Quote from -NightFly- :

Edge, be the man of your words and take a chillpill, your nerdrage is starting to look silly now .

I'm totally chill, just sick of the trolls here.


Someone needs to put them in their place, and the mods aren't doing it.

Quote from j@tko :

Dude, someone has replaced an online skin with one that has a penis on it. I may be immature but that's hilarious. I posted that to share it with all the other really immature people on the forum, not because i was pissed off. I know very well there's nothing you can do about it (apart from ban people, which arguably is a way of dealing with it), you just appear to think it's not wrong in any way!

You can only ban them from your server, Scawen and team isnt going to ban them from LFS. So your thread was only to draw attention to yourself and not the actual topic being discussed

its a mother f*****g video game. QQ. Sharing is caring!!

Quote from der butz :

So what about doing something immature to fight fire with fire?

An eye for an eye.

Quote from J@tko :

Since when was I crying? I started the thread as a joke, which the vast majority found funny, and I agree that people shouldn't steal skins. Where in the thread have I been crying?

Making the thread implied you were pretty upset about it, then continuing to post when you have been told there is nothing that you can do about someone using your skins.


Sounds like a bunch of QQ to me.

Quote from J@tko :

No, it's just plain stupid! I've seen people driving around with skins with MY NAME ON.

Still nothing that you can do about it. Keep crying.

J@tko, You are missing the damn point. USING the skin isnt a violation of copyright laws.

Keep crying, nothing mature that you can do about it.

Quote from hyntty :

Can I just make a point: If you don't actually care, why the **** do you care? (No pun intended)

I am merely trying to look at it from both sides.

Quote from der butz :

I would happily risk that for the thought that someone who stole my skin was racing around in a stupid skin while feeling cool!
So you say it's totally okay to use a skin someone else made (even if there would be some line written in the dds telling it is a private skin), but it's not okay to make fun of those "thieves"? Isn't that a tad hippocritical?

greetz

der butz, who has packed his bags in the meantime

Did i EVER say it was okay to use someone's skin? Just arguing the other side since everyone wants to bash on the demo racer's.

Also, if you are smart enough to put a disclaimer on your skin, then get a lawyer and go fight your fight with an innocent video game player who is not profiting nor claiming to have made you skin.

Copyright violations usually mean someone stole work you were selling and now you are losing a profit from it.

This is just petty crying because there is someone else on this virtual world that has a car that looks like you.

Quote from der butz :

On topic: I would happily put penisses and donkey poo into some jpg and reupload it under the skins name.

And doing such, would get you punished because it says nudity and offensive skins are NOT allowed.

Quote from der butz :

it's evening on this side of the planet. people have tea and relax from a hard day's work.
That must mean you sit there on your beloved country in the middle of the day nagging about other people not going outside. Makes me giggle mate!

I have a job and a life, but I do enjoy relaxing inside too.

Last edited by edge3147, Wed 2 May 2012, 18:49.

Quote from J@tko :

How? In both cases you're downloading something someone has made off the internet.

Because this topic has been covered here MANY times before. AND nobody is trying to profit from LFS skins, therefore your civil case would have nothing to stand on!

Quote from J@tko :

Yes, it runs rFactor (which is worse than LFS) and meets the min specs for iRacing (which I can't afford, and is debate-ably better), plus I actually have a life so don't spend all my days playing computer games.

LOL'd

Quote from J@tko :

WHAT!?!?!?!? When did I suggest that EVER happens?

That's what this topic started out with, or do you not remember your very first post in this topic where you suggested doing this very such act.

Quote from J@tko :

In what way? I don't go around using a skin which I named XRT_WesternWolvesGT2WS just to check to see if I can steal it. Who does that?!

Obviously someone does! why do you think this thread started?

Quote from der butz :

sure, he jumped from the wrong bridge



greetz

der butz, who finds all this very funny!

<<<< This guy does. I mean, it's not like anyone is making a living off of making LFS skins. It's a video game. Is it too cold to go outside in the UK?

Quote from J@tko :

And in what way is that stupid? It's perfectly true

The situations are completely different.

Quote from J@tko :

Will do, thanks.

Computer won't run anything better than LFS?

Quote from J@tko :

Why not? It's perfectly legal. LFS World even says you can do it. What's wrong with you changing the skins you put online, it's YOUR skin to do what you like with.

So you think uploading a skin that can cause other problems such as ramming and crashing is ok???

Quote from J@tko :

What?!?!? You've completely missed the boat there.....

If you use skin names that include your team name, username, or anything that can give away the ownership of the skin, you are asking for your skin to be used.

Quote from J@tko :

This thread never got out of hand until you turned up. You didn't even answer Bean0's quote......






It's exactly the same thing. It doesn't matter where it says it, it's the same concept. And it even says in your quote "when you update a skin, just re-upload it with the same name" - that's exactly what this guy just did And calling Bean0 stupid is hardly nice.....

The only reason I called Beano stupid is because he reworded a quote in an attempt to be funny.

have fun with your dying simulator and the trolls that populate it.

Nobody is selling these skins or claiming to have made them. Nothing you can do about your skins being used besides crying like little 4 yr olds or being immature teenagers? Wrong.

Delete the skin and rename it, don't upload a troll skin just because you think it is funny.

Learn to name your skins without obvious names and you wont be a target.

Last edited by edge3147, Wed 2 May 2012, 18:15.

Quote from -NightFly- :

So why are you crying then?

No tears here, sorry to disappoint you. Just tired of this community and the trolls it has.

Everytime you upload a skin to LFSWorld you are LEGALLY, giving a copy of your work to anyone that is connected to that same server as you. They have not stolen your work, nor have they claimed to have made said work. THEREFORE, nothing illegal has been done.

Mods needs to do their job, and lock threads that get out of hand like this, I already quoted what Victor said in previous skin posts like this.


LFS is a joke.

Quote from boothy :

Sorry but fair use does not apply to the UK. Maybe you should take some reading material down to that bridge of yours

Super original. You copied me. And look at my location, I don't care about the UK.


ALSO, do some research, UK has similar laws, its just named differently (go figure). Look up Fair Dealing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C ... igns_and_Patents_Act_1988


Fckin Trolls.

Last edited by edge3147, Wed 2 May 2012, 15:42.

Quote from hyntty :

No, you are stupid. And stop calling people stupid, it's not polite.

Go join Beano under the bridge, where you belong.

Quote from theirishnoob :

sooooooooooooooooooooooooo true.

" im a bad ass cause i smoke weed " makes me think... enjoy the cancer ??

Such an uneducated answer.....

Fair use is a right granted to the public on all copyrighted work. Fair use rights take precedence over the author's interest. Thus the copyright holder cannot use a non-binding disclaimer, or notification, to revoke the right of fair use on works. However, binding agreements such as contracts or licence agreements may take precedence over fair use rights.

Quote from Victor :

We will never ban someone for stealing skins. Skins after being downloaded are saved to your computer and anyone with a bit of search capabilities can figure out how to convert the dds file to a jpg as was previously explained.
It's a fact of life in LFS that skins can be used by others and there is little that we or anyone can do about it. The best approach therefore in general is to keep your nerve and ask kindly of the 'offender' would stop using your skin.

(ps this post is instead of a mail reply)

Quote from S14 Drift :

They aren't stealing it. You are G-I-V-I-N-G it to them. You are uploading it to a service who's sole purpose is to DISTRIBUTE IT.

The connection between stealing a physical item and this is beyond stupid. I'm trying very hard not to berate you more than necessary, but you are making it oh so very hard. I know you probably wont understand this concept, but I'll explain it anyway.

Taking a physical item from someone DEPRIVES them of said item. They LOSE something, they leave with LESS than they started with. In the case of content, they aren't STEALING it...stealing indicated theft, theft indicates loss. You have LOST nothing. You still have your skin, therefore, they are not, in fact, stealing it. Its the same with the music industry. At least though, with music, they can claim a loss, because they lost the sale. You aren't selling anything, so you have no argument. Also, Last I checked, there is no way to upload a license with the image, so you can't even claim copyright infringement. While you legally hold the copyright, without a license, it falls under "fair use" and therefor, they can use it.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about... Nope, I don't skin cars for LFS. The texture mapping is horrendous at best. I've got about 10 cars I've done...only 2 uploaded to lfsworld because the others are incomplete. As games go, the mapping of the models is very bad. A 25 pixel square on the hood is generally not the same size on the model as a 25 pixel square on the door. That's a HUGE no-no when it comes to serious modeling/texturing. Frankly, I don't feel the need to waste my time trying to work around it.

However, I do spend around 10-15 hours a week contributing to various open-source development projects. All free, all open source, and all GPL licensed (anyone can copy, modify, and redistribute any code I create at their leisure, as long as they leave my license info in the file). Frankly, I think that content creators who try to keep anyone from using their content, or only allow its use with restrictive terms, are greedy, self-serving, poor examples of humanity. Theres a time and a place to make money off of content creation, when its offered as a service, ok. Development shops, software developers, and artists that actually provide their skills as paid services are fine. People who do it for a hobby, put it out there for anyone (generally more of a "bragging" type thing) and bitch when someone uses it that they don't like are quite despicable.

If you don't want someone to use your skin, don't give it to them. Simple as that. Your argument is juvenile and defensive, which means it should hardly be taken seriously. By putting your skin on lfsworld.com, you are, in-fact, GIVING it to everyone you race with, and you are doing so without license or restriction. If you don't like it, don't upload it. If you create skins because you like it, then keep them to yourself. But thats not really it, you want everyone to see it, you want the attention, you have the need to feel recognition for your work, and that's perfectly ok, thats normal behavior in every aspect. However, unless LFS integrates some sort of license system or encryption setup, anything you upload is considered "fair use" material, and that means people can use, modify, and redistribute. The only thing they can do that would be marginally illegal, would be to profit from it...and thats still a very gray line.

Can we lock this stupid thread now?

Quote from Bean0 :

I've slightly reworded your quote as follows...

"Web browsers have a feature which is called 'Automatic picture download'. Whenever you post a picture online to be viewed by other web users, they will download your picture from a webserver."

So basically you are saying that anything uploaded to a public area of the internet is fair game to be re-used however people see fit ?

You sir, are stupid. Go to LFSworld.net and then go to upload a skin.

That text that i quoted came from the skin uploading window.

See attached picture.


Go crawl back under the bridge you came out from under.

Quote from hyntty :

This deserves Timo's seal of approval

I mean guys for ****s sake, skins like any art is intellectual property. Much like photos pro photographers take and publish on their website. You wouldn't sue someone for stealing skins, therefore calling them with inappropriate names is perfectly in order.

Yes, but when you upload it to LFSWorld, you are distributing it WITH your consent to every person that is in whatever server you decide to join.


"Live for Speed has a feature which is called 'Automatic skin download'. Whenever you use a skin online with other racers, they will attempt to download your skin from our webserver."

In plain english to where everyone can understand it. If it is a PRIVATE SKIN, don't use it on a PUBLIC SERVER.

NGC will be closed until further notice.

I, Psycho, See all the other cruise servers running and have decide to take NGC Servers offline. NGC will be back, but when I feel it is the right time to come back. I have been busy getting things in my personal life straightened out and it has taken away from my Online time severely.

Once I am in a position to return to the LFS Community, I will make my annoucement here. Until then, I would like to wish all the LFS Teams and Supporting Communities the best of luck. For all the NGC Members, I would like to apologize and give full support to leave and find other servers where you enjoy playing.

See you sometime in the future LFS Drivers.

John aka Psycho.

Just for a few more days, have been very very busy. But we got a new host and are almost ready to come back. This was only temporary.

Stay on IC, it's ok.