Quote from richy :

lol I dont know. just thought it would be funny seeing a blue square on the tyre instead of brown.

I think you forgot that the tire already is blue (when cold) so it might be hard to see the water spot.

Quote from LoganC :

Well, then maybe BMW should give the devs a nice M5 as sort of a, "thanks for your efforts."
It's a win/win situation. I mean common! Who doesn't want to race M5's?
-LoganC-

I want an M3...........and Cobras but thats another story.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

There actually is a specific sound that's routinely categorized as indie rock, though, nebulous as it may be at times. It's sort of an umbrella term, but the wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indie_rock) and AMG (http://wc01.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:2687) pages do a pretty decent job of explaining it.

I realize that indie rock does have a particular sound associated with it, but it generally refers to the fact that the group remains unsigned. Read the first sentence in the first article you sited.

Edit: I think the certain sound you are referring to lends itself solely to indie music because of the fact that the groups are independent.....if that makes any sense. They've got that grunge, garage band, undergound feel.

Quote from Racer Y :

I don't like Indie music. Why? because of the title. includes what should be classified as various other genre instead of being all lumped together. It's a very misleading term. I mean honestly what does the Late DJ Screw have in common with Nick Cave? what does alternative country have in common with Eurotrash disco? Yet they are all "indie".
So no, I don't like Indie. I mean so what if they make their own lables or sign on with small companies. The music styles are radically different from each other.

And what's so bad about Dream Theater? except that they were a little behind in the times. The came about when people started putting away the leather/spandex and started wrapping flannel shirts around their waist. I think that was their real problem. They should've came out at the same time as Zebra or Vandenburg.

Indie is short for independent. Therefore indie rock, is independent rock. All it means is that the bands are unsigned...nothing to do with the genre unless you say "indie rock, indie punk etc." There is no such thing as just "Indie music" unless you are referring to ANY genre of music whose band/group is independent of a record label.

Quote from squidhead :

I speak Russian, Latvian, and English...how am I supposed to know French?

"touché" is common knowledge to any english speaking person.

Quote from bbman :

Well, no... You said touche, basically douche with a t at the front... Also, "touché" means touched, but it came from fencing where a touch means a point for the opponent...

Some people aren't anal enough to bother with the accent. I would have thought anyone of little intelligence could have understood what i meant. I am obviously wrong. And i know what "touché" means, why do you think i said it?

Quote from squidhead :

ans7812 - Gunn is right though...
Scandinavian flick involves clutching, and braking.
Feint is performed at full throttle almost all the time

What is your point? I obviously realized i was wrong and said touche...translated it means "I've been hit"

in before flame war/lock/deletion.

Quote from Gunn :

This is a rally technique and is not used in drifting at all. Ignore all of the kiddie drift web sites that say that feinting is a Scandinavian Flick. Feinting is a much simpler technique.

Link

touche

Quote from agm_ultimatex :

Yeah, i've been tryng the feing technique more, I do like it. I've been doing Fern Bay Gold reverse, and I find 3rd gear is a little quick to go through the first turn, so I break and down shift, then do the inertia.

use downshifting to your advantage. (use it to break the tires loose)

scandenavian flick

where is the beer?

Quote from Shotglass :

godwin !

Disregarding everything else you said, this was the funniest thing i've seen today. I completely forgot about Mr. Godwin. Haha

Quote from Qvarnis :

Couldn`t keep my hands off from the wheel for long Friend asked me if I wanted to come speeddrifting with him, couldn`t resist. Found out that he and I are about the same good. Was so much fun to actually race around blackwood with him, didn`t last long till bunch of newbie drifters came to the server and blocked the roads totally. Even the admin didn`t care eventhough he was up there drifting too.

I need that damn S2 NOW If I had the money for it, I think it would go for a new wheel & pedals set My gas pedal doesn`t work correctly, feels like fuelcutting.

Cut grass for a week. You'll have plenty money

Quote from tristancliffe :

You cannot deny there is something called religion. The question mark isn't about religion (religion is the act of somebody worshipping a god, which happens all over the place). The question is whether there is a god in the first place to worship.

True. Let me rephrase my statement. There is/are no god/gods/supreme being.

Quote from axus :

My friendly grammar nazi begs to differ... you can have "the reason why" and "the reason for"... and "the reason that", depending on the surrounding words. It just doesn't make sense to me. But anyway, that's irrelevant.

Using "know" instead of "no" doesn't make sense to me either but I didn't make fun of you for it...

Quote from Qvarnis :

Is there really any GOOD drifters in demo anymore? Like, a year ago there were alot of them, but now all the fast servers are full of noobs Can`t really train well anymore, having nothing new to try or anyone good to compete with. All the others spin all the time or don`t know how to slow the drift down and crashes in various places.

Sorry if this is dumb topic...

-Qvarnis

Buy S2.

Quote from Jertje :

I've seen forum threads on religion - the internet benchmark for flawed arguments and pointless debate - which were less amusing than this thread.

That's because there is no such thing as religion and apples are obviously tastier than oranges.

Quote from axus :

Funky constructs such as "reason for why" and a few others.

There is nothing wrong with saying "the reason for why someone does something".

Lets not start an english debate. Your posts aren't all that perfect either.

Quote from axus :

Sorry, OT question here, English is your first language, right?

Is that question directed at me? If it is, yes, english is my first language. Why do you ask?

Quote from axus :

:hihi:
This thread went from boring to hilarious. You should drop the point about clutching, ans7812. I think you quite clearly lost that one even if you did have a point (and you didn't).

That must be the reason for why you kept posting in it...

Quote from tristancliffe :

Read the top quote. You said "because i had to slow in the turn...". Not FOR the turn, but IN the turn.

If you can't be bothered to type what you mean, or what actually happened, then just shut up and realise you can't drive very well. I don't know if you are drunk, misinformed, stupid, brainless or what, but all of those things and more are starting (I said starting) to come across in your posts. I am assuming, possibly naively, that you aren't just trolling, so I'll give you the benefit of that doubt.

You're right. I did make a typo and what i meant to write was "I had to go slow in the turn." I "meant" to say this given the wet conditions of the day. I had to take the turn slower than you normally would, which given that particular turn, is not exactly slow in the first place.

I braked normally as most people brake before a turn, or am i wrong about that too? The result wasn't a spun car, the ass slid out, i countersteered and got it straight and drove on. It happened all within 3, 4 seconds at most.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Erm, you said this:



You didn't say "much greater chance", you said "will", and you capitalised it!!

Face it, you don't know what you're talking about, you don't even know what you are saying, you can't remember what you or us have said, yet you won't admit to it?!

I know what i said. "Given a wet, slippery road surface." I did not say "Pushing in the clutch makes you spin." Which is exactly what ajp claims that i said. Also, i did hit the brakes because i had to slow in the turn...

And i would be happy to take up your offer if you purchase for me 2 cameras and the editing equipment necessary to produce such a video.

Last edited by ans7812, Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:38.

Quote from ajp71 :

But Axus has explained things in terms of physics and clearly understands what he's talking about, the method he's described may not be the best but he's not posted some complete bullshit like 'if you put your foot on the clutch you will spin' and I'm sure if you make a sensible question about his statement rather than telling him he's silly he'll explain it to you.

Going on personal experience is silly you say that pushing the clutch in made you spin are you sure you weren't going to spin anyway. If I enter a harpin at 180mph with my air conditioning turned on it's obviously my air cons fault and you have to turn it off before you go round a corner?

What thread are you reading? I never said "pushing in the clutch makes you spin." What i did say was "pushing in the clutch during a turn is not a good idea especially when the conditions are slippery because there is a much greater chance of losing the back end."

Quote from tristancliffe :

You didn't give an explanation, you just stated an opinion.

If the road is wet and you press the clutch, and you are driving sensibly - nothing will happen (other than the usual stuff like slowing down). If you are pushing it (heading towards the limit) then I grant you pressing the clutch would be like going to partial throttle suddenly (i.e. not as bad as lifting completely), and you might get a tiny slide. But we were discussing this at road speeds (I thought).

It isn't common info, because it's false info, that you and only you have heard of.

Here is where you gave an explaination as to why clutching will reduce traction to the point of oversteer:

You see - no explaination at all. Just a statement (that's wrong mostly).

Oh, and for the record, it's not that easy to brake from 135mph in 5th to 40mph in 2nd, going down the gears, on the limit of braking, without locking a front or snatching a rear on downshifts. There isn't much time, there is a lot to do, and that's before you even think about racing! Until you race in real life (be it saloons, single seaters or GTs) don't make statements like 'it's easy'.

In post #70 i gave an explanation as you why it is possible to slide.

In response to your edit, I, like you, assumed we were talking about public road speeds. If you are driving 135mph on public roads, let me know when you are in my state so I can stay out of your way.

Last edited by ans7812, Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:22.