The article is so heavily bias it's almost pointless reading. It's as pointless as reading the Guardian or Daily Mail. the article presents things as facts, when they clearly aren't.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Fascist would be passing new laws that allow him to do things the system doesn't otherwise allow/didn't originally intend for him to do. What he's done is use every available legal resource to sidestep the worst congress in ages, which has no interest in getting anything done.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ ... -the-worst-congress-ever/

Why is it considered a failure when a government doesn't introduce new laws... in my opinion that should be considered a ****ing success

Quote from DeKo :

He is right that both of the parties are extremely right wing. Of the political parties in the UK, the Tories are clearly the most right wing of the mainstream, yet they are absolutely nowhere near as far right as even the Democrats. It's almost like it's an extreme reaction to Communism, to go the complete opposite direction.

The Republicans are hardly free-market libertarians. And the Democrats are not 'extremely' right-wing. I think the democrats wouldn't object to an NHS style healthcare system if they think they could convince the public, which they can't. Mind you the 'political spectrum' is not an exact science e.g libertarianism is as left-wing as it is right.

Last edited by Intrepid, Sat 18 Aug 2012, 10:29.

Is a bit odd. Super socialist country welcomes uber-capitalist F1 team lol

Spent 4 days in Las Vegas watching Schumacher, Wheldon (interviewed him for the second time. Everything you heard about him being an awesome person was true) and best karters in the world race in the Rio's car park. not joking - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAnXp_L6RjI

Every BBC One now Emili Sande Concert is on.

I think the artistic director has a crush!

Quote from sinbad :

Good to see a challenge to African dominance of distance running. Well....in a manner of speaking. Rupp's second to Farah in the 10k is perhaps more impressive. We shouldn't be shocked that giving African born athletes the advantages of European training could bring success.

Also: Bolt is the man. That is all.

Last year Mo Farah moved to America to improve his training. #GoTeamGB hehe

Last edited by Intrepid, Sat 11 Aug 2012, 21:56.

Just to clear it up. The guy in the blue kart was a team mate of the guy who was leading the race. The guy leading the race was in a championship fight with the guy who was int he black kart. So basically the guy in the blue kart had to mess up the guy in the black karts race so his team-mate was champion.

Even with that in mind he didn't do anything that deserved a flurry of punches.

Quote from vipex123 :

Not sure about abroad rules, but in the UK an assault on another driver is 6 points on license, a fine and an exclusion from the meeting. But as it takes 12 points to have a license taken away I think it's a little wrong that you can effectively attack another driver and have no serious consequences, as it has been said above - assault is a criminal offence. Plus these guys are meant to be at the top of karting.. God am I happy I got out of Karting when I did.

Well after this latest **** up I can't disagree at all with you. Very difficult to be a karting supporter right now. Amateur hour.

As for punishment don't expect any... yes... no punishment other than DSQ from the weekend (which is the equivalent of weighing in .5 underweight in the two scoring finals0)

Yep, it decided the championship.

That's Jordon Lennox-Lamb. He races for CRG in KZ2. As of yet I have heard of no punishment other than DSQ from that specific race weekend. I'd be extremely surprised if it ends there.

Last edited by Intrepid, Wed 8 Aug 2012, 22:19.

In the mean time that Grenada lad is rapid

Quote from tristancliffe :

Just because it happens in professional sport doesn't make it right. Would the Arnoux/Villeneuve battle have been anywhere near as good if the driver in front had moved off line to block the overtakes? Would <insert suitable football match from the bygone era> have been as good if <insert footballer's name> had fallen to get a penalty? Was Peter Collins WRONG to hand his car over and sacrifice his championship to help Fangio because he felt Fangio deserved it more?

I think professional sport ought to learn some values from amateur sport.

One could argue Fangio's behavior was entirely unsportsmanlike. He took advantage of having a subservient team-mate while other rivals may not have had such a luxury.

And Arnoux/Villeneuve contained some very dirty driving in my opinion -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... =player_detailpage#t=117s - Arnoux tries to ram Villeneuve off and then continues to cut the track. Then Villeneuve just drives straight at the apex when Arnoux was blatantly there and smashed into him, though Arnoux should have already conceded position because he cut the track. But the contact there should have left them both out of the GP. That is far from gentlemanly driving.

So it depends how you view these things.

But if you point is professional sport needs to be more amateur like then fair enough, that's perfectly reasonable.

Last edited by Intrepid, Mon 6 Aug 2012, 22:07.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Personally I think gentlemanly conduct and sportsmanship should come before anything, even if that means limiting your chances of success. This applies to motorsport (blocking people behind you from overtaking for example), athletics, football, court sports etc etc. "Win at all costs" is such a juvenile mindset.

Agreed... if you are talking about amateur sport.

But professional sport is an entirely different ball game, and you know that. Many athletes are employees who are paid to win. That's their actual job. It isn't to hold up some belief about sportsmanship, or to be gentlemanly. I'd be rather shocked if Fernando Alonso's contract included a clause that said 'at all times sportsmanship must come before anything'.

Of course there are times where an athlete must draw the line. For example, Nelson Piquet at Singapore. But that demonstrates how much pressure some athletes are put under. And as we know about Alonso still regards that as a win. sportsman like or gentlemanly? I don't think so!

Are you seriously suggesting Tristan that if you were being paid millions to race in F1 for a top team and living the dream you wouldn't push the rules on occasion? You wouldn't maybe over-defend a tad if the F1 championship was on the line? Maybe you recognised the car that maybe wasn't entirely legal (questionable at best) but could pass FIA scrutineering... you'd dob in your own team?

The reasons these issues arise is because the Olympics has become a professional sport entity.

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

You don't know anything about me.

I know you're not an Olympic athlete.

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

I don't believe that is representative of the human condition. Also, you wouldn't be left unemployed for four years. Athletes can go and get a job if they are failures in sport, like all you other lazy cowardly cheats who would answer "yes" to your question.

I suggest you stop watching motorsport immediately then, but you won't. Who's the coward?

btw I didn't condone cheating, I just said you do all you possibly can to win. If it means upsetting a few people and their childish view of the world then so what? Slightly push the rules or spend the rest of your life stacking shelves? Easy easy easy easy answer. And don't fortget some sportsman's success may be the difference between their whole sport getting funding. It's not JUST about them and their own success. But of course you wouldn't see that, you don't and never wil understand the pressures some of these guys face,

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Quote from troy :

Some idiot throwing a beer bottle just before the start:

#proudtobebritish

But seriously what a nobber

Pretty mad when a 9.63 is disappointing Easy a mi .5 if he had a better reaction but new false start rules are wank

Quote from The Moose :

Only Intrepid could fail to be proud to be British after that lot

I don't associate being British with being able to do well in a few running races. This #proudtobebritish stuff is beyond cringeworthy. I feel happiness for the athletes who do well and work hard, but pride? meh, err... no. I don't feel entirely comfortable when you see the state of the child care system in the UK and then witness the Gov pissing 20Bn on a sports event. Nothing truly to be proud of at all.

Last edited by Intrepid, Sun 5 Aug 2012, 16:46.

Quote from The Moose :

The objective is to win gold whilst playing fair

I'd like to see you take the attitude when those who paying the bills demand golds otherwise you lose funding. And playing fair to me is is doing everything to win that doesn't include a DSQ.

Quote from Crashgate3 :

So someone who bribes the judges is 'a great sportsperson' who was just doing what it takes to get the gold, and should be congratulated for embracing the Spirit of the Games and for thinking outside the box?

Bribing the judges is clearly against the rules and I haven't said anything againt better rule enforcement. But I have absolutely no trouble with sportsmen bending the rules or flying close to the wind. Everyone seems to forget that these sports... 'people'... are having millions spent on them and their livelihoods depend on their performance. I wouldn't think twice about screwing you or anyone over with a bit of unsportmen-like behavour. Dog eat dog.

The objective is to get gold. Not to play fair and be all nicey nicey buddy buddy be my friiiieeennnndddd nonsense.

Quote from The Very End :

Well then I guess we just have a different veiw of what is a GREAT sportman.
And actually, I think drawing parallells to a game is very much of a point, because it proves the way people thinks, and in my eyes - divides the good from the great.

I'm not talking about 'great sportsman'. I'm talking about the realities of sport.