Quote from ajp71 :

I'd call that a world champion who knows when it is best to avoid contact with a cheating bastard making a dive bomb rather than a legitimate pass. We all know what Schumacher would do and did put in the position of the outside car...

No, it's an example of a driver with enough spacial awareness to understand what racing is all about.

Quote from mythdat :

The technical regulations for each season are published well in advance and it's up to the teams to design a car that will go as fast as possible within those regulations. They all knew that the tyres would be getting even more marginal, Pirelli made that very clear. If some teams balls it up and build cars that are slow, that's their problem.

Pirelli have announced that they're going to revert to last year's tyre construction to make them more durable and I'd question how ethical (and legal, for that matter) it is to just suddenly change the regulations in the middle of the season because some teams have discovered that some other teams have done a better job designing their cars than they have

Now I agree that changing the tyres is necessary, but for next season, not now. Changing them now isn't much different from saying, "oh, McLaren and Mercedes have designed cars that lack downforce this season, let's ban front and rear wings for the rest of the season".

What you describe really isn't F1. It's a game of politics, not the 'spirit' of sporting and technical regulations. If the teams don't like that, that's .... their problem.

The tyres are a product of demand, that demand being more entertaining races. If the races aren't entertaining, then it is Pirelli's job.... no... duty... to change the tyres to improve the show. This is very very very clear. This was clear day one.

The teams knew in advance compounds and so on could be changed mid-season. It was a very plausible possibility after the Barcelona test highlighted that we could be seeing too many pitstops and too higher deg.

If it is somehow within the sporting and technical regulations that Pirelli can change compounds and structure (which I believe it is) then this move is 'part of the sport' and the teams just have to 'deal with it' because it's the 'same for everybody'

I don't particulary like the current tyres, nor do I like the fact we ahave a tyre manufacturer can manipulate the championship in this way, but it IS part of the sport, and it IS legal, and that means the teams just have to get on and live with it.

Last edited by Intrepid, Wed 15 May 2013, 09:09.

Quote from CrAZySkyPimp :

Please, anyone can see that you are from a mile away

OK, if you want to believe that that's fine. I thought the tyre situation was terrible even when Hamilton had a decent car last year.

but I am talking about from a sporting/language perspective. Anybody with even the briefest understanding of how F1 works would see where I am coming from and how stupid people sound when they infer it's somehow unfair Pirelli are changing to the tyres. And the fact all you can attack me with is some comment about Hamilton shows either you lack the understanding of what I am saying, or having no arguement against it.

Quote from CrAZySkyPimp :

You are one mad Hamilton fan

Who mentioned Hamilton? This has nothing to do with Hamilton.

It's the stupid argument people use, and it is stupid, that somehow F1 teams should just 'deal with it' if they can't get the tyres to work. Totally forgetting that F1 constantly changes to political and market pressure. If you're team is in such a weak political position that the FIA/Bernie don't give a **** about yu then 'you deserve to lose'. You see my point. You can come at the 'deal with it' vibe from any angle.

All the teams who have got the tyres right, are stupid for allowing a spec-manufacturer to have the ability to change tyre spec mid-season. That's a weakness ont heir part as much as other teams weakness to design cars that can't deal with the tyres.

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

They've learned how to adapt and drive within the limits of the tyres. Ultimately your tyres dictate how fast you can and can't go. If some teams/drivers can't adapt, then they deserve to lose.

If Lotus can't adapt to the imminent changes in the tyres this year by Pirelli, then they deserve to lose.

It's such a stupid arguement that people are using "oh it's unfair to change the tyres" etc...

We all know we have a spec tyre manufacturer whose job is it to manufacturer tyres that provide entertaining races. This is the demand from the public. If the demand from the public says "this is too much" then it's Pirelli's job to change the tyres to meet the new demand. Supply and demand... it's very basic to understand.

If a team builds a car that's good on cheese tyres, great, but they also have to fully expect that those tyres could change at any moment during the season. It's tough tits, THEY have to adapt mid-season as much as the other teams had to adapt pre-season.

This is a direct result of the ambiguous request by the FIA to have a spec-tyre which provides 'entertainment'. If Lotus are caught out, tough, shoulda thought about that before they built a decent car on cheese tyres. This is the modern game of F1.

Last edited by Intrepid, Tue 14 May 2013, 10:52.

Quote from Dmitry[RUS] :

I have no confidence that Skaven works the last months. He again at the deadlock think and to have a rest.
95% of my confidence that the project to stand still.

He could have worked every day and every hour (like F1 teams) and still come up with not much... funnily enough like several F1 teams. All sims seem to have 'decent' tyre models... but even F1 teams are struggling massively to get to the next level of accuracy.

Quote from CrAZySkyPimp :

And go back to this?

Looks like a hyper-inflation graph from Zimbabwe. More isn't necessarily better. Sure you get a brief economic boost for a few years, then BAM no one gives a shit anymore and it all goes to shit

I happen to think from a commercial standpoint Pirelli and DRS have worked. But the FIA and Bernie have to be careful that this doesn't go too far that these 'races' suddenly become valueless as a spectacle.

LFS is only facing what every other developer is facing - advanced tyre models are ****ing complicated. The only difference is LFS doesn't release a new graphic engine, or new tracks, or new cars to hide the fact there are still fundamental issues.

I am not sure I'd be overly happy for LFS to release a few new tracks and cars, with a slightly updated tyre model, just to please the masses and to earn a few extra bucks. It would be a betrayal of the developer's philosophy of 'it'll be done when it's done'.

When or if (does it matter?) LFS does release an updated tyre model you know fine well it will be market leading product. There's no subscription to LFS, it's not like iRacing when you have to constantly pay and the developers are pressured into putting out something, we're not losing out.

I kinda mental that if we all hypothetically are committed to buying S3, we've got some dude working his arse off with the pure motivation to get something right. If he is finding constant problems, and not releases rubbish, fair play. What is it gonna cost us? £12? mental!

Quote from DejaVu :

Pye's fault blatantly, they are going into a left handed curve, he's the one moving across to the right.

It's not blatant at all. his rear gets tags and he gets 'sucked' into the cars. Only takes a small touch to start a chain of events. not blameless... but far from blatant.

Back when I was a kid that was called a racing incident.

Right now it has to be anything Susanne Sundfør is putting out currently Selfish bloody Norwegians keeping her all to themselves!!!!

BUt if I had to pick an all time favourite, I guess it would be Rearviewmirror by Pearl Jam

Quote from F1 mainiac :

http://i.imgur.com/2bAIN8z.jpg
Looks like our ''beloved'' americans have failed again .... well in geography

thats a bbc show, not american. Could be shopped

Last edited by Intrepid, Fri 26 Apr 2013, 07:42.

new update has removed my yaw problem. Not sure if it's better or not... need more laps

Is usual for cars in iRacing to perform miracles on first lap performance? The handle very strange. The car just yaws as you release the brakes without any hesitation. Doesn't feel right. Then the rears go a bit and then the fronts, and eventually about 5 laps into a stint you actually feel like you are driving a normal car instead of some weird floating oddness?

Looks like Hamilton and Alonso have done sort of luck swap this year. Alonso has quickest car but can't seem to take full advantage of it through bad team calls, and Hamilton has managed to drag the Merc into 3rd in the WDC race without doing anything that spectacular.

It was a weird race. All the cars that were racing ended up behind those that just chilled. Most evidently Lewis Hamilton, well, until the end anyway. So much for lewis the tyre eater

Last edited by Intrepid, Mon 22 Apr 2013, 09:00.

Quote from sinbad :

I still think you're missing something here though.
Let's say LFS is no more, and Scawen just says "I'm moving on to the next thing", and a year or two later he releases a racing game "Thrill Of Racing" or whatever, and it's brilliant. The sim community love it, everyone buys it, big online community. Great. Who here would say such a thing is impossible? Not me. We know what Scawen is capable of.
So now instead of it being called "Thrill of Racing", let's call it "Live for Speed S3". Do you really think it would be less likely to become popular?

The point is that only Scawen can decide when LFS has run its course. Until we hear that he has ceased development and intends to shut down the master server, nobody can say LFS is dead. As far as we know he is going to release an update and if not at that time, at a later time S3 with new content. When that happens the community will judge what he releases on its merits, although if we don't see a massive polarisation of opinions too I'll be flabbergasted. Rest assured, though, that if it's decent this "dead" game will become seriously popular again.

Sinbad, you're wasting your breath, or typing shall we saw. There are types of people in this world who want to revel in other people's failures, or perceived failures. It's like some people get some weird perverse enjoyment out of it, mainly because they want to bring down people who've achieved something to their level.

The developers couldn't have been more clear about the situation LFS is finding itself in, so any discussion regarding its development that leads to 'it's dead' nonsense is only people trying to make themselves feel better. They are also demonstrating a fundamental misunderstanding of the LFS business model.

what's the point of racing on iRacing? Wait an hour... then some dick crashes right in front of you and you get ****ed over.

I think some of you morons get some 'enjoyment' out of saying the same old 'LFS is dead... tired old horse'. You only do it to make yourself feel better because you haven't achieved anywhere near as much as Scawan and co and want to revel in their demise (well imagined demise)

LFS can take 5 years or 10 years for all I care. Still an amazing sim. Formula Xr online still provides some of the best racing you'll find anywhere.

Quote from Becky Rose :

It's pretty tough for women to get into F1, it's still very much an old boys club - that and that fact that so many people will say she's only there because she's a woman. The only way for a woman to get to F1 is by being genuinely bloody brilliant, and if she doesnt regularly beat her team mate then she isn't going to last.

One day however, we'll be having this discussion over a female driver on the F1 periphery who is neither blonde nor fake-blonde. But I fear we are still a long way off that! Or even less likely: an UGLY woman driver.

(Yes I know Danica Patrick is brunette, I was semi-kidding).

Qualifying Winter Cup 2011

1. BEITSKE VISSER
2. JOHANSSON JOEL
3. DE VRIES NYCK
4. KOZLINSKI ARNAUD
5. ABBASSE ANTHONY
6. FEDERER FABIAN
etc....

She could have easily won that weekend, and she outpaced de vries all weekend... who was at the time, and still is the next big superstar at McLaren F1.

Certainly being a lass will help her, but she's the real deal. Admittedly she is at that age where it can go either way. There does seem to be a common theme with girl drivers, and this is purely anecdotal, where they start to lose interest or veer off. I think it's more to do with a numbers thing, as many lad drivers do exactly the same.

But on PURE performance and speed and aggression she has enough in my opinion. No less than half the f1 grid. if I were RedBull, to counter the extra attention she'll now recieve and thus the pressure that comes with that, I'd make sure everything is done so she gets decent results.

Last edited by Intrepid, Wed 10 Apr 2013, 10:27.

Quote from sinbad :

Yeah reading my post again it looks a bit like I'm complaining that she's only there because she's a girl. I guess what I mean is that there should be no shame in her taking advantage of the publicity that she might generate- it's no different from an F1 team wanting to sign a driver because he comes from a rich country with lots of eager wealthy sponsors. It's the business, good luck to her.
It makes no sense to think that she would only deserve an F1 drive if she's better than all the boys. The boys that do get the F1 drives are very rarely the best of the boys.

Ahhh I get ya.

Actually, having followed her career since around 2009/2010, I don't really think she's 'taken' advantage of being female all that much, hence why I rate her higher than others and recognise she's a bit 'different'. Though no doubt a lot of pressure will be thrust upon her now to take advantage. I think that's where the risk of burnout comes in. They might need to rush her through because the hawks will start circling.

Certainly there are lesser female drivers in lower categories that have taken advantage, but something like karting is very unforgiving, and she was competing at the front of KZ1 with the best. Dino Chiesa (the guy who deals with all of McLaren's protege's in karting) said she definitely has enough raw talent. He went on to say she'd have an easier time in cars than KZ1. but then again you are going from racing paid professionals to racing mostly rich kid amateurs.

She was a bit like Bianchi funnily enough. Was always there or thereabouts, but never quite had the experience to win a major title. Maybe if she continued karting for several more year it would have been different, who knows? And if you want to know how competitive that is just check how well Jaime Algeursauri (and Schumacher.. well he won't race he hasn't got the pace) are doing at the moment in that category.

But karting talk aside, I hope she makes it, if nothing else because she's a bloody good driver to watch. Aggressive... just the way I like em

Last edited by Intrepid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 11:57.

Quote from sinbad :

Half the drivers in f1 are there because of sponsorship/backing. It's only a matter of time before a team takes advantage of the publicity a girl on the grid will bring and it would not surprise me at all if this girl is in a Torro Rosso within 5 years, even if she never wins a title on the way. There will always be great drivers that do not get drives because others have the backing.

She's decent sinbad. She's not purely a PR exercise. Winning a championship, well who knows, but She did things in KZ1 other male drivers (who are now considered 'talent based' drivers) could only dream of.

Last edited by Intrepid, Mon 8 Apr 2013, 11:33.

Quote from CodeLyoko1 :

proud to be dutch

I know, you've got Nyck de Vries and Max Verstappen as well!

Quote from vipex123 :

I'm not against a woman getting into F1 so long as they get there because they are one of the 24 best drivers in the world, not because they are a woman in motorsport which is sadly the way people like Alice Powell are going about it. Seen her in karting, she is for sure a very big talent - but it will be interesting to see how she develops over time as it's usually the trend with some drivers that they tail off once they get their big break.

Congratulations on the prophecy oh master :P

I think she's good enough to be signed. She's certainly the fastest female kart racer since Lotta Helberg. She led the KZ1 World Cup against the world's best karters, in 2011, so this is not a pure PR exercise, like others I can mention. The fact she competed on a level with drivers I respect more than 90% of the F1 grid means to me she has it. Don't forget she won a Formula ADAC race the day after she broke her back, despite not knowing it at the time

Who knows, only time will tell. but that's true for any signing.

btw f1 will never be the best 24 drivers in the world. Never has been, never will be.

Quote from Intrepid :

29th June 2010

Beitske Visser would be a wise signing!



Heard it here first

http://www.redbull.com/cs/Sate ... ultimedia/001243333526410



In all seriousness I think she's the real deal

Quote from kars19 :

haha that got me

Quote from aoun :

Video still does no justice to the thrill. /fanboy


PS, kozlinski at birel??

forgot to add Jaime alguersuari is lammer's new team mate. he needs to find some pace. Bad habits these drivers pick up in cars.