Quote from Eclipsed :

Solid axle =/= locked diferential

I was mistaken. I was thinking about differential instead of suspension stuff.

Quote from Cimanu :

As long as the default setup is at a realistic level, it allows freedom for users to do as they wish with the vehicle which I've always seen as a huge positive for LFS.

To an extent, but it looks silly if you made a gt3 clone and it had 60degrees of available steering. It's just pointless

Quote from martin18 :

Force feedback between mods will always be there, due to weight, weight distribution, front suspension type, and steering rack. But yes I agree some cars have way too light steering, and some guys have fixed that, that’s what the feedback/comment section is for



I feel like your expectations are too high from people that are moders not developers. That’s why there’s only a handful of staff picked cars. That’s why these are WIP not finished mods. This is till new give it some time.

Well of course there will be a different general feeling between suspensions but the problem I'm finding is that it doesn't feel "consistently" different, if that makes sense.

It feels like alot of modders tailor the FFB and steering feel to their own taste rather than the raw input/output. With how heavy some of the mods ffb is, NOBODY will EVER use at 100%, I doubt many people even use 100% in regular LFS cars anyway but some of the mods here are double or TRIPPLE the overall FFB force. I could appreciate having to tweak individual FFB's within 10-20% excluding things like go-karts or the e-scooter [lol] but the reality is a difference between having to run 15% in game to having to run close to or over 100%. With direct drive wheels peoples hands will break with the huge disparities that there are.

Maybe a poll is needed to account for the most commonly used FFB% for default content and then the modders should tailor their cars to perform at that FFB% in game, but I don't know if it creates more problems than it solves this way, just a suggestion.

There's no need to see my comments as a wholly negative ones, they're not. I understand that many are WIP which is exactly the reason I bring these points up in the beginning, so it doesn't go down a rabbit hole of "finished" mods that have wildly different standards when it comes to FFB, steering lock or tyre compound choice.

I would expect at the very least these things are accounted for by the people who make the mods, I'm not asking for something that's perfect in every way, just that the things that *can* be taken care of, are taken care of before we end up with a majority of mods that are never ever used.


I don't know if its possible but maybe in the editor there is a drift spec check box which determines how the mod is tagged in the list and whether or not it can have more than 30~degrees of steering lock, that would solve one of the problems. It's frustrating to see race cars that are excellent quality to have way too much lock because the steering ratio is off or visa versa. Likewise for some of the road cars. 60degrees lock I saw on a truck or such, I can't remember which. This lack of quality in details just means that you'll end up with what AC or rF1 has where you have mods for any car you can think of, but the quality isn't fully there so nobody uses them.

I know Scawen doesn't want this either by the looks of how things are developing but its well within our interests that we as players don't want it either. In a perfect scenario the only mods you won't install are of cars you don't want or like to drive and not because of quality reasons.

But I have to say the response here has been productive and exactly what I hoped when I decided to post.

Last edited by BlueFlame, Thu, 25 Nov 2021 13:26.

Maybe the best workaround is to just force-lock the diff in the setup, if that's possible.

Quote from Flame CZE :

Thanks for the feedback, I will try to adjust it as you suggested. If you have any other suggestions, feel free to leave a comment in the mod thread.

Will do. Its really good work though I appreciate the dedication you've shown in it

Have to say, I've had a lot of fun driving the mods in LFS and the addition is a welcome one without doubt.

Nevertheless I've encountered some teething problems which I've yet to see mentioned in full, maybe they've been touched upon in various threads but I felt the need to address them individually.

1. FFB
The ffb strength is wildly different from mod to mod, granted, when driving a kart, you would expect the FFB to be somewhat saturated and stiff, but the issue of FFB between mods I've found to be extreme. Would there be any kind of metric for mods to adhere to? I feel like FFB seems to be created to the mod makers tastes/preferences only and not to any real fixed metric that makes the mod specific FFB relative to all other cars in LFS, mods or otherwise.

2. Steering lock/ratio
I've found this to be much the same as the FFB, wildly different and in many cases, comically high amount or complete lack of steering lock or ratio.

The most evidential one I can think of is the late 60's early 70's F1 mod by Jake_Blasted where the default setting is 30degrees of steering lock within less than 360 degrees of wheel rotation. This makes the car ridiculously twitchy and impossible to enjoy, when the core vehicle dynamics feel really good, its impossible to enjoy them. But there are plenty more where the steering lock far exceeds the realistic maximum those cars would have. Anything above 45 is ludicrous unless its a drift car. I mean a hackney carriage has 43 why would a UF1? I feel like not enough effort is being put into this.

Another example is Flame_CZE's beautiful stock car mod. 20degrees maximum lock might be enough technically speaking, in the real world, but the problem is in game the ratio feels too long. Most stock car setups would run at least of 10:1 on a road course, sometimes even 8:1 on roadcourses and short ovals. I will say I don't know the mathematical calculations of such ratios are but I can feel that it's not enough and I don't know if that's the limitations within the game, or otherwise. I just know that 20degrees in that car does not feel anywhere near enough for road-course usage because even on ovals it feels too little.

3. Setups, specifically the tyre allocation
Whilst driving various cars, I noticed the slick tyres, even R4 are way to grippy for most of the mods themselves in most cases making them incredibly easy to drive and I would like to know if its possible to create a new tyre like an R5 for the mods to use, otherwise I would suggest to mod makers that despite the visual appearance, try using road_super instead of slick compounds.

My favourite mod has to be the transam mod by Chansonje but on slicks [even R4] this car was way too fast and stable and nowhere near lairy enough for the type of vehicle that it is, however on road-super it was transformed to be exactly what you'd expect from such a car and extremely enjoyable.

I just feel that the onus shouldn't be on the player to setup the car drastically to get the car to perform to expectations, almost having to undo the original mod makers preferences in steering lock or FFB just to drive and enjoy the thing.

I don't know or can't think of any methods that would solve these problems, my only hope is that bringing this up in a dedicated thread may give birth to such ideas in a way where we can really standardize at least the FFB and steering lock practices for all mods, that bring them inline with stock LFS cars generally.

This car is somewhat ruined by the ability to have 30degrees steering lock with a steering wheel ratio which feels like 8:1 or less at less than 300 degrees rotation.

I have a G29 [which is the PS version of the G920] and can confirm that it is a console wheel FIRST AND FOREMOST as well as a wheel that can be used for PC.

Support and software functionality on the PC are less than what you get on a G25 or G27 for example. But having said that, I've yet to find a game where it didn't work as I wanted it to.

This is how updates SHOULD be handled. Say nothing and then pop out a release.

Still, what makes this S3? Since physical situation in LFS is the same, it's only the addition of Rockinham?

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Last edited by BlueFlame, Sun, 12 Jul 2015 22:57.

Had to happen some time. Thank you for all you have done. NDR leagues/events always were the best moderated and marshalled events to ever drive in.

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Last edited by Cornys, Sat, 5 Jul 2014 14:36. Reason : Adding Entry

My last thread and my last post on this forum.


Things to note before watching the video. I made the video a few days after the sad news of our friend. I never got to finish the video to where I wanted it but after a few months of it sitting there and not having the motivation to do it I decided to release it anyway. It's quite low quality but that's on the basis of my poor upload speed and ease of use with youtube.

The reason why it's still unchanged from when I did it is because I didn't want to edit and re-edit and lose the emotions that were there when I made the video. I'm the type of person that could never get anything 'perfect' so in that respect it's better I don't ruin the originality of the movie.

I hope you guys enjoy it and take it for what it is. I wanted to show the Tomek we all remember which is the guy that set awesome WR and pole laps rather than shots of a tribute lap after he passed on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e5UjqbgyNg

Quote from PMD9409 :

On your part.

The rant clearly shows you do. Try just apologizing for a bad assumption instead of embarrassing yourself further.

How can I embarrass myself? If I gave a shit what people thought of me here I'd sit here agreeing with everyone and sucking them off.

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

I live there. Knob.

And where does it say clearly you live on the Isle of Man? IE, how the **** am I supposed to know? Population is what less than 100,000? Out of 60 million people in the UK I assumed you weren't on the Isle of Man. Massive fail right there.

From now on maybe I'll assume everyone lives on the Isle of Man? What a wonderful warped point of view that will be. Still won't satisfy you lot though will it? Clearly I don't give a shit though.

Quote from Dennis93 :

That's manly.

Very man, such stones.

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

I also already have it memorised

And how could you have done that? The only virtual versions are a shortened/scaled down Snaefell circuit anyway.

Quote from Intrepid :

Will Buxton ‏@willbuxton 6h
Williams will have three or more separate liveries this season. Martini lines considered part of brand, so livery will change per country.

I didn't realize that alcohol sponsorship was governed like that. I guess it's only Bahrain and Dubai where it's not allowed?I mean essentially it's just a white car with Martini decals on it anyway.

Quote from Bose321 :

Lets hope it sound somewhat less crap than most cars.

Most of the road car v8's do sound a bit shit, 458 and the T125 sounds are very good in my opinion, but the E90 sounds really shit as does the Lotus 49 imo.

Also the Pagani sounds a bit shit aswell.

Gotta love that balls to the wall jump through a concrete fence.....

Quote from Intrepid :

They will have a few more designs coming in this year. So it's not JUST this one, which admittedly is quite conservative. but if you want to bring in new designs it's probably best to start with something quite basic.

They'll probably change decal placement but I doubt they'll change the design tbh

Actually, the frontal picture compliments it better. I think it's just the penis nose that spoils it.

Looks a bit shit to be honest.

I prefer these. I think that's what we all expected to see.

Last edited by BlueFlame, Thu, 6 Mar 2014 11:51.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Well, you indicated that 20 players stop to fight. I figured I should tell you that there's either 2 teams (thus 40 players), or that they have more than 10 players per team.

I'm here to educate, as you clearly know nothing about the sport. Although that about sums up every single topic you attempt to discuss here, and then try to argue as if you're some kind of expert.

Or was it that you tried to add 20 + 20 and managed to get out 20, because algebra is so arbitrary and such nonsense?

Well you put forward that all 22 football players in a match must be homosexual?

I mentioned 20 because it was a far more reasonable number than 40, but enough of a number to include both teams.


Essentially all you did was attack the pair of us for not using Canuk hockey slang. Dat logic