Yeah, moved there late last year. Lammers is back at Intrepid now too
WSK Euro Series R2 Final 2 Onboard Some proper good hard racing 
Well we can argue all the day about that but since 2009 Vettel has enjoyed at worst the 'equal best' car on the grid. In retrospect he may have blown the 2009 title too. Unless we see him out of RedBull, or up against a decent team-mate there'll always be doubts. I must add that these doubts are irrelevant as championships are what really count.
But RedBull are protecting him, because they could have had Hamilton this year. But they didn't want to upset their little baby and kept Webber, someone who they know he can easily beat.
I don't recall Schumacher ever disobeying any team orders (I recall him playing the team role for Irvine in 1999) so this wasn't Vettel trying to be like him. This is on a whole new level. Schumi integrated himself within the team to help dictate the direction of orders, but I don't ever recall him ever thinking he was above the guys on the on the pit wall. I just don't think Schumacher was THAT arrogant as to disobey team orders.
And yes it would be nice to see Vettel in a car not designed by a freakin' genius. But I guess it's easier for Vettel to take the easy route. it's a shame because it would be nice to see how he compares against a decent team mate in an average car.
And yes it would be nice to see Vettel in a car not designed by a freakin' genius. But I guess it's easier for Vettel to take the easy route. it's a shame because it would be nice to see how he compares against a decent team mate in an average car.
So Vettel got off then. So, in the end, it was worth making Horner and co look like amateurs.
May I remind you bunch of numpties that F1 teams with their gigantic resources and massive brains still struggle massively getting a barely accurate tyre model sorted for their simulations.
trying to create an accurate tyre model takes years to get right. deal with it
trying to create an accurate tyre model takes years to get right. deal with it
When you have drivers complaining that they are basically in 'cruise' mode for most of the race in what's supposed to be the pinnacle of motorsport, then I think there's a problem. I think it's mind-numbing watching drivers save tyres. If there was a mix with Hamilton at one end and button at the other, then fine... but not ALL drivers doing exactly the same thing. But admittedly if you want 'action' packed races with a formula that's massively dependant on aero then these are the extremes you have to take.
Schumacher went to a struggling team to bring them glory. Right now Vettel just suckles for survival on the genius tit of Adrian Newey. Worship Senna? haha please... I'm one of only a few people I know who think Senna the Movie was a rose-tinted pile of shit.
wtf are you on about with the war stuff?
we watch it because it's a soap opera for men.
The Guardian quoted Hamilton as saying he told Brawn that he could let Nico through (I assume after his little DRS **yawn** battle). Brawn said "no, do as I say". That's a team boss right there.
The Guardian quoted Hamilton as saying he told Brawn that he could let Nico through (I assume after his little DRS **yawn** battle). Brawn said "no, do as I say". That's a team boss right there.
1. What are you talking about. This has nothing to do with the rules of combat.
2. Yes, I missed watching Senna live by one year. Goddamit I must be a baby because of that fact. God, if only I had watched him one year earlier I would have been a fountain of all Senna knowledge.
3. What are you talking about?
4. Yes, Webber was naughty there and took an unneccesary risk
5. Above point doesn't placate Vettel's actions
Fact is Vettel decided his interests were above those of his team and the hundreds, if not thousands of quite commonly under-paid workers who design and build HIS car. A car which has allowed him to gain 3x WDC and earn a pretty penny... something the people WHO ACTUALLY MAKE THE CAR don't enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykG06ixh92c
Didn't see this in Sky or BBC coverage Incredibly stupid from Webber, despite what happened.
Didn't see this in Sky or BBC coverage
Incredibly stupid from Webber, despite what happened.team orders were illegal back then. What Alonso did was technically breaking the rules.... I think many understood Ferrari's stance however.
There is certainly an element of hypocrisy here from Webber BUT
What the problem is with what happened yesterday is that RBR heavily restricted the pace of Webber's car under the assumption Vettel would do that same (I don't think that is what happened in 2011 with Webber). I think what we saw was more akin to Button Vs Hamilton 2012 turkey (with less team orders on Button's side than vettel). Vettel however exploited the teams decision to turn down Webber's car for his own gain, and he was fully aware of this point. That's the crux of the issue. From a management point of view that's unforgivable.
Irrelevant to what Webber did in the past, this is a massive breach of the command structure at RBR.
What the problem is with what happened yesterday is that RBR heavily restricted the pace of Webber's car under the assumption Vettel would do that same (I don't think that is what happened in 2011 with Webber). I think what we saw was more akin to Button Vs Hamilton 2012 turkey (with less team orders on Button's side than vettel). Vettel however exploited the teams decision to turn down Webber's car for his own gain, and he was fully aware of this point. That's the crux of the issue. From a management point of view that's unforgivable.
Irrelevant to what Webber did in the past, this is a massive breach of the command structure at RBR.
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Yes they can, they won't, but they can. Kimi, Hamilton, Alonso, Rosberg etc... all would deliver championships in that car. Ask Horner - loose Newey or Vettel? we all know who he would drop in a flash.
If you just had your management position completely undermined by one of your own employees who put the whole business model in jeopardy you'd just let them off? it's irrelevant what the end result was because you have processes and risk management for a reason. That reason being to increase one's chances of success. Vettel did the exact opposite of maximising risk management for success.
If that goes unpunished, and it probably will, then Horner's position is totally undermined as is the rest of the F1 team. RedBull could have ANY driver on the grid if they wanted and still succeed. vettel couldn't succeed in any other car. The balance of power SHOULD be in RBR's hands, NOT Vettel's.
Yes, that's why RBR ordered both drivers to cool off. Over a season, generally, taking the safe option and collecting the points delivers the highest probability for success ala Alonso last year (not this year though, why did he stay out???).
Vettel decided that he would take a massive risk, ignore the team and put 45 points on the line. Winning is as much about risk management, and RBR had made the decision.
Not laughable at all. Vettel basically acted like a spoilt kid and shat all over the guys who have given him the best car for the last three years. If you consider the combined hours of work from all the work force that goes into a car compared to that of vettel, his role in the whole machine is quite small. Yet he chooses to put himself above everyone else.
Christian Horner etc... all have had their authority seriously undermined. They will look very very weak if no action is taken. I suspect no action will be taken because Vettel seems to hold quite a lot of power over them, and that in itself is quite shocking. No team should allow themselves to be put in such a vulnerable position.
I recall Schumacher playing second fiddle to Irvine back in 1999 when he made his comeback. Granted the championship was out of his grasp at that stage, but he still played the team role. Schumacher, never put himself above the team. If that benefiting or not from team orders.
On one hand I admire his ruthlessness... though I suspect it's more a total lack of respect for Webber as a driver. Which again, he has RBR to thank for having such an average team mate. When Hamilton came knocking for a seat (notice how Hamilton doesn't shy away from good team mates unlike others. maybe that's a weakness, who knows?) they kept with Webber.
Well, we don't know how controlled Hamilton's pace was earlier on in the stint. The drivers are at 80% now, so quite a few decisions are made on the pit wall with regard to fuel maps and tyres. Hamilton was pressing RedBull and putting the pressure on them. no doubt Rosberg would have benefited later on from these decisions had he been allowed to pass Hamilton. Hamilton in that sense would have been the sacrificial lamb. Though he later on admitted Rosberg drove the smarter race.
However, Rosberg had the opportunity to pass Hamilton, which he didn't successfully complete. He knew full well that there was a high probability the battle would be called off near the end of the race so if he didn't get the job done when he had the opportunity that's his own fault. No point bitching about it.
Hamilton knew that as well, and managed to finish ahead, which is the name of the game. I am not as allergic to team orders as some... this is a team game at the end of the day.
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Rosberg did go past Hamilton... two or three times... and couldn't make the pass stick. Brawn gave him ample opportunity to pass Hamilton, and when he couldn't get the job done he called off the battle.
I suspect there is a little bit of that going on. But Nico got ahead of Hamilton more than once and didn't make it stick. Some of the burden of missing an easy podium lay at nico's door.
Alonso as well. Very very loose today. Should have pitted.
Alonso as well. Very very loose today. Should have pitted.
he was still quite a few tenths of hamilton in S1 and S2 though before he caught Kimi.
pause that video at 14 seconds. Some blokes standing next to a digger in the run-off zone. ****ing mental!
Mercedes will be kicking themselves... looked good for a 1-2. Where did Rosberg's pace go?
If that were true why did they go for a whole re-design and not just follow everyone else and just develop what they had? Surely that would be the more sensible and efficient route to take? Why take such a big risk for a year where the current aero will be redundant next year? Why not race with a design you know, rather than having a piece of shit that will just de-motivate everyone all year?
McLaren seem to have fallen of a cliff, so Hamilton's move has been somewhat vindicated. Weird how good the Mercedes was on the super soft tyres but couldn't stretch to a two stopper.
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