LFS was mentioned by the Dan Greenawalt (Game Director of the Forza Motorports series) in the latest edition of Auto Sim Sport (Volume 4, Number 3, Page 53). (www.autosimsport.net). It is a very brief reference but he says he prefers LFS over rFactor

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I've played some rFactor, but I'm a bigger fan of Live for Speed.

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Given that ~80% of dirfters are complete arseholes without the slightest regard for others

...and 80% of the people who replied to this post aren't? the OP didn't attack anyone or call anyone names...all he was saying is that drifting takes a little more finesse and skill than most think...he never said drifting is great, he just said it is in a different league because it isn't about how fast you get from A to B, it's the style in which you do it...

Did any of you actually read his post or did you just see the thread title and jump on the 'hate' bandwagon?

this community has such a short fuse...and is quite hypocritical at times...

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lulz. a strait jacket would work better.

yeah...people who depend on that stuff shouldn't be behind the wheel to begin with...

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They still need to factor the torque's shock factor on the drivetrain. In my mustang if I don't heal and toe, the rear tires will chirp, and it sounds rough on the rear end.

its rough on more than just the rear end. Your entire drivetrain is screaming at you, hehe

You're going to want go get a wheel or some other kind of controller with a more variable input because it is a wee bit difficult to control some of the more powerful cars with a keyboard and mouse. i'm not saying you can't master it with a bit of practice...it's just easier to pick up with a controller that has some kind of analog input.

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So, would I just pay with it saying pound, and then my creditcard/paypal will just convert the money to bills?

yup...just pay for it like you normally would and the exchange rate is automatically calculated

well, due to popular demand by popps258...here is our new oval:



I really wanted pink...but I could only find green

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As for you Laudi, stop bringing other conversaions into this discussion and dont tell me/advise me what to do either. period.

generally has ovals...and you can make your own too...ever give that a try? how about NASCAR Racing 2003...that has a bunch of ovals...

Indy Car Racing has 1 big oval and 4 cars to pick from...another modest choice...

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It does make a difference on the wear of the starter motor, when you're starting a car it is good practice to declutch.



New cars in the UK do not have this anti-idiot device for the American market.

I know it causes mechanical wear...he was talking about its electrical draw...

I was unaware that the neutral safety switch was only on our side of the pond...guess you learn something new every day

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I suppose it saves a bit of electricity as the starter motor does have to spin half the gearbox aswell as the engine with the clutch pushed in.

not really...

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No, we already had this in another thread. Only cars from countries that deem their people too stupid to handle a manual require you to push the clutch in to start the car.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... 20&highlight=ignition

so every country that exists? all new cars have a neutral safety switch...it is there to prevent damage to the vehicle and/or operator...

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For the record, the best and most humanitarian people I've ever met have all been atheists or agnostic. For some reason religion seems to make people worse, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. Surely the opposite should be true.

Seems about right...a lot of religious people are zelots and/or very opinionated.

I think the whole idea behind all of it is silly. I can't grasp the idea of following something that no one has any proof that even exists. The Bible and other religious documents are nothing more than story books that teach basic morals. If you can believe that stuff than it must be just as sane for me to believe everything Nasturdamus or Myrddin Wyllt stated in their writings.

Religion causes wars, greed, arguments and a whole slew of other negative things. To me it is nothing but false hope or a false sense of security that leads to other complications. To each their own though...that's what is great about the world...we can all have our own ideas and beleifs...I'm not looking for a debate, just stating how I feel...

You can't start a topic about religion on a public forum without someone having a different opinion that thoes above...you probably opened a can of worms by posting this thread, heh...

Quote from Shotglass :

he could at least have tried to add some humour by saying that it discriminates against people who cant turn right (or spell... or build cars that dont use leaf springs... or build cars where the steering wheel is connected to the rest of the car)

Those kind of comments get old regardless of weather they are being used in a jokingly manner or not. Grow up, I'm sure you have better things to do than sit and take pot-shots at subject that has been repeatedly beaten like a dead horse. Sorry that you feel the need to talk down upon other people/countries in order to make yourself feel superior.

That's almost as cool as this http://www.somethingawful.com/fakesa/learning_triangle/

Save your money and avoid UTI. Wyotech is a far better school/campus.

I live by the UTI campus in Phoenix and I, myself, attended Arizona Automotive Institute (which ranks higher than UTI as far as real hands on training) and both UTI and AAI are jokes. I didn't learn anything new. UTI and AAI are great schools if you don't know anything and are looking for a basic education in automotive tech but if you already are knowledgeable enough to fix cars you'll end up feeling cheated in the end.

I have friends that went to UTI and I help them fix stuff all the time because they don't know how. It's almost sad that they spent 2x more than me to go to UTI compared to what I spent to attend AAI and they still know nothing. While attending AAI I would argue with the teachers and prove their theroy wrong. I have talked to instructors from UTI and found a lot of them to just be "parts changers" who were looking to get out of the shop environment.

Bottom line is...do your homework first before you throw down $20k+ on your education. I strongly recomend against UTI and I am basing my opinion off my personal experences and my friends lack of knowledge after attending UTI...I can just look at my friends and laugh...

I hope you take my advise because I would hate to see 1 more person make the same mistake that tons of others have, including myself...

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When I start telling you what to do in your holiday, then you can tell me what to do. Until then, leave me alone.

Heh.

I'll admit that sometimes I get anxious for the next update or piece of information and get bored of the current content but I always come back. I think one of the reasons I come back is because Scawen's posts reassure me that they (the devs) obviously have a vision for the final version of LFS. He always lets everyone know there is still progress being made but is so damn mysterious in the process. I think half the fun of watching LFS 'grow' is no one really knows what is going on other than the devs. Sure, we have a basic outline of what needs to be done but there are always other surprises that come along with the to-do list we are aware of. That's how it has always been, we think we are getting 1 thing and get a surprise along with it.

Do I wish LFS would move along a little faster, hell yeah. Does it bother me that sometimes it seems to crawl at a snails pace, sometimes. Can I reassure myself that LFS is still being worked on and we still have a lot to look forward to, absolutely!

It is pretty clear that Scawen is going to do it his way and not take crap from anyone about his method. It is his 'baby' and he can do what he pleases. I think this is a concept that quite a few people need to grasp, even if it is hard to at times.

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The sad part is, some schools are starting to allow the use of this for tests and assignments. One girl wrote a whole short story like that.

It's just getting mental now.

Do you have a link to any information on that? I find that very hard to believe...

Yes, this generation is pretty poor when it comes to grammar but to allow such mistakes and not punish those who take shortcuts and ultimately 'un-educate' themselves is just plain silly. Ever seen the movie Idiocracy? (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/)

Anyways, I think this, like 99% of the other suggestions, is something that will be addressed later. In my opinion this section of the forum is almost comical at this stage of LFS development. Sure, it is great to see what people want and what the community still wants to be fixed/added but after 4+ years I think the devs have a pretty good idea of what everyone would like, or atleast what the general concensus is.

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hah, again to the whole nit picking at every sentence....

That made me chuckle...haha!

Quote from masternick :

no its not, its a form of motorsport, go read the 100 other threads about this

Then the devs should remove autocross since it isn't really racing either...

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Autocross is a form of motorsports that emphasizes safe, low-cost competition and active participation.

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Autocross is a motorsport that consists of individual timed runs through a course laid out (using traffic cones) on a concrete or asphalt surface. The object is to drive through the course as fast as possible without missing any gates or hitting any cones.

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Most autocrossers are driving enthusiasts who enjoy motorsports competition. In fact, a large percentage of participants do not even own a "racecar"! They race the car they drive on the street. Some autocrossers are serious road race drivers who want to practice technique. Most are like you and me: laypeople with an itch for speed!

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Autocross is a sport of trying to navigate your car through a defined course of pylons usually on a large parking lot, faster than your competition. Autocross courses are set up using soft orange traffic pylons which will not damage your car.

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Autocross is a branch of motorsport that involves driving a motor car on a loose surface circuit against the clock. The fastest time in each class will win an award and the fastest time of the day will take a special award.

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An autocross is a form of motorsport competition that focuses on car control over outright speed and horsepower. The events are generally held in parking lots where pylons are arranged to form a tight, twisting course.

Quote from darkinertia :

sorry, i've been roaming around the forums and I'm really tired of seeing nit picky people breakdown every word in the English language and every sentence a person says to make their ego that much bigger.

heh, it does get old...

I really don't see where the "this is a racing simulator" argument is valid when it comes to drifting...drifting is a form of racing, is it not? Just like drag racing is a form of racing...or tractor pulls...and so on...

While I agree that cruising is pretty lame and there isn't a need for a bunch of identical cruising servers to clutter the server list...there is no reason that people can not do what they like inside the application...they paid for it just like everyone else so why can't they drive their little virtual car around the track anyway they want...it's not like they are bothering anyone or hurting anything...

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You have NEVER had to copy files over a lan then rotf.

There are well know and WELL reported issues with Vista file manipulation over a LAN and this has STILL not been resolved in SP1.

How the hell does MS expect companies to move to Vista when it will lock up explorer and climb up its own arse just trying to even look at a LAN based directory with more than a handful of files in it.

Please do not try to make out this issue does not exist. It does and if you want proof fly down to NZ and I will demo it for you or just google a little.

My XP box can read/write to the same LAN dir easy, vista locks the shell but 1 in 20 I might get a dir listing. This is what happens when people think its wise to clean room the Network stack again from scratch. It will take YEARS to get right again as is normal with complex sysstems.

Probably one of the many reasons for Intels COMPLETE rejection of Vista.

Google "vista lan hang" and you over 1 million results, do the same with "vista hand" and its over 5 million. That is a lot of results considering you are telling me Vista is 100% perfect lol.

As I said Vista has serious issues. Your use of LIMITED parts of the OS might not have shown them but do not pretend they are not there

...my limited use? you don't even know what I do for a living so how about we stop assuming things.

I never said Vista didn't have issues, I said I have had 0 issues...I just find it funny how 99% of my customers have no problems with it and always thank me for pushing them to use it over XP. The only ones who have issues are those who are trying to use hardware/software that is older than time and needs to be updated/replaced anyway.

I transfer TONS of data over our network here at our office and have yet to see the network hang issue, I know it exists but I have yet to experience it for myself...and yes, the folders have data in them...most of them have 60GB+ of data in them...none of my friends/family/clients have had a chance to see this issue either...

We even just did a pretty large dentist office that has 4 front desk systems, 4 office systems, 30 opitories, central domain controller and 2 imaging systems...they really wanted Vista even though we recommended against it...they have been operational for a little over 6 months now and have had no issues, I have yet to hear one complaint from them, only praise...their patient and imaging database is over 450GB and gets larger every day...

Like wien said, companies are not rejecting Vista because it 'sucks'...they are rejecting it because there is no benefit of upgrading. It is simple economics...if it ain't broke why fix it? Things do, however, age and become outdated...do you honestly think everyone is going to use XP till the end of time? I guess we should all still be using NT4...

Again, I never said Vista doesn't have any problems...I said I have had zero issues and 99% of my clients have had zero issues and when they do it is either something they did to break Windows or some kind of hardware/software issue that is unrelated to Vista...

Another quality patch

The new interiors are very appealing and the tweaked CoGs make the XRT much more fun to drive, imo.

I think LFS is and continues to be the best game I can play at work on my laptop

Keep up the good work guys, I'm really looking forward to the next installment!

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If you've done your homework can you please prove this?

I like Vista but in 99% of cases XP is faster...

http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72298

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302499,00.asp

If you google around you can find more comparisons...its more like 50% of the time...if you compare all the tests XP and Vista end up being about the same...there isn't a single test where vista is spanked by xp...

Blah blah blah...when will the "Vista Sucks" argument end? Vista sucks just as bad as XP did when it first came out, remember all the issues? Probably not...I guess it is Microsoft's fault that Vista was put on systems that didn't hardly meet the system requirements ...the rants about Vista could be said about any operating system on subpar hardware...

I've been using Vista since its release and have had 0 (ZERO) issues with it other than a few driver issues that are not even Microsoft's fault. Stop blaming Microsoft for other people's problems. Do your homework before you go blaming Vista for problems that hardware manufactures caused...Microsoft want's to avoid that with windows 7 and that's why they already rolled out the 'guidelines' for manufactures drivers and software...

If you did your homework you'd find that Vista is actually faster (it may be marginal, but it is still faster) than XP when it comes to a lot of stuff...including gaming...so there goes the argument of 'Vista is slow', right out the window...

Anyways...

PPU would be awesome for cones and other obsticles...and that's about it...maybe the flags...

Multi-Core would give a larger benefit over a PPU in LFS. PPU is just too restrictive as far as what can be done...it will thrive in other generes of games but I don't think it ever will take off in the simulation market...

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@Alex_Tiger:
As I said in an earlier post in this thread, cheap cars are cheap because they're cheap. If you want a fast car, you don't buy a cheap car. All "tuners" do is slap go-fast parts onto a shitty car. There's not really much engineering behind what they do, since most of it is trial and error. If they aren't using T&E, they're following what someone else did before them. Again, no engineering, just wrenching. Also, that money could have easily gone into a much nicer car to begin with.

so...by me taking my cheap pick-up and dropping a 450HP LS2 into it...that makes me a ricer? taking something slow and making it fast makes you a ricer? if no one did that we'd all be driving around in briggs and stratton powered golf carts...because, after all, who wants or needs to go fast?

you're logic sucks...anyone who goes out and buys a cheap, 'crappy' foxbody mustang and drops a little money into it is a ricer, even if it runs 11s in the 1/4 mile? your logic says that anyone who does anything to a car unless it is deemed a 'super car' or meets some magical level where it is acceptable to work on is a ricer...

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It's a nice patch overall.

But I get the feeling that during the creation/update of the UFR interior they got an Email notification to say that someone bought a S2 licence, and they all went out to the pub or something.

That's the only thing I dislike about this patch - the UFR. Which was my fave car, is now my most hated.

There is just not enough details on it.

It looks like you've just deleted it all, added one shadow, spread it across the whole dash - and just smacked on two gauges. Not good enough if you ask me - *shrugs*

If you dig though the forum you'll see that the UFR is not complete yet...so don't frett

Exterior stickers: 50HP per sticker
Interior stickers: 500HP per sticker