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Intrepid
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Quote :But what you fail to notice here is that this is not *just* a group of people putting together a sim. This is a commercial venture. They are SELLING a product. As soon as you sell something, you set expectations about it. Even with no contact or commitment involved in the purchase, you are working in the world of commerce and that comes with inherent attributes of trade.

Why can't people get through their brains that just because you are a commercial venture doesn't mean you have to fit the perfect corporate model. David Bowie didn't release an album for 10 years, but I am sure you didn't write to him reminding him that he is a commercial venture and SELLING a product that people have expectations of.

I'd much rather live in a society where people like Scawan have the opportunity to work in a way that they do. I, like everyone, would love to have regular updates from LFS, that's just stating the obvious. However, and this is something you seem to fail to understand, is that people work in different ways and if someone can live off LFS and enjoy life rather than live in a corporate structure like Microsoft, that simply is amazing... I'd say inspirational.

if you can't see that... well I feel sorry for you. Even if it's not a model you'd work within yourself, it should at least gain your respect. Sometimes 'capitalists' don't actually understand true free-market capitalism... the clue is in the name 'free'.
Intrepid
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Quote from Kristi :How can you compare a totally closed court of a music band and a group of "enthusiast" programmers that rarely make up for a company? I don't get your point at all... A music band doesn't have any room for contribution, a racing simulator definiately does.

You can directly compare them.

A band create a product which you the end user interact with and derive satisfaction from. A band, in effect is no different from a group of developers. They are both businesses, both 'incomes' come from content they provide to the market place, but some can survive for long periods without new material because they

1. Don't have time
2. Can live off continual income from music sales
3. Want to chill and do something else for a while
4. Working hard to create new content

.... now can you see the similarities?

A band, say with a long period between albums, could conceivably have 'contributions' from their fan base. Whether it be some chords or melodies structures. The reason this isn't suggested is because people know that bands work 'in their own way' and it would be completely nonsense to assume one can impose one's work ethic on another entity. Especially in something creative... which simulations are. It doesn't take a wild leap of imagination to understand not everyone is the same and can enjoy/thrive in the same work/business/creative environment as everyone else.

I think it is nothing short of remarkable that someone like Scawan can work in the way he does. Again, I repeat, it should be lauded, respected, celebrated... etc.... Having a largely stress free (I hope of course) life that allows you to do something you love when you want. That's AMAZING.
Intrepid
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Quote from molocco :dear scavier,

...if it is not about the money, but for the love of the sim, i still don´t get it why you don´t accept at least a little help from the community?


Have you ever written to your favourite band and said that if they just do it for the love of music won't don't they accept contributions from their fanbase? Obviously not.

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there are some very talented people out there and even if you do not open lfs for modding, please at least think about accepting something the people offer you for free.

we all want lfs to become the greatest driving (racing) simulator of all time, but to reach the goals and include every type of racing class and car you need manhours...

what about that "industrial area" in south city? there are just tiny bits missing to make this part usable and to allow for at least four new combinations with the existing south city track.
and even if it has been repeated a thousand times: why can´t we just drive the vws with its current physics, as we have to learn the new physics on all cars when it will be released anyways?

there is nothing wrong with being independent, but you can´t make it all alone - in the end you need us all to play what you created...

thank you,

peace, mo

I sometimes wonder if people actually read what the developers say

"We love developing sims, sometimes we have downtimes, but this is how we do things"

This approach brought us LFS in the first place, and at the time blew everything out of the water.

The devs couldn't be clearer. it's like going to your ex-girlfriend and asking her to change for you so you can get together. It's quite frankly getting a bit weird.

It's not about what you or I want, it's about a few guys trying to create something really special. There's nothing worse for example than a band having to write songs they know 'will sell' because of pressure from the market place. I think it's FANTASTIC that the developers have enough freedom in this world to work as they please and not get stressed to **** working 9-5, having to hire people and take on additional responsibilities. That should be celebrated and NOT criticised.

if it takes 10 years, so be it, so what? None of us are financially invested or married to LFS. We are customers. We bought an amazing product and it's still great value for money. We can come and go as we please.
Intrepid
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Quote from Scawen :Anyway, funding wouldn't help at all, we have plenty of time. The only way money could help is if we got an office and started hiring people. But we have no interest in that at all. Our motivation is more on the side of what interests us, rather than what makes the most money. We're not that type of capitalists at all and don't want to manage a team of developers. That is totally out of the question. It's actually quite an alien thought to me that money can make development happen quicker.

Anyone with half a brain cell can read this above statement and understand fully where the developers are coming from.

for anyone to then start a thread with ...

"Coming from ZERO experience in developing a simulator I think the developers should do this or the sim it metaphorically dead"

...is ignorance to the extreme. It's like people can't actually escape their own brains for just a moment and understand someone else's way of doing things.
Intrepid
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Quote from Mustafur :Not to mention no previous gen wheel support.

Money hungry microsoft.

Yes, those bastards trying to make money and that.
Intrepid
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1.54.6 at Imola in 458, no ABS and I reckon 53s are easily possible too because my laps are far from perfect.

You just have to make sure that when you're hard in the brakes not to be turning too much, then use the instability to turn the car in when you release the brakes. Feels awesome.
Intrepid
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Well, my first instinct was a very similar thought, as sad as the situation is. Nothing dickish about it. If you jump into a supercar, make sure you have complete faith in the driver you go in with. Unless it's a mechanical problem, but the pictures seem to indicate driver error.

edit: turns out the driver Roger Rodas is a former racer. shocking
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Intrepid
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53.2 on standard set?
Intrepid
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Unlike iRacing the Lotus 49 is actually drivable!

Of course it's worth the money. Best sim I've driven since LFS.
Intrepid
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Good to see Maldanado get the promotion he deserves.
Intrepid
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That Lotus should be far higher in both the WCC/WDC standings. In the hands of other drivers I suspect it would have been this year.
Intrepid
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Well, if you're interesting in karting I hope you like this http://youtu.be/t-LFSwUW5Ww
Intrepid
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Intrepid
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Quote from ajp71 :Do you follow Moto GP? How many F1 drivers have been disqualified this season for doing too many laps on a set of tyres?

Pirelli did request lap limits today and the FIA said they possibly would look at sanctions. In the end they didn't, but there was still a level of intent similar to that of Philip Island
Intrepid
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Quote from IsaacPrice :And yep Vettel deserved it. Was good to see a proper celebration too, I'm actually surprised there arent more haters here saying that he should get a penalty for that.

This actually happened
Intrepid
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I assume everyone is cheating so it's pointless throwing that accusation around.

It's fairly obvious that the RBR, especially since the new tyres came in, are a million miles ahead. Paul Hembrey said it himself when everyone was complaining about the tyres.

Vettel is good, he isn't THAT good. The car is just on another level to everyone else.
Intrepid
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Not throwing any accusations about but Vettel's car does sound like it's blowing the diffuser pretty hard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DwXOPN7ZIM compared to the rest.

Not saying anything dodgy is going on because if RBR have found something fair play.
Intrepid
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Paul Hembrey said himself that changes to the tyre construction would just hand the title to RedBull, and he was right. They obviously have the loading figures and they know how much downforce that car is creating versus the others.

Could anyone else match Vettel? who knows, he's obviously protected within RedBull. He's never had a truly 'world class' team mate. But that's how you WIN F1 titles.
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Intrepid
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1. Kimi isn't as good as he used to be and due to poor qualifying has squandered his chance at this year's title. That Renault is fundamentally a very very quick car.

2. Unless you have a VERY dominant car (Mclaren 1988) having two top drivers in the same car won't yield positive results for the team.
Intrepid
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Sinbad is right, Tristan could have conceded the corner, but I believe him when he says he maintained sufficient overlap that he didn't just want to completely back off at the 100m board. and Alice may have thought she had sufficient overlap or had completely got past. Though, in cars especially, I can't understand why you would take such a risk to go hard at the apex when you're not 100% a car isn't on your inside.
Intrepid
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Unless cameras are required by the regulations, I don't even see how the clerk can use them as evidence. In karting a few national and international series require them, but generally speaking the clerks won't look at personal video for the reasons you stated.
Intrepid
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Well, I've let her know my viewpoint. You got proper screwed over for something that is at worst a racing incident. Pisses me off, especially the idiots on Facebook saying this and that!

Anyway, best of luck with the rest of the season!
Intrepid
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You two!!!! In your defense it did look like she went for the apex without leaving any room for you. All I am going from is an onboard on Facebook
Intrepid
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Common sense is having a great driver and a pretty average one (at best). It's a strategy that has nearly won Alonso two titles with Ferrari and one that's won Vettel 4 (well 3 but this year is another gimme).

Not all drivers are like Hamilton who don't give a **** about who they have to race with in the same team even if it is to their own detrament, others tend to prefer more 'controllable' team mates. Ricciardo is hardly setting the world alight in Toro Rosso, but I am sure Seb will but thankful for the protection.

Massa is doing a perfectly good job of fulfilling the regulatory requirement of teams to fielding two cars.
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