Quote from Racer X NZ :

The good news is that our PM has promised that we, at least, never look at any of it before we give it to the US, and (reducted).

Do you mean 'redacted'?

So, tonight on Radio Le Mans David Brabham announced the launch of Project Brabham. There are a few details on the Indiegogo site, but it sounds like quite an interesting concept and it'll be fun to see how it develops. I've already pledged £25 for one of the early fan packages and they've already hit about £5000 pledged (from a £250,000 goal) after a bit more than an hour.

Thoughts?

Quote from tristancliffe :

http://youtu.be/E8ImHPvOxLs - but I'm probably wrong.

That was so obviously CGI. Don't you know Intrepid can't possibly be wrong...?

Quote from Intrepid :

Reason being the inside car has observable speed and momentum that when you put two brain cells together you know that naturally there car will move across the circuit on exit. You literally learn this when you're about 8. Had T1 had gravel run off now driver would go round the outside there.

I spent about 15 minutes last night looking on YouTube and found these examples from 2012 and 2013 where a successful pass was made around the outside when there was either grass and gravel or a wall on the outside:

Vettel on Rosberg, Australia 2012
Hamilton on Vergne, Spain 2012
Alonso on Grosjean, Valencia 2012
Raikkonen on Button, Singapore 2013

With a bit more time (and expanding the search further back than 2012) I'm sure I could find more examples.

Quote from Intrepid :

They get on the radio and basically lie by saying they were pushed off. The problem is they shouldn't have put themselves in that position in the first place.

So...they actually were pushed off the track, but they shouldn't have put themselves in that position in the first place. Right...so you've never seen a successful move round the outside?

Quote from Racer X NZ :

Just a standard Aussi V8 passing move.

Well, technically, that pass out of the last turn was because Whincup made a mistake

The action before that was great though.

@Intrepid - I don't know if you're ignoring my question above or just missed my post.

Anyway, do you think Bottas was pushed off track at Monza?

See, it's symptomatic of a larger problem in F1 (and some other forms of motorsport) at the moment and is a serious question with regards to overtaking.

If you think that what happened with Vergne in Singapore was simply him trying to "idiotically drive round he outside" then it follows that you should also think that way about Bottas at Monza, right? I mean, or else you're just totally inconsistent and you should be ignored.

The problem is that if drivers are allowed to defend the inside of every corner (one defensive move per straight) and they're allowed to simply push people who have significant overlap off the track, where do we get overtaking? It's pretty clear to me that in both the Bottas move at Monza and the Vergne move at Singapore they were attempting entirely legitimate overtaking moves, with a large overlap.

There are some forms of motorsport (including V8 Supercars, which I believe has among the best driving standards in the world) where the driver on the inside simply isn't allowed to push someone on the outside off the track, if they have overlap. That's the way racing should be. There has to be respect between the drivers, where we see hard but fair racing. If people can simply drive others off the track because they're on the outside then it's complete nonsense.

edit: Additionally here's a post which includes some images of a situation very similar to the Vergne incident from 2012. In that incident Webber was penalised too, which I didn't understand then either.

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Quote from Intrepid :

Verge wasn't pushed. Had there been a wall where the white line was he would have conceded the corner before trying to idiotically drive round he outside.

This new breed of tracks with extra run off (even on a street circuit) is developing some weird pussyass racing behaviors.

Was Bottas pushed off track at Monza?

Quote from three_jump :

Quote from amp88 :

So, at Monza Magnussen got a penalty for not leaving enough space and forcing Bottas off track. In Singapore Vergne tried a move where he was going round the outside and got forced off track, yet HE was the one to receive the penalty. Such consistency.

I think he got the penalty because he used the run off area to prepare his pass on the following corner. That's at least how I see it.

Right, but only because he was pushed off the track...

The reason for Magnussen's penalty at Monza was that he "did not leave enough room for car 77 [Bottas] in turn one and forced him off the track". That's exactly what happened to Vergne here. He was attempting an entirely legitimate pass on the outside but he wasn't left enough room and was forced off the track.

So, at Monza Magnussen got a penalty for not leaving enough space and forcing Bottas off track. In Singapore Vergne tried a move where he was going round the outside and got forced off track, yet HE was the one to receive the penalty. Such consistency.

Quote from PhilS13 :

Something is off. When they make contact they have not started braking yet. Heidfeld is almost 2 car lengths back when Prost looks behind for the last time. How did Heidfled gain almost 3 car lengths in less than 50 meters??? Tow ? Don't think so. It's like he magically unlocked 70 hp...

If I'm Prost I don't expect Heidfeld to be there...at all.

Prost appeared to have been conserving battery power for a significant amount of time beforehand. Look at how Heidfeld closed the gap. Even if Prost didn't expect Heidfeld to be there he shouldn't have moved to 'defend' so aggressively.

I put together a video from the annual hot air balloon festival around here. It was a bit of an exercise in trying to capture different kinds of photos/videos and learn a bit about editing. I'm not that happy with how it turned out (for various reasons), but better out than in, as they say. I'd welcome any constructive criticism or feedback you have, please.

Strathaven Balloon Festival 2014

Links in quotes aren't 'clickable'. See post #13 in this thread for an example. Is this intentional?

Quote from Hyperactive :

Maybe some kind of drs detection system/help?

I had a look back at some previous races and noticed a similar pattern on the approach to the hairpin at Hockenheim too. Could be some form of DRS detection point/activation point distance system, but not sure. I asked ScarbsF1 and RacecarEngineer on Twitter, perhaps they have an idea.

Also: another jump start GIF:

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

He stopped right after that movement.

He didn't stop. Once he started moving (clearly before the lights went out) he kept going.

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

Do you really think he gained anything with that? His start was terrible anyway so it doesn't really matter.

Whether you gain an advantage from breaking the rules doesn't matter in a number of cases. Saying "well, he jumped the start, but he still lost places" doesn't excuse it.

Quote from PhilS13 :

Absolute zero movement does not exist for a car on a starting grid. Do you want the sensor to go off when there's a gust of wind? A detection system has to have a certain tolerance to it. He was in it....very lucky to be in it but still he was in it. AFAIK it was a car problem, it never went into "race start" mode, the whole start procedure went out the window and the clutch was probably all over the place.

I understand what you're trying to say and I disagree.

Quote from PhilS13 :

Quote from amp88 :

Hamilton's jump start: http://makeagif.com/i/aUKPDd

Just drop it and relax mate...there's a proximity switch in the tarmac, he didn't move enough to trip it. That's all...it has happened before and will happen again, if the switch doesn't go off it's not a jump start.

Either you're moving or you're not. I have no idea how the system failed to detect this, but it's pretty clear.

edit: Anyone know what the converging shift lights are on Kvyat's wheel here are? Looks like it might be some kind of braking point aid?

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Hamilton's jump start: http://makeagif.com/i/aUKPDd

So, racing incident between ROS and HAM and a lot of people go apeshit and hours of TV coverage is devoted to covering the minutiae of the incident. HAM (almost certainly) jumps the start at the Italian GP (car almost certainly moved before the red lights went out) and it barely gets a mention...totally makes sense.

At the moment the Racing Videos thread is being shown as having 183 pages despite there being 4550 posts (4550 posts / 25 posts per page = 182 pages). If you click on the 'Go to last post' link you get taken to the 'empty' extra page.

Quote from Racer X NZ :

AMP, sorry but I don't understand your question.

You appear to put a lot of faith in RT (and have linked to articles from them numerous times). I think if it was an American site with CIA involvement (rather than a Russian site with KGB/FSB/Russian State Security) involvement you'd be much more reluctant to use their articles to prove your speculation.

Quick question for Racer X: If there was a news organisation which got weekly briefings from the CIA, had embedded CIA agents in the organisation and the CIA had a degree of editorial control over featured content, would you be happy to use it as a reputable news source?

Quote from Da Hoe :

looks like i should try your way of getting credits. 0.26 wow.

Ouch! I definitely recommend it - I've already taken somewhere around 5 shots off my average score and I feel like I've got a lot more confidence (because of the increased forgiveness and precision, I guess).

edit: Also, finished this round earlier this morning. Can't believe I kept up the birdie streak - I usually crumble under pressure.

Last edited by amp88, Thu, 4 Sep 2014 06:38.

I did a couple of the 'earn free credits' offers where you create and deposit money in a gambling site and get a few thousand credits in WGT. Only got the first set of credits through, but I got myself a nice set of clubs (Ping i25 + Cleveland Golf CG16 64 Wedge) to go along with the TaylorMade Spider putter I've had for a while. It's taking a bit of time to get used to them, but the increased range and spin compared to the clubs I had previously is really impressive. I did 9 holes of the best par 5s and got on quite well, including my first eagle. Getting on the green in 2 shots from the pro tees (even if you don't have that much of a following wind) is possible on quite a few holes. I'd highly recommend finding a similar offer and doing the same sort of thing if you feel yourself struggling to improve your score. Hitting from the pro tees with the standard clubs is quite hairy in a few places, as it's difficult to clear obstacles and get on the fairway.

Watching the Verstappen incident it immediately brought to mind Maria de Villota's crash.

Quote from Mustafur :

Well yes, but UK being the number 1 country following F1 with the most media focusing on it(and most craziest Media), is always exaggerated when a Brit is involved.

Not always.