Quote from dpcars :

i'll work on getting some better pix as things progress but it'll take some time.

Thanks

Sorry if I've missed them on the site but I just can't find wallpaper size pictures of the DP1 anywhere on the site. I think the thing looks utterly fantastic, can I get a wallpaper (1280x1024) anywhere?

Quote from evan55 :

Ok I understand now. Also when I buy the S2 license does the game just patch itself for the S2 content?

Pretty much. The demo you've downloaded already includes all the S2 content - it just needs to be unlocked with an S2 account. Once you've done that you'll have access to S2 cars, tracks and servers.

See you on track soon!

Quote from dpcars :

i was also thinking the same thing. would make a lot of sense as a third license level maybe? hope the devs give some thought to it, i'm guessing there's a large and growing market for something like that (if done right).

I agree but the reason for LFS not allowing you to make your own car models and tracks is the WIP state of the physics - ie. things keep getting added and it would be messy with tracks having to be updated with every patch. AFAIK, the devs do have some intentions to make LFS moddable once complete.

BTW (and I know someone asked this question some time ago, just wondering if anything changed since then) have you managed to give LFS a spin albeit only in demo and if so, what are your thoughts?

Quote from AndroidXP :

Wait, since when does Hamachi allow regular LAN IP's? As far as I know LFS only allows LAN connections through the common 192.168.x IP range, or was that just for S2 unlocked versions?

I don't know much about it tbh, Android, but I'm fairly sure I've heard of LFS races hosted over hamachi... or was that some other sim. Anyway, worth a try.

You mention LAN? Why not just make a VPN with Hamachi if you want to race S1 that badly? (Research hamachi yourself, I don't have the time to write a page to help you out here.)

Quote from SinclairHUN :

Yes. I loved into this game, and S2 is not my "type". i dont like it. and as i said that too, there are computers which not fast enough to run S2... (even if that is hard to imagine...)

I think a "little" server is a little thing to do to give many people "happiness", to play S1. i think 3years are not so long :S
but this is the developers choice. i am just asking this.
maybe a little change in lfs.exe could make it right, but this is (was) my question, if there is anything...

S2, set up correctly, will run faster than S1 - the graphics engine is more optimised. S2 is not your type? It's the same thing, only 300 times better. Set S2 up correctly and give it a proper go, you'll probably like it a lot better than S1.

I don't get it. Why are you still playing S1 when S2 has better physics, graphics, sounds, menus, more capabilities and basically everything is better?

Quote from Gimpster :

What it really comes down to is budget. That will be the limiting factor and will influance other decisions. The next thing is access to machine shop and a qualified machinest. If you don't have that then you need to adapt existing parts instead of building custom parts. If you are going to be adapting exiasing parts to a new purpose then the choice of parts will determin the size of the vehicle.

Then the decision has to be made to build the car to conform to some existing class of racing, some LFS class, or be somthing in its own class. I know of an interesting suspension design but it does not exist in a full scale car and would have to be scaled up, machined from scratch and modified a bit to work but it allows for maximun adjustability.

I think a couple of guys (ie. XCNuse seeing as it was his idea and people he nominates) should get together on a group convo on MSN with Tristan. Tristan has to be there so he asks the "300 questions" . XCNuse, you have to be pro-active about this if you want this idea to not go to ruins (and to prove that you're not nuts ). Then answer the questions as a group, and provide some ductability for some based on price and accessibility of the components required. Then this info should be made public and people who offer help with access to components and/or design can help out. That will insure that the car has a strong character and get the project going. So, gogogo! Chop, chop! This thread isn't going to get the project going.

Quote from tristancliffe :

If we wanted to start, then we'd need to come up with the basic design concepts. e.g:

Wheelbase:Track ratio - a long, narrow car would be more stable; short, wide car more likely to be unstable but more flickable
Top Speed or Acceleration - acceleration is much cheaper and top speed very rarely realisable
Road, Road/Track or Track - this covers things like mud guards/wheel arches, ground clearence, lighting requirements
Engine position - Front, Rear, Mid? Longitudinal or Transverse?
Gearbox position
Gear ratios - quick change box, or pre-selected gears from a road car?
Gearbox type - h-pattern, sequential... etc

I could probably write a list of over 300 things that we'd NEED to consider and come up with answers before you even start getting rulers and paper out and drawing.

The alternative way, which does less for me, is to come up with drawings and sketches of the final car, and try to fit 'suitable' components under that bodywork... I personally prefer form following function rather than function following form, but some (non-engineers, ricers ) think differently.

We also have to be careful to disregard anything Americans say (because we'll end up with an 8.0l car that can't do anything) and to carefully disregard anything Germans say (because the car will be amazing, but totally and utterly boring). The Japs should be avoided because we'll just copy everyone elses good bits. And the English should be avoided because we'll spend too much and go on strike. That leaves the French (unreliable, but it might be good on rough roads), the Italians (as long as it doesn't need wiring we might be okay), the Spanish (erm, yeah), and the Scandanavians (so we'll make it out of wood and wear helmets with horns on to drive it).

I love stereotypes

What about Bulgarians that stay in South Africa?

I like this idea but there needs to be a person to head it who can say "right, you're not qualified so you're off the team" but motivate the rest well enough. Apart from genuine managerial skills, he'd also need some engineering knowledge just to keep the car going on target for the original idea. On top of that, this shouldn't be done by assembling a team first and then asking via poll "ok, so what would you like to make?" because half of the people will not be happy with what they're making and that's not how it should be. A small group of people should start by answering the general questions that Tristan asked above. Then these people must come forward and ask "ok, so who would like to help us with this and how?" in order to get the team together. I know I wouldn't be interested in working on an MRT thing because I simply despise it but I'd love to work on a small, closed top RWD sportscar.

My head hurts all of a sudden. I know that's off topic, just thought I'd mention it. It was probably pure coincidence that it started hurting as I read the first post.

EDIT: Oh, you mean pronounce? Spell is how you write it out. Pronounce is how you say it. It's liv, yeah.

Quote from Electrik Kar :

...wow, it's been awhile!
Today I finally got the rally texture done for Blackwood . You can get it here. -Enjoy

Nice! Glad to see you back at it

On a side note, may I ask after you're done with BL and SO, what track do you plan to do, if any?

I see the netKar guys have managed to pull off a spectacular road texture for their hillclimb thing btw:
http://www.netkar-pro.com/images/trentobondone_03.jpg
*hint-hint*

Welcome! I'm glad to see the interest you've shown in having your car represented in LFS and I hope to see it in there soon. I also hope to see you on the tracks of LFS in the near future!

EDIT: Should you guys be making all this personal communication with the devs public? I wouldn't... if they wanted to, they would indeed post here and tell us what they want us to know. EDIT2: I see the post has been removed now (just thought I'd add that so people don't get confused).

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Quote from jayhawk :

This would be a nice "in between" car to the MRT and the FOX.

I think you'll find that it's in between the FOX and the FO8, or around the pace of the big GTRs on low-downforce tracks. Bare in mind that the body also creates downforce even if there are no massive wings. This is something that LFS doesn't simulate... yet.

Quote from ORION :

This car is cool

Having looked at it some more, I completely agree. Wow, I can imagine this being scaaaary to drive - it looks like a beast from hell (in a good way) and I'm pretty sure it will drive like one.

@prodeg - It was. Someone tried to contact them and let them know about LFS with no success sadly. But the Atom's a completely different thing.

This looks sweet. I hope it works out.

Quote from GeForz :

Just post smaller images

Fern bay before the Green chicane?

Quote from tinvek :

confesion time

although ive played rfactor demo and not got on with it i did re dowload and patch it the other night and was going to buy it!!!

however when i clicked the purchase link the screen came up saying that the publisher didnt support this game yet !!??!!


could this have been a sign from above ?

Probably. Just don't do it man.

Quote from rc10racer :

Ok you have your fun now time for my fun

Too easy. Fern Bay, just before coming onto the bridge.

EDIT: I lie, al's right.

Quote from Dj-Aeri :

And what about Victor & Eric's work? are they still working in the LFS?

Durr. Well, we know Eric is. Victor never contributed much to LFS itself but mostly LFS world, liveforspeed.net, lfsforum.net etc, which he has done a fantastic job with.

I can't say I agree with you on the point about "race cars being impossible to catch". I've done my fair share of research on the matter. Race cars are harder to drift than road cars? Yes. Impossible? Far from it. Why?

Racing tyres have generally stiffer sidewalls so they peak at lower slip angles. Therefore upto that point they gain grip really quickly. After that the curve levels off and it feels as if they have lost grip, where as they have merely stopped gaining grip.

On top of that, race cars run on racing rubber which is very heat sensetive compared to normal road tyres (different compounds, I know this from one Todd Wasson so I don't think I have the right to go into too much detail as he makes his living from this type of thing - not that he's passed on his infinte supplys of tyre wisdom to me ). Anyway, road tyres are hardly affected by temperature at all until they hit some insane temperature. Temperature effect is apparently exaggerated in LFS for road tyres a lot.

And then you also have aerodynamics. You'll find that most wings will lose a significant proportion of their downforce with the increase of yaw angle. I know very little on this matter though.

Lastly, the fact that race car drivers don't drift doesn't mean they can't - it's just slower than going around normally so they avoid it as much as possible. As you pointed out, there have been a number of incidents where F1 cars have recovered from notable slides.

Quote from Ian.H :

Wrong! Hackers are good guys for the most part, the site was compromised or in more common terms, cracked, _not_ hacked.

I know a fair few hackers.. infact, IIRC, I found LFS from someone's .sig in the alt.hacker usenet group that I used to frequent. There's some infinitely smart people there, _real_ hackers... would they break into a site for fun? give you a serial for app x? not likely... would they help you find / fix a security hole if they could, most definitely!

Please learn the correct terms before slinging mud at the wrong people... Scawen's a hacker, I'm a hacker.. as are most who post in the Programming forum here.. do any of us feel the need to compromise someone's site? very unlikely... I'm very much the opposite and will try and help someone defend their servers if I can with any info that might be of use.. so have a think and forget what the media tell you



Regards,

Ian

Fair enough.

Hackers are just a drag on an economy. Phlos shouldn't be allowed to touch a PC till the age of 21 at least.

Quote from duke_toaster :

For the benefit of the tape


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*snore* Enough already. What's Sam got to do about it? Or anyone here for that matter?

Jakg - you don't get the whole sarcasm thing, do you?