Thanks for the tips, it seems to be swings or roundabouts here. I use different earphones for work and gym but last pair of work ones the clip never fell off but the earphones fell out, current pair the opposite. The earphones are fine but the clip falls off and then pulls both earphones out. Oh well, looking at some Philips SHQ4000/10 now, reviews seem to be good for the earphones but a bit lacking in sound.