Could be broken from the previous contact.

Carnage - good
casa de mi padre - for ferrel hardcore fans

Quote from tristancliffe :

Hamilton crashes into a few people and acts like a retard - people think he's great.
Vettel drives a race car faster and better than most whilst remaining a decent bloke - somehow not good enough?

Easy there. Are we forgetting Turkey (2010?), Spa (2010?), Abu Dhabi (2012 )? He's has his fair share of PR **** ups. When you have a car that can qualify 1 second ahead of the rest it's easier to avoid close battles. It's that he is much more of a media darling and knows how to play the game far better than Hamilton. That there is no doubt.

Vettel will always have the shadow of Newey hanging over in, hence why there are many doubters. Whether that bothers him or not, who knows? When you're racking up the WDCs who gives a shit. Maybe he might have to do a Hamilton, and leave the cradle. he can't suckle on the ample breast of Newey's genius forever.

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Quote from DejaVu :

Lovely Lap by Lewis Shame about the vid quality

What vid? Can't see anyone linked on here?

Anyway just in case - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqG-U2XeWgo

Davidson's point at the end is rather telling, especially for someone who's good friends with Button.

I can imagine the shareholders at McLaren asking some serious questions!

On a slight side note can't help thinking Hamilton and Alonso are doing good job of psyching Vettel out. Alonso doesn't refer to Vettel much, rather than 'the car' or flat out says Newey is the real genius. Hamilton came out with saying he doesn't consider Vettel in the same league as Alonso. Seemed to show a tad today with vettel over-driving. Despite penalty the championship is still going his way.

How much is the new PC going to set you back?

Hi Guys

Just interested me to find out how much you guys spend on sim racing. So extra components for computers, better monitors, FF wheels, etc...

Also, does anyone know the average spend on iRacing if you were to get every track and car etc...?

Quote from Funnybear :

Look, It's a war of symantics. My mate works for lotus, can't tell you in what position, but the stories he tells, it makes your blood boil.

wouldn't make mine boil. I've spoken to 'F1 guys' and they can tell you more than a few occasions of teams bending the rules and manipulating the game. Some of which would change your view of the history of the sport. That's the sport really, it's bloody ruthless. The only disingenuous part of the sport is the coverage of the drivers compared to the real stars/competitors - the engineers.

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Quote from Funnybear :

Red Bull win, because Red Bull effectivly cheat. Lotus has the fastest 'effective' car within the scope of the rules. And even they arn't allowed to use 'legal' updates because they've been old that even a .5 advantage will see that 'legal' advance banned.

Red Bull use soft options that can't be officially brought to book, because there can be no definative proof.

Look at the timing values race after race. Free practice times invariable go to Mclaren, Ferrari, Lotus and Mercedes. They are your benchmark and when you look at their lap times it's only a few hundreths between them on any given sunday. Whilst Red Bull will continuously post sunday times .5 and above of a second faster than the competition.

They are known in the industry to cheat, the governing body knows they cheat. Lotus is arguable the first 'honest' team out there in the standings, and they are not allowed to become competative by honest means.

F1 is dying. F1 is rigged. Roll on V8 Supercars. At least they are actually racing, even if the politics is the same.

It really ticks me off when teams are accusing of 'cheating'. eeerrr... this is F1, this is how the game works.

For sure, the FIA should make sure it does everything it can so all the teams play by the rules, but in my book once the car gets through pre and post-race scrutineering that's all that needs to be done.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Homeland second season nailing it..

Can't help feeling the story has finally ran out of steam for me. Just getting a bit stupid now.

Started watching the Wire though, that's a series and a half

The reason he isn't considered a 'great' is his success has been coincided with the recognition of the genius of Adrian Newey. Alonos can win 'despite of the Ferrari' and Hamilton can win 'despite of his Mclaren team' (and it has to be recognised had McLaren not completely ****ing up at every available oppurtunity this year Hamilton would have had a healthy lead in the championship). Vettel wins 'because of newey'. That's just the general perception. And really it's all meaningless drivel to fill collumns in magazines.

Possibly, but FF will have to cut the costs dramatically either way. Though that is off-set slightly by the extra coverage FF will get next year with ITV4.

What is it with new cars and dodgy build quality recently? Everyone said the same about the new F Renault car hence its demise.

Was only a matter of time. But by the looks of it F4 has stolen the thunder.

Let's play a game. How long do you think this driver was banned for? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA_E1qRVt7I

another suspension failure in two consecutive races... how strange.

This year has been a perfect demonstration of how to lose the championship with the best driver and best car by McLaren. If you look through the season it is a truly remarkable thing. They remind of the England football team - they can lose from any given situation

Unfortunately for Lewis he is going to a worse team... lol

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**warning** Lewis Hamilton on Twitter **warning**

Those who don't like to cringe I suggest you don't look.

Cock up after cock up.. f**k the kid can drive, but will someone please take his phone and bury it far far far away... preferably Mars.

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Had a race with a couple of the BTCC guys Friday night. There was me thinking they'd cause carnage and it was me getting a black flag when I smashed into the leader going for P1 (as you do. It was wet and we were on slicks)

Anyone check the size of the BARC Renault grid? 32-34 in today's cash strapped scene. That's amazing.

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Quote from el pibe :

some of them could have been injured if they were standing on the inside of the corner anyway.

Well the inside of that corner is the outside of the one preceding it. Of course you can't always been Mr H&S but I can't see why some people are a bit more smart with where they decide to stand when watching rally.

Quote from MAGGOT :

Wait, that's a thing? How the hell does that work?

it's a faith based competition. These guys apparently fly around the world and try to spot as many different species of birds as they can and they note them down. There's no way to verify results, but it's all done on a gentleman's agreement type thing.

I don;t understand why people stand on the outside of corners if there is no proper protection.

Quote from Töki (HUN) :

The dictator.

Most hilarious movie I've seen so far. Epic.

Major disappointment in my opinion. Just not many laughs for me, and usually I go for those sort of films.

Quote from samjh :

Pretty sure this is permanent retirement. The old fire was never lit when he came back. IMHO, he should never have come out of retirement.

If he wants to keep racing, maybe he should move on to Le Mans. He has experience in endurance racing from his younger days, and it's probably a far lighter commitment than F1 (ie. more time with family, etc).

Why?

What quite a large chunk of people fail to realise about people like Schumacher is that the instinct that makes them comeback is the instinct that made them so good it he first place.

The search of new challenges and new accomplishments and not to sit on what has already been achieved is the difference between your 7 times world champs and 1 time world champions.

Quote from Bawbag :

The merc turns into the BMW then after the contact keeps turning, clearly intentional, probably still too close to call and will be deemed a racing incident, doesn't take away the intent.

I don't know about that, certainly not clearly intentional. When there is contact that directly affects the front wheels and then consequently upsetting the car's balance as well as driver input , it can occasionally looks as if someone is intentionally doing something when in fact they are not at all. We also have to factor in possible steering arm/suspension damage in the initial collision etc...

But it's a racing incident. IMO the BMW should have been a bit more careful on the cut back. At the first point of contact he was asking for trouble, intentional or not. After T1 at Donington the natural inclination is to curve to the right. He kept his car pretty straight. Just pointless. Don't risk it.

I don't see any intention. Just a racing incident. The guy on the outside didn't have anywhere to go. The nature of the contact and viewing angle made it look intentional. The BMW should have been much smarter.

I'd keep Massa. Why interfere with Alonso? Just have a #2 he can definitely beat. Having competitive team mates gets you no where unless your car is sufficiently dominant that the WCC is a formality.

Could be going from bad to worse for Hamilton - http://www.pitpass.com/47448-N ... -scrapped-says-Ecclestone

Sign for Merc, suddenly his McLaren picks up serious and consistent pace with Merc being nowhere, then his hopes for Merc in 2014 could be blown apart....

It certainly makes F1 'interesting' but you can't help feeling this has got disaster written all over it.