I meant a modern WRC-style rally car: 2 litre, turbo-charged front-mounted 4cyl engine, 4WD.
Although a Stratos would be great fun! IIRC they never had anything under the bonnet crazier than a Ferrari 246 engine though, which was plenty crazy enough.
Although a Stratos would be great fun! IIRC they never had anything under the bonnet crazier than a Ferrari 246 engine though, which was plenty crazy enough.
I'd much prefer a RWD V8 or Rally car over sexing up an existing model 
We already have too many new layouts of existing tracks (imho) and I wouldn't like seeing the same thing happen with cars. We already have two of each kind of closed-wheeler (and three XRs) and I think even one more XF-shaped car would be overkill.
If there was going to be a new variant instead of a whole new car I'd say work on the lonely & underpowered RB4, which definitely deserves a GTR or Rally version.
We already have too many new layouts of existing tracks (imho) and I wouldn't like seeing the same thing happen with cars. We already have two of each kind of closed-wheeler (and three XRs) and I think even one more XF-shaped car would be overkill.If there was going to be a new variant instead of a whole new car I'd say work on the lonely & underpowered RB4, which definitely deserves a GTR or Rally version.
Heh, you like my country more than I do 
Guess I'm spoiled. I'm glad you like the Adelaide street circuit better than Albert Park too (my home town, lil' Adelaide). Excellent choice, sir, and may I recommend the Penfolds 1997 St Henri Shiraz?
Good point about travel. We're on a huge island, 66% of which is uninhabitable, nowhere near anywhere (no offence to PNG, South East Asia and New Zealand) and we're from all over the place so I suppose it's natural for us to get out and see the world. You can find an Aussie collecting glasses in a bar on every continent without much trouble.
Guess I'm spoiled. I'm glad you like the Adelaide street circuit better than Albert Park too (my home town, lil' Adelaide). Excellent choice, sir, and may I recommend the Penfolds 1997 St Henri Shiraz?Good point about travel. We're on a huge island, 66% of which is uninhabitable, nowhere near anywhere (no offence to PNG, South East Asia and New Zealand) and we're from all over the place so I suppose it's natural for us to get out and see the world. You can find an Aussie collecting glasses in a bar on every continent without much trouble.
Evodorifto: I'm aware GTRs are purpose-built for tarmac racing and I'm also aware that low, slick-shod cars wouldn't be the best choice for dirt.
What I was questioning was your experience, specifically, of LFS GTR cars, not GTRs in general. Obviously only licensed LFS drivers have access to them, but perhaps you were just musing theoretically. I'm also unsure how my post displayed (in your eyes) a lack of understanding of what GTRs are, making you want to educate me
I was originally drawn to this thread by the term "GTR Class Rally Cars" to begin with. It's very confused terminology, especially for a car freak, as no such class exists
What I was questioning was your experience, specifically, of LFS GTR cars, not GTRs in general. Obviously only licensed LFS drivers have access to them, but perhaps you were just musing theoretically. I'm also unsure how my post displayed (in your eyes) a lack of understanding of what GTRs are, making you want to educate me
I was originally drawn to this thread by the term "GTR Class Rally Cars" to begin with. It's very confused terminology, especially for a car freak, as no such class exists
Dundrod's a great track and the only Irish track I've seen. Granted, I've only driven it virtually in GPL and it's just public roads, but it really is a wicked layout :up:
We were talking about Irish alcoholics - no, race tracks. That's right. Race tracks 
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The laid-back thing's sorta true. Don't quite know where it comes from. Sometimes it's just too damn hot to give a shit I guess
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A favourite joke down here is: "How do you Queenslanders spell 'beer'?" "Der, can't you read? 'XXXX' of course."The laid-back thing's sorta true. Don't quite know where it comes from. Sometimes it's just too damn hot to give a shit I guess
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They're used in US comedies so often because US viewers don't want to be troubled by anything they don't already know, or at least think they already know, and writers are happy to oblige them 
Ah, stereotypes. Too easy
As for the beers, it seems in every state there's a different name for each size glass. Schooner means a half pint in Adelaide, pot means the same thing in Melbourne, pint means something which isn't actually a pint in Sydney and they don't seem to call a pint a pint either (they say schooner I think), which is plain stupid - pint is a unit of measurement, you'd think it be a bloody pint wherever you are. Then you've got midis, butchers, etc. It's bloody confusing, even to Australians (to the point where I'm not even sure I got any of that stuff right). Most people just say "I'll have a [insert brand], thanks" and reply "yeah that'll do" to whatever the barman says next
However, in Darwin, ask for a Darwin stubby and they'll hand you a 2-litre bottle, also known as a "medium".
Ah, stereotypes. Too easy
As for the beers, it seems in every state there's a different name for each size glass. Schooner means a half pint in Adelaide, pot means the same thing in Melbourne, pint means something which isn't actually a pint in Sydney and they don't seem to call a pint a pint either (they say schooner I think), which is plain stupid - pint is a unit of measurement, you'd think it be a bloody pint wherever you are. Then you've got midis, butchers, etc. It's bloody confusing, even to Australians (to the point where I'm not even sure I got any of that stuff right). Most people just say "I'll have a [insert brand], thanks" and reply "yeah that'll do" to whatever the barman says next
However, in Darwin, ask for a Darwin stubby and they'll hand you a 2-litre bottle, also known as a "medium".
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I like it when people display their stereotypes of Australians - have one look at that Simpsons episode where they go to Oz and it's just giant beers, politicians in wigs, Mad Max biker punks and no knowledge of anything but beer (Marge: Coffee! "COF-FEE!" Barman: "BE-ER?") A lot of people also think our national anthem is a song about a sheep-stealing tramp who commits suicide rather than go to jail! I can hardly blame him though - if the Victorian state cops in the 19th century were as dodgy as they are these days he did himself a favour.
Everyone's got a national stereotype (fat, loud Yank tourist with a huge camera, Hawaiian shirt and no appreciation of where he is, for example), it doesn't mean people are having a go at you when they bring it up I like it when people are ignorant of my country. It gives me a chance to make them even more ignorant by mentioning fearsome animals like drop-bears, and making up laws like "you can actually marry a sheep, but only one at a time and only in a civil ceremony". It's New Zealand that allows sheep polygamy. Buncha freaks.
Pete, much as I understand your point I honestly think you're over-reacting. You're also barkin' up the wrong coolibah tree if you expect Ian to back off and say sorry
A lot of people also think our national anthem is a song about a sheep-stealing tramp who commits suicide rather than go to jail! I can hardly blame him though - if the Victorian state cops in the 19th century were as dodgy as they are these days he did himself a favour.Everyone's got a national stereotype (fat, loud Yank tourist with a huge camera, Hawaiian shirt and no appreciation of where he is, for example), it doesn't mean people are having a go at you when they bring it up
I like it when people are ignorant of my country. It gives me a chance to make them even more ignorant by mentioning fearsome animals like drop-bears, and making up laws like "you can actually marry a sheep, but only one at a time and only in a civil ceremony". It's New Zealand that allows sheep polygamy. Buncha freaks.Pete, much as I understand your point I honestly think you're over-reacting. You're also barkin' up the wrong coolibah tree if you expect Ian to back off and say sorry
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Well, most of the reason Aussies are such good drinkers is our strong Irish lineage. Throw in English criminals, Scots and Germans and it's a wonder we can stop drinking long enough to make babies
Nah, pick on NFL or NASCAR, that tends to annoy Yanks heaps more than societal issues
Noone's getting anyone's damn jokes today eight6er, don't fret.
Aw ffs, can you not recognise a joke?
Where's the famous Irish sense of humour? Or does it vanish as soon as "the lord" gets mentioned?
Anyway, I'd say "yeah" to Dundrod but, as mentioned, it's already in GPL (two versions) so I'm satisfied :up:
Where's the famous Irish sense of humour? Or does it vanish as soon as "the lord" gets mentioned?
Anyway, I'd say "yeah" to Dundrod but, as mentioned, it's already in GPL (two versions) so I'm satisfied :up:
What a waste.
Wrecks like this always make me think of the occasional post we get here from someone bragging about their street-racing antics or the touge runs they do on their local roads. Also makes me think of this recent Melbourne wreck (link) where four kids died needlessly & stupidly in a P-plated V8 on an inbound freeway. To be honest, these wrecks also make me remember some of the silly shit I managed to get away from unscathed when I was a kid...
Wrecks like this always make me think of the occasional post we get here from someone bragging about their street-racing antics or the touge runs they do on their local roads. Also makes me think of this recent Melbourne wreck (link) where four kids died needlessly & stupidly in a P-plated V8 on an inbound freeway. To be honest, these wrecks also make me remember some of the silly shit I managed to get away from unscathed when I was a kid...
Bathurst is one of my favourites IRL (and in GPL) but I think the top section across the mountain would be the scene of much carnage - that's if you could get through T1 unscathed. But that's pickup racing for ya. Bathurst would definitely rock for league & competition races :up: If we had that track though, we'd need a 5.0L V8 600hp RWD beast to do it justice ...
Lime Rock Park would be a great addition imho: short with great turns and a brilliant back section up & down a steep hill leading onto a nice front straight, it's a track I never get sick of despite its smallness. It's infinitely hotlappable and I think it would be quite popular on pickup servers in pretty much any LFS car except the bigger open-wheelers. TBO, FBM, FOX or UF/XFR battles there would be epic
It certainly lends itself to some awesome close racing in GPL.
Lime Rock Park would be a great addition imho: short with great turns and a brilliant back section up & down a steep hill leading onto a nice front straight, it's a track I never get sick of despite its smallness. It's infinitely hotlappable and I think it would be quite popular on pickup servers in pretty much any LFS car except the bigger open-wheelers. TBO, FBM, FOX or UF/XFR battles there would be epic
It certainly lends itself to some awesome close racing in GPL.Balls. The Milky Way's ok with its lovely fluffy, um, whatever that stuff is, but it doesn't have Mars's rich vein of caramel! Got somethin' against caramel, hippy? 
Whatever planet lerts is from must be pretty interesting.
However, being a demo driver, your experience of GTRs would be minimal at the most and more than likely purely theoretical anyway, right?
Thanks Inouva, many many people have indeed asked for decent rally cars before, oddly enough (me included).
Thanks Inouva, many many people have indeed asked for decent rally cars before, oddly enough (me included).
-400 billion for new layouts on existing venues, especially bloody Aston. How many times should a driver be expected to go through the same sections in a different order or direction? South City, Fern Bay and Bloody Aston have been done to death (while Westhill remains untouched, interestingly enough). The lack of new venues is a large part of the reason I hardly race anymore - sure, a new config's a new challenge, but only for a couple of laps. The corners being used are still the same radius, same camber, same grip & same speed and memorising the new order is nothing like the challenge of learning a whole new track. I know I don't speak for everyone but I do know there are quite a few people who feel the same. Of course, I love the tracks we have but I can only enjoy driving the same sections for so long.
Being open to having your mind changed by evidence is basically the scientific process in a nutshell and you don't have to be an academic for that (I'm certainly not) :up: Any scientist worth his salt is happy to have his mind changed, even if the evidence disproves his own theories. We learn nothing if we learn nothing new. That's the core of science: discovery and knowledge through observation, prediction & experimentation. There's absolutely no faith involved either: faith is redundant when you obtain evidence.
It seems, going by what Becky wrote about the UK anyway, that the issue of environmentalism has been appropriated entirely into global warming/climate change parlance instead of the wider approach that makes a bit more sense. Simply using less power & water and using those resources more intelligently when you do use them; smarter waste disposal/recycling; ensuring corporate polluters do more to reduce their impact and face serious penalties for deliberate breaches etc, all those things seem to get scant mentions next to people talking about hybrid cars in order to save the world's ice caps - hybrids which use as much energy to make in the first place as a normal car and contain just as many non-reuseable materials. I really think the environmental focus everywhere should start on people's immediate surroundings, starting with their home and what it produces/consumes, and spread outward slowly, as opposed to giving people the dauntingly huge task of saving the planet by driving a goddam Prius. Blaming people who drive cars for wrecking the planet is a simple method for the government/business sector to divert attention away from what they themselves are not doing to reduce their impact. It's also handy in getting people to consume "green" products in enormous numbers.
I'm sort of apathetic about Global Warming (and I've said so before on this forum): whether it's all our fault or merely a stage in a very long climate cycle is irrelevant, we still need to pay attention to what we take from the world as well as the crap we fill it with; we still need to preserve as much of what's left of our wilderness as possible; we need to give a shit about where our kids are going to live. That's environmentalism for me - an approach where you care enough to assess your personal impact on the world and start from there. None of this narrow-focus car-blaming bullshit. Pitting car lovers against car blamers is another corporate/government method of keeping peoples' minds on petty crap (like buying new things such as underpowered ugly hybrid cars) when they themselves could be leading the way with real solutions.
I'm sort of apathetic about Global Warming (and I've said so before on this forum): whether it's all our fault or merely a stage in a very long climate cycle is irrelevant, we still need to pay attention to what we take from the world as well as the crap we fill it with; we still need to preserve as much of what's left of our wilderness as possible; we need to give a shit about where our kids are going to live. That's environmentalism for me - an approach where you care enough to assess your personal impact on the world and start from there. None of this narrow-focus car-blaming bullshit. Pitting car lovers against car blamers is another corporate/government method of keeping peoples' minds on petty crap (like buying new things such as underpowered ugly hybrid cars) when they themselves could be leading the way with real solutions.
If fantasy had any power at all (other than the power to warp perfectly decent minds), the Bible and every other holy book would be true, fundamentalists would rule the world in some kind of religious dictatorship and I'd be in a lot of trouble.
If there were rules about what fantasies people could write, we never would have had heard of you, Lerts.
With ninja haiku
In great anticipation
I wait for the lock
In great anticipation
I wait for the lock
We're descended from British low-life chav thugs, football hooligans and thieving pikey bastards. What do you expect?
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