Quote from thisnameistaken :

I think when you get large groups of people, particularly when they belong to minority ethnic groups, who are mostly living in poverty and feel that they don't have any political power, stuff like this is going to happen. Clearly these people don't feel any sense of ownership of their own neighbourhoods or they wouldn't be causing destruction like this.

...but what about the less wealthy minority ethnic groups who came out to defend their community and defend their property? For example, the Turkish community of Dalston. They don't need youth groups to stop them rioting. What ever happened to personal responsibility?

First it was the fact the poor didn't have healthcare, education and welfare that caused disruption. They have all that and still we get disruption and chaos because some youth clubs have closed down? I think people need to wake up a bit. What we are witnessed is opportunist criminals. They've seen a window of opportunity to nick a load of stuff without consequence.

Last edited by Intrepid, Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:43.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/v ... n-riots-london?CMP=twt_gu

Don't **** with the Turks

Apparently there are scores of the Turkish community in Dalston coming out to protect their property.

Sky reported an old lady who witnessed young men in her house attempting a robbery. This is the essence of WTF!

Well with my gold I've just hired an wood armed security team ... and thus society is reborn

We are merely humans and by our very nature our very violent. It's no surprise when things like this occur, it's just unusual when there doesn't seem to be any real political purpose. It's just out and out theft.

There is no real solution. Big states cause a mass dependence on the state which then leads to economic ruin and small states breed a class of people who feel abandoned. We will always arrive at this point. But not all these rioters are poor disaffected kids. There's a lot of opportunist thiefs, plain and simple.

Apparently they're getting their 'taxes back' though - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXcI-NL3Tro ?? eh??

Last edited by Intrepid, Mon, 8 Aug 2011 22:42.

Quote from 5haz :

You just tarred possibly 1000+ people with the same brush, and you expect me to take you seriously?

You did exactly the same thing blaming the 80s for this mess. You tarred them all with the same brush saying they are a product of the 80s. I am just highlighting a floor in that argument as there is floors in many political arguments regarding these riots.