you couldn't even spell the name
you want me to believe you know anything about them?
if that is the case, my lanca has 220php
86db/w/m at 6Ω with max power 75W?
my farts have more low end than that.
and yeah, i've seen wharfedales. their construction (unless it has improved thousandfold the past 10 years) reminds me of lego.
so to recap... 70 worth of speakers will sound better than 150 worth of speakers.
and spend about as much for a piece of steel to keep them in place.
brilliant!
you want me to believe you know anything about them?
if that is the case, my lanca has 220php
86db/w/m at 6Ω with max power 75W?
my farts have more low end than that.
and yeah, i've seen wharfedales. their construction (unless it has improved thousandfold the past 10 years) reminds me of lego.
so to recap... 70 worth of speakers will sound better than 150 worth of speakers.
and spend about as much for a piece of steel to keep them in place.
brilliant!
a 4850 peaks out at 150W
so ~15A on the 12V rails is ok.
so ~15A on the 12V rails is ok.
you can say that a card draws that many amps, or consumes that much power.
it's a one to one relationship.
30amps at 12V is 160W.
it doesn't have to do more with the "amps rather than the wattage". it's the same thing.
it's the two sides of the same coin.
it's a one to one relationship.
30amps at 12V is 160W.
it doesn't have to do more with the "amps rather than the wattage". it's the same thing.
it's the two sides of the same coin.
i give up.
i said, i give up
i said, i give up
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so since you understand why i gave that split, why did you say the previous things?
a 70gbp set of speakers will rattle and resonate badly (needing 50gbp in stands) because... brace for it... they are 70gbp worth of speakers and their enclosure will suck!!!
if you can't spend 150 on a set of speakers (entry level KEF/AE or whatever floats around this year) you aren't talking about a "hifi" set. you're talking about a glorified pc speaker set.
instead of 300 for a system that has 70 worth of speakers (the most sensitive component of audio and the second most important aspect of sound reproduction that is actually under your control) get a selfpowered set of speakers and a high quality, external, sound card.
wtf
70gbp for speakers
my 5.1 logitech set of crap was that much
spending 150 on an amp to drive 70 worth of speakers?
that's just plain wrong resource management.
considering the voltage supply of every card is the same (12V from the 4/6/8 pin and whatever else it gets from the pcie slot) what difference does it make to talk about a card's power consumption in watts or say that it demands that many amps?
also, you will almost never hear that a 4850 is a 10A card. but you will hear that the 4850 is a 120W card.
besides, when talking about power (measured in Watts) you can't talk about amperes.
in the end, the 3850 is a 65W card. peak. if the 220 psu were of good quality it would be OK under certain circumstances.
70gbp speakers on 180gbp amp?
it's like getting a golf 2.0 and putting 40gbp dunlops on it.
and ok maybe i would accept it (not that it matters and yeah i know i might sound patronising and/or condescending but this is not what i am after, please believe me) but you suggested 50gbp for stands? for 70gbp speakers? maybe if it were 70gbp *per speaker* and 50gbp for *all* stands, ok...
ok get an entry level NAD for pre/power and the rest of the money on speakers.
with with 70 quid speakers are you sure you will hear the difference between a 100 150 and 200 quid amp? my guess is not.
maybe i'm behind the times, but 50% of the budget on speakers (2) 20% on source (1) 20% on amp (1) 9% on cables etc, 1% on chocolate (2).
every system sounds better when you're eating chocolate.
it's like getting a golf 2.0 and putting 40gbp dunlops on it.
and ok maybe i would accept it (not that it matters and yeah i know i might sound patronising and/or condescending but this is not what i am after, please believe me) but you suggested 50gbp for stands? for 70gbp speakers? maybe if it were 70gbp *per speaker* and 50gbp for *all* stands, ok...
ok get an entry level NAD for pre/power and the rest of the money on speakers.
with with 70 quid speakers are you sure you will hear the difference between a 100 150 and 200 quid amp? my guess is not.
maybe i'm behind the times, but 50% of the budget on speakers (2) 20% on source (1) 20% on amp (1) 9% on cables etc, 1% on chocolate (2).
every system sounds better when you're eating chocolate.
you can't possibly be serious
less than half of the money spent on the amp... for speakers?
for a 300 budget, 200 on the speakers 100 on the amp
speakers are electromechanical devices, the worse offender in the chain of any audio system. wildly inaccurate.
even these beasts have a +/- 3db fluctuation in frequency response. (some frequencies will be heard at twice the perceived volume than others.)
it's much more expensive for the speakers to reproduce good sound than it is for an amp to deliver the proper signal.
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the 3850 is a 65W card. Peak.
think about it.
think about it.
bloody hell!
Did everyone on this forum just become 12?
QUIT THE BICKERING ALREADY.
Did everyone on this forum just become 12?
QUIT THE BICKERING ALREADY.
best cpu for 478 would be a PRESCOTT (not cedar mill. those are 775 :schwitz
.
not bad.
not bad at all.
maybe the EE would be faster but those are NOT CHEAP (you might as well get a new pc)
.not bad.
not bad at all.
maybe the EE would be faster but those are NOT CHEAP (you might as well get a new pc)
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it's either a socket A or a socket 478.
either way it has an agp slot
if you really don't want to get a new pc
you can get something like an ati 4650
for cpu, there are options. you can buy used.
for socket A your best bet would be one of the mobile barton variety, clocked to hell.
for socket 478... i dunno, i'm a DAAMiT guy :P
either way it has an agp slot
if you really don't want to get a new pc
you can get something like an ati 4650
for cpu, there are options. you can buy used.
for socket A your best bet would be one of the mobile barton variety, clocked to hell.
for socket 478... i dunno, i'm a DAAMiT guy :P
i hope you are satisfied with it...
my reputation is on the line!!!
enjoy your new compy
when he asked for a pc, he specified what he wanted to do... i wouldn't suggest a pc that would not be what he wanted
my reputation is on the line!!!
enjoy your new compy
when he asked for a pc, he specified what he wanted to do... i wouldn't suggest a pc that would not be what he wanted
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your first comment in this thread was irrelevant, unproductive, unhelpful, bordering on trolling. in other words, you made the comment solely for your own pleasure without thinking what would be beneficial at that point. in one word, idiotic, from the greek word "ιδιώτης" which alludes to "considering only one's self". in more common parlance, "malakas".
i think dawesdust is a plain idiot.
yeah
because aussies go and connect to euro servers :P that's why you see very few people racing on au servers
we all anticipate, with mouths agape, for dawesdust's next reality-shattering revelation.
have mercy upon our frail minds, dawesdust, for not one of us mere mortals are able to withstand the immense density of thought your superior intellect is capable of.
we quake in terror for the day you decide to not hold back anymore and, with no observable effort, nullify our existence.
have mercy upon our frail minds, dawesdust, for not one of us mere mortals are able to withstand the immense density of thought your superior intellect is capable of.
we quake in terror for the day you decide to not hold back anymore and, with no observable effort, nullify our existence.
you aussies can coordinate yourselves and run your own servers sure there are enough of you!
sure there are enough of you!i just want to watch the race, not hear some guy go on and on and on about what he considers interesting.
you get the accelero, stick two fans on it (the turbo module by A.C. or two fans... 8cm, 10cm, 12cm). end of problems
i do not know if this will make you feel better, but i can't play multiplayer, at all. i do not have an internet connection at home.
what i was saying is that 15fps isn't determining if a game is playable or not, there are two things on which it depends: kind of game and latency.
you can't play a fast paced fps at 15fps and 3frames latency
you can play more laid back games at 15fps with low latency.
you can't play a fast paced fps at 15fps and 3frames latency
you can play more laid back games at 15fps with low latency.
xcnuse, what are you saying man? aren't you the guy who does renders n shit? of all people i would expect you to know better
there is worlds of difference between 15fps unbuffered vsync off with a low latency TFT and 15fps triple buffered vsync on with a poor TFT.
in first case there is, at most, 1 frame lag.
in the second case there is at best a 3 frame lag between user input and output to the monitor
3 frames at 15fps is 0.2sec, without taking into consideration the poor tft.
both are 15fps
one is almost playable the other is certainly not playable.
low fps is one thing... it certainly is not good, but! if the set up has very low latency then the low fps is bareable.
there is worlds of difference between 15fps unbuffered vsync off with a low latency TFT and 15fps triple buffered vsync on with a poor TFT.
in first case there is, at most, 1 frame lag.
in the second case there is at best a 3 frame lag between user input and output to the monitor
3 frames at 15fps is 0.2sec, without taking into consideration the poor tft.
both are 15fps
one is almost playable the other is certainly not playable.
low fps is one thing... it certainly is not good, but! if the set up has very low latency then the low fps is bareable.
6 usb ports on a pc is really not much.
my mobo has 4 ports on the back and 4 headers (8 ports) on the mobo.
in any case, i wouldn't buy an alienware pc. Those who want to buy those are guys who have more money than sense or abilities and want to impress at lan parties without actually touching their hardware.
also forget about keeping the pc for 7-8 years.
even if you now get something ridiculously powerful and expensive... like three or four cards in sli/crossfire, you would still last like... 3 years? something like that. during 2006 we had the 7 series nvidia cards.
also, 10 years ago i had a celeron 433 with a tnt2 and i could play quake 2 so they were not completely worthless. for net browsing and stuff it would be ok even now. not great or good, just "ok". (with proper configuration and tweaking)
my mobo has 4 ports on the back and 4 headers (8 ports) on the mobo.
in any case, i wouldn't buy an alienware pc. Those who want to buy those are guys who have more money than sense or abilities and want to impress at lan parties without actually touching their hardware.
also forget about keeping the pc for 7-8 years.
even if you now get something ridiculously powerful and expensive... like three or four cards in sli/crossfire, you would still last like... 3 years? something like that. during 2006 we had the 7 series nvidia cards.
also, 10 years ago i had a celeron 433 with a tnt2 and i could play quake 2 so they were not completely worthless. for net browsing and stuff it would be ok even now. not great or good, just "ok". (with proper configuration and tweaking)
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