IRL tightly strapped in with a HANs device and helmet weighing your head down. In LFS we don't have steamed up dirty windows or race in less than perfectly clear conditions. Not to mention the magical mirror which has nothing obstructing it, or the fact that there's no disadvantage sitting high enough to get a good view. Just trying to move one of these cars around a parking lot is a nightmare in reality because you can't see a thing, let alone trying to race them.

We already get too many clues as to where other cars are, the mirror, seating position, ease of looking round, and much more distinguished sounds of other cars which you don't hear well enough to place in reality. There is no need to add extra artificial aids to LFS. If you can't place other cars in LFS without using the 90 degree look buttons then your doing something wrong and definitely shouldn't try racing a real GT car.

Equally if you blast the horn all the time and consider there to be an issue with people not seeing you have you considered they have seen you and have decided not to give room to the stupid over aggressive wanker blasting his horn at them?
ajp71
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :Probbably never, but if you slipstream someone (Especially on the SO tracks), as the road narrows and you're sidebyside, a few honks and 90% of the time they'll allow you (room to get) through.

Real racing cars will only ever have horns fitted if they're either required by regulations or are road legal (more likely both), it's added weight for no advantage. The usage of a horn in real racing is prohibited and the usage of one as a means to intimidate other drivers out of your way, which is the sole usage of the horn in racing situations in LFS will have you hauled up in front of the clerk of course.
ajp71
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I would prefer to keep them in one file, makes it much simpler to find the right textures and share textures, if anything I think some files could still be merged together to make it simpler.
ajp71
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :Dunno about that one AJP, only Papy game I played was GTL. How do you define a "sufficiently high force" o.o

So you've never played a Papy game...

Sufficiently high force? Well if the speed differential is too great the syncromesh will have to work a lot harder, particularly if the engine is partially clutched and revs are not fully matched. If the force being transferred across the transmission is too great then it will fail at the weakest point, usually the driveshafts or diff will fail first though.
ajp71
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :There's clutch damamge. Gearbox damage is FAR too complicated to model. I think I'm correct in saying no game has decent GEARBOX damage. Apart from those crappy ToCa games, and Race Driver. But you can slam into a wall at 150 and get gearbox damage (??), not from downshifting like a prick

What is so complicated about it, when a sufficiently high force is applied across the gearbox whichever gears and synchros are being used get damaged? The Papy sims had gearbox damage modeled.
ajp71
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Posting random links and false statments about things you think you might have some idea about is irratating and counter-productive. I'm sure the OP is quite capable of finding the first result off google, and is probably posting here because it didn't answer his question.
ajp71
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :OooOo.

Well I found the one I'd be willing to buy. It's the one in this picture but I can't seem to find a visual match on thier somewhat limited steering wheel list

Edit : Nvm, found it as the sparco fsn

Retails at around £110 :jawdrop:

The wheel in that photo is a Momo one, most likely a 280mm (11") one mounted on a Frex GP adapted DFP.
ajp71
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Quote from S14 DRIFT :Meh. Now that you've said that AJP I'm tempted to get a different wheel for mine...

Commando R, or Momo Team or finally Momo Jet..

Which one is better? xD

A seamless suede racing wheel. Something like one of these:

http://www.momo-uk.co.uk/galle ... ering%20wheels%202008.htm

Be careful though because the smaller (formula) wheels are often not pre-drilled. You can get them pre-drilled from some places including the Frex GP website. The standard 3 hole racing wheels will bolt onto the same boss as the 6 hole road/G25 wheels.
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