Quote from S14 DRIFT :

And Tristan, for motorcycles when you have 2 contact patches, the quality of those contact patches are MORE IMPORTANT. As I said to you I have upgraded the suspension on my bike and found it to be much better than an equivalent bike on the same tyres. Would I say OUTRIGHT grip was improved? No, because after all on a smooth piece of the road the suspension only compresses and rebounds. You don't have roll or other things to worry about. It was only "bad" before for once I knew what I was talking about. Pains you to admit that eh?! And I am aware that Europeans share chassis. Sliight difference is they don't share rubbish ones.

Congrats! I reckon you've started an off topic discussion which will get this topic closed!

Quote from kingcars :

You're right, that's something I've never really looked into, hence why I barely touched the subject. I think BAMBO is the one who was talking about that stuff.

And that's why you've pretty much missed my point, twice! The thing is you are attributing low-end torque to your engine due to it's layout (being a V8) when in fact it's due to your engine being undersquare.

Weirdly, you've never replied to my post kingcars (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1191529#post1191529) but I won't really bother anymore since I'm not gonna achieve anything. This discussion of yours and S14 is steadily falling into a argument more then a debate.

I'm just gonna say that you keep comparing your big american car to a mere S2000 which is just a combination of sport car performance and a daily driver commodities. Well what do you reckon about the Caterham Superlight R500? Truly a sport car that has been based on the "simply and add lightness" motto. It uses just a 2L engine yet I bet it can beat any of your american V8 in a straight line and without a doubt in the corners.
I think your car couldn't even outdrag a normal Superlight.

Last edited by BAMBO, Sun 21 Jun 2009, 22:18.

Quote from Shotglass :

in case anyone was wondering why the americans need lorry levels of low end torque
http://www.allipills.com/alli- ... e-worldwide-epidemic.html

Well if you think about it, that might be the only logical explanation since having low end torque just basically means the car will tend to brake traction more if you ignore the important bits

Quote from kingcars :

F1 cars use V8s...

http://www.f1technical.net/articles/4


ROFL @ spelling typo^

And I'm the stupid one? hahahaha

Wow, you totally missed the point. I said F1 cars USE V8 engines but because they are overstroke engines, they have a very linear ascending torque band thus proving my point that a wide torque band isn't something specific to V8s but to understroke engines.
And I'm the stupid one?

Quote from kingcars :

You're the one trying to say things like:

"But if a 4cyl had 306ci..."

And wouldn't my statement be correct?

Quote from kingcars :

"If V8 torque curves are so great, what about F1 cars?"

I don't recall saying that. But oh well, you made a fool out of yourself when you replied earlier.

Quote from kingcars :

Anyways, time for work...can't wait to see the stupid crap that ensues here over the next 7 hours.

Trust me on this one, mate, you won't see more "stupid crap" then yours.

Last edited by BAMBO, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 20:24.

Quote from kingcars :

Well then there you have it - that's an advantage of a V8. That's part of the argument.

No it isn't as you can read above. Because if it would be an advantage of an engine being a V8 (as in the way the pistons are connected) then how come F1 engines have such a fluid torque band? How come 4-6 cylinders truck engines have such a wide torque band? it's because it simply isn't. It's an advantage an undersquare engines has against a oversquare one.

Mate, it's pointless arguing with you since you don't know basic stuff about how an engine works. I suggest you do a bit of studying before making incorrect assumptions.

Last edited by BAMBO, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 20:02.

Quote from kingcars :

This is a 4cyl vs 8cyl discussion, size difference is part of the argument....we cant go changing around their common properties. V8s often dont come with forced induction, while most performance 4cyls do.

Well your torque band comes mostly from your bore&stroke, amongst other things. So your V8 has a wide torque band for being an undersquare (longstroke) engine, not becomes it's a general attribute to a V8 so engine size is quite an important factor. Engines can relatively have an infinite amount of sizes, no matter the quantity of pistons so there is no reason why not to compare the two while both being the same size.
But to play your game, I'm gonna say that a 2l, turbo 4 cylinder would have a similar torque band to a V8 if it would have variable turbine geometry.

Quote from kingcars :

Hahahahaha I was about to be like "you CANT be serious...." Also, I thought 911s had straight 6 cylinders, not 4...straight 6s are great for torque also.

It's actually a flat six, basically a V6 at 180 degrees.

Quote from kingcars :

Say what now?

Well it isn't very fair to compare two engines of different sizes, now is it? Sure a 4 cylinder the size of your V8 would never rev to 6000 rpms but since you're only comparing torque band, I'm quite sure it would be better.

Quote from kingcars :

Also, I'd love to see a 4cyl with comparable hp to my 306 put out a torque curve like this: http://img.photobucket.com/alb ... ine%20Project/300rwtq.jpg Once again, it did that with low oil pressure and wiped out main and rod bearings.

Here's the 911 Turbo's: http://www.hennesseyperformanc ... nce/images/Pic4.php?id=71

If you ask me, it looks better then yours

Anyway, moving along from idiotic comparisons, you're pretty much trying to say that a 4 cylinder engine won't have the same torque as your 306 V8. Well I can more then guarantee you that a 4 cylinder the size of your 306 will produce more Nm and will have a better torque band.

Last edited by BAMBO, Sat 20 Jun 2009, 19:21.

I would like to take this opportunity and also announce that I am leaving Experion Racing Team. I have to say only good things about the lads as well and would warmly recommend them to any free driver out there looking for a team.
It has been a blast and quite a laugh, wish you only the best and good luck in the future!

Will see you on the track and keep in touch!

Note that season 2 of the Formula Junior will still run under the IMA banner.

Quote from CSF :

However you are still not really giving any reasons as to why you should get points for this round...

Alright, since you can not go back and read my posts -or the import parts of them- and since this would make life easier for the admins. Here are my reasons to why I think I should get points for this round:

Rule I.6 states that if I miss qualifying for any reasons, and there are still free slots on the grid, I may start, but must take the start from the pitlane.

I believe that is exactly what I did and as the underlined word demonstrates, the rule applies to even the most outrageous excuse. You might object and declare that rule I.4.2 states that "Failure to meet this requirement -referring to rule I.4- may result in not being allowed to participate in the sessions"

Notice that the underlined word shows that this is not a definitive decision and that it is up to the admin to decide what to rule. And since the last ruling during the race by the admin regarding the incident was to allow me to continue my session as said on ventrilo.

Rules VIII.2, VIII.3 and VII.4 obviously state that ventrilo is an official means of communication between the drivers and the admins thus the ruling above was official. I was not told at any point that I might be disqualified afterwards.

Rule XII.3 says that "to be classified as a finished of a race, I must complete the minimum number of laps required to exceed 70% of race distance"

I believe I exceeded more then 70% of the race's distance so I am also not denied to receive my points due to this respective rule.

At no point did the admins mentioned that my session's result might be canceled after the race, thus making me consider it an unfair decision and thus by the above, I would like to protest against the final decision.

Last edited by BAMBO, Fri 19 Jun 2009, 20:36.

Quote from CSF :

Ok give an answer to this:

If he can't have the courtesy for his fellow drivers and the people running these events, then why should they not come to the conclusion that he should not score points in the race? If it meant anything to him he would have showed up on time and ready to go. Instead he was 50 minutes late.

Ask your team-manager if he would allow a team that shows up late for either MoE or IGTC, I guarantee you he wouldn't allow them to drive, unless they had a connection issue before the race that was obvious. In this case Bambo showed no courtesy to the admins and fellow drivers by showing up late, and he should not be in a position to score points in this round.

I gave you all the reasons in my previous posts to why I protest against this decision and I'm not gonna repeat myself for the sake of you getting my point of view but I will say this:
You speak of courtesy and claim that I didn't had any, yet from what I remember, I actually treated this more serious then you did from what I recall. You came more unprepared then me since your setup wasn't even able to last the race thus continuously misjudging T1 even though you knew your tires were very hot (up to the point you had a flat from what I remember), thus resulting that you weren't really planning on finishing the race (even recall some lines on vent about something which indirectly proves this) ,then joking about it and generally acted like some might call "childish"

Quote from CSF :

Quote from Timdpr :

BTW, 22:36, 28:50 and 30:18 in the replay look a bit iffy considering bambo was lapped at the time, but meh.

Trust me mate, you could have caused more havoc then I was able!

So to basically put it your way:
If he can't have the courtesy for his fellow drivers and the people running these events, then why should they not come to the conclusion that he should not score points in the race? If it meant anything to him he would have showed up with a valid setup and with a serious attitude. Instead he was having a laugh.
In this case CSF showed no courtesy to the admins and fellow drivers by showing up unprepared, and he should not be in a position to score points in this round.

So what I could logically rule from your opinion, is that you should not be in a position to score points in this round as well

Did I mention that from what I see in the race result, I also had 8 more laps then you?

Last edited by BAMBO, Fri 19 Jun 2009, 18:48.

Quote from Timdpr :

It's good that you stil tried, I realise that you care but I just thought you were too late. Having said that, missing what you did because you were playing COD4 makes you look a little...err...relaxed about the championship.

Well it's not really like that. I just got it installed and it was the newest FPS I've had in years so I played it for about 3 hours continuously since I really liked it. Could have continued to do so but then I got out and seen the time and well....that's when I got on vent and on the server.

Looks interesting, guess I'll also join

Quote from ATHome :

May I ask just why you want to keep this system?

The metric system is from my point of view far far easier to use.

Well it's quite relative really and I agree with 5haz. Since you and me have been basically "raised" in the metric system. I mean I have learned the imperial system but I can't actually "think" or compare different things in it, I convert them to metric and from there on I give my opinion on it.

I'll try and be neutral and say that I think it isn't really one's fault completely. You see, most people living in Romania travel to a foreign country to find some work which will offer them better a better salary. Unfortunately a part of this immigrants are also pretty much, degenerates that have the "gang banger" attitude, the ones that cause the havoc.
People in the respective country that romanians are migrating to, will obviously reach a point when they had enough. Extremists groups will appear who unfortunately will put everyone in the same pot, including the entire country, when it obviously isn't the case, as noticed in quite a few examples around the world, thus everyone which can be put in the respective category will be attacked/discriminated/denied rights/etc.

Although this is in a way better for Romania, since like I said, most people leaving our country are either the low-class workers or the scum of our society, so we're basically getting cleaner.

That's quite weird for me when I go back to read my post since I'm planning to move to London in a couple of years to continue my studies Well chavs and thugs be aware! A real pro is gonna show you how to do it

Last edited by BAMBO, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:17.

Quote from Timdpr :

If anything you should be excluded for all the crap on vent.

Quote from NDRC LFSBC Rulebook :

4. You must be in the server at least 10 minutes prior to the start of Qualifying.
1. You must be in both the LFS Server and the Ventrilo Server to meet this requirement.
2. Failure to meet this requirement may result in you not being allowed to participate in the session

2. Failure to meet this requirement may result in you not being allowed to participate in the sessions
The emphasized word shows that this isn't automatically applied, there can be exceptions which is the case with this one since I was allowed to participate by the admins in case you haven't heard on vent

Quote from Timdpr :

Did Timo say that on the server? If you think he did, check the replay. The first thing said on the server, very soon after you joined, was Jack stating: "bambo you can't join once the race has started" The rules above state it is admin's discresion, and Jack decided you couldn't join. Having said that, I can't remember what (if anything) was said on vent before bambo joined the server.

It seems you are not able to comprehend that talking to him may also take place on ventrilo where I was also allowed to join.

Quote from Timdpr :

One reason I'm writing this post is because of how annoying you were on vent. You may not quite have screamed, but you certainly were very heated, something you can tell regardless of volume! Politeless? No. Annoying and childish? Yes. Distracting? Very.

So you're not capable of hearing me when I asked Timo and when I was allowed,yet you heard the other discussions? Now you're just contradicting yourself

Quote from Timdpr :

You may not quite have screamed, but you certainly were very heated, something you can tell regardless of volume!

I didn't screamed and neither was I heated, something you can't tell regardless of volume!

Quote from Timdpr :

Politeless? No.

Doesn't that mean that I was polite?

Quote from Timdpr :

Annoying and childish? Yes.

Please do define what is annoying and childish! If someone trying to explain to an official his current situation while also being a bit stressed, annoyed with himself, etc. because he wants to desperately protect his 1st place in the championship is annoying and childish, then your definition is certainly very wrong in my opinion.

Quote from Timdpr :

BTW, 22:36, 28:50 and 30:18 in the replay look a bit iffy considering bambo was lapped at the time, but meh.

You end the phrase as if you couldn't be bothered yet you take the time enough to record my incidents? Fine, give me the time penalty, I would still finish in third place

Quote from Timdpr :

And I agree with CSF's last post, joining 3 laps into the race is something you wouldn't expect someone to be allowed to do!

Well you wouldn't expect someone to be allowed to do so, but as the rules state or not state to be more precise, I am more then allowed to do that.

Quote from Timdpr :

Look, I don't want to make an enemy, I don't recall having any previous problems with you but I just don't like this.

You're not the only one. I also don't like this situation but I will try to defend myself if I consider that I have been unfairly marked. IMO you simply don't allow someone to do a session and then completely change your verdic, it's just quite morally wrong. Doesn't the fact that I still bothered to join the round even though I missed the qualy and had no chance of having a decent performance shows that I'm dedicated to this championship?

Last edited by BAMBO, Wed 17 Jun 2009, 19:22.

Well I do have a bit of volume related issues with TS and Vent so if I was yelling or not is quite subjective. All I know is that from my point of view, I was speaking

And I did say sorry, that means I was polite

Last edited by BAMBO, Wed 17 Jun 2009, 15:43.

Quote from CSF :

Erm I am pretty sure I heard him saying something like that to Timo in the private bind that they left me on.

But honestly, you are a moron of the highest order. You came on the vent server screaming your lungs out and what was your excuse "Give me a break, I forgot because I was playing COD4".

Great excuse.

Quote from Rulebook :

"If you miss qualifying for any reason, and there are still free slots on the grid, you may start, but must take the start from the pitlane"

I don't see your problem here about my great excuse Nor did I "screamed my lungs" when I came on vent, I politely apologized for my absence and then continued specifying the reason.

I could answer back to your insult but I honestly think I've moved on from such behavior

Quote from J@tko :

I said he may continue, obviously pending any further enquiries.

Me and deko have come to the conclusion that, after looking at the rules, he should not be classified.

I'm sorry, mate, but I can't agree with the underlined text. I went on the server, asked Timo if I could join and he allowed me. Then a bit later on you told me that I should pit but after a few lines on vent, you deemed that I may continue. You never mentioned the underlined statement so IMO you pretty much twisted the knife in the wound with this

But the thing I'm most confused about is that from rule I.6 which states that "If you miss qualifying for any reason, and there are still free slots on the grid, you may start, but must take the start from the pitlane", I should receive the normal amount of points. It's true that I've missed 3-4 laps but as vent can confirm it, I was basically there a few seconds before the start of the race, it's just that I don't have JointoLFS so I tiped the server's name and password manually, and then it took a few more seconds to download the skins and by the time it was done, I've missed the amount of laps mentioned above.

I see no reason to not allow me to receive the mentioned points for this round and would like to forward the apeal I made above.

Quote from bunder9999 :

i'm not entirely sure about being the worst, but at one point jim balsillie wanted to move the penguins... maybe that had something to do with how bad the team was (dying fanbase == less money == cheaper players)...

I remember that, and then at the start of a game, Mario Lemieux gone to the middle of the stage and announced that the Penguins will stay at Melon Arena in Pittsburgh. Didn't he also considered moving the team?

Happy to see the Penguins winning it, have been a fan since number 66 used to play IMO they deserved it! Weren't they considered to be one of the worst teams and then made a quite a comeback last season? Although they did have the top 2 best players

Quote from jwardy :

commitment to lfs i suppose instead of females

As if that doesn't comes naturally when playing LFS

Last edited by BAMBO, Sun 14 Jun 2009, 13:38.

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