Quote from flymike91 :

What is the incentive for creating music, movies or games once the money is gone? It takes thousands of people to make these products and once they're not being paid anymore what will they do?

Music can only be made with the money incentive? Your re-writing thousands of years of history with that statement. The market just changes and adapts.

For example the music making market has gone from making money out of music creation to making money out of providing the products for music creation i.e home studios etc...

It terms of games and movies? It's a tad trickier but with games I don't think it's that far off until we can expect open source games that can live with the likes of BF3 and so on... What then becomes important is the hardware to create these games and the hardware to plat them.

In terms of sims teams and various businesses pay vast amounts to people like Scawan to develop in house simulations.

Businesses have to become smarter and have to adapt. If the market changes and your business is left wanting... then tough.

Quote from ATC Quicksilver :

The real issue is the society we live in is founded on principles of greed and selfishness, the many will always suffer for the profit of the few, this is just one very tiny example of that.

Yes and no. A society built on 'non-greed' doesn't magically create a utopia. Just look at the soviet union, cuba etc...

Copyright law was originally created to give the 'artist' a brief monopoly on a certain idea or product. That has some merits, however it's got to a point where major corporations just buy up a shit load of copyrighted material which in effect outlaws the sharing of creativity and ideas. Just an example of crony-capitalism. Creating laws the benefit the few in the name of the many.

Rare Exports - A nice twist on the traditional christmas film

tend to agree there. Fair play to a team like Force India not putting in a 'pay driver'. They will reap the rewards next year.

I don't understand how Webber is 6th? He couldn't have had a worse year. The RBR was the best car by a country mile for the first half of the season and he didn't score a win. Heikki was far more impressive. Thought even the team bosses might be able to look past car performance when grading these things.

Quote from samjh :

Vettel is Red Bull's golden boy right now, but I bet if any other young gun proves himself faster, Vettel will quickly find himself where Webber's sitting. Better be wary.

Putting a decent driver in with Vettel would be a complete disaster. Vettel had superb timing. DC was leaving and that left an open spot in the RBR. But Vettel has a good 5 years at least in RBR. Don't be surprised to see Webber sign for 2013-2014. It's much better to have a clear #2 driver if championships are what you want.

A lot of those are on the periphery . The meat and two veg of any sim are the physics. I don't think a sim worth it's salt should be implementing features that are as important as wet weather or dynamic tracks unless the physics are bang on the money.

I am not a huge fan of the physics in KRP. Just feels like a car changed to handle a bit like a kart. I'm more a fan of something that has an real attention to 'important' detail.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

To be honest, I don't really care all that much about racing in the wet. It could be fun, yes, but it's not a big selling point to me. What IS a big selling point is that the track surface changes. Grip changes from lap to lap. Grip is better on the racing line than off it. Weather can be hotter or colder which affects tire selection and engine tuning. THESE are the things I think LFS really needs. My biggest complaint about LFS is that it is always the same. The track never gets hot and never cools off. The ambient temperature never changes. You can't overheat your car if you draft too much. You don't have to worry about preserving your tires from one race to the next because there's always a fresh set of tires waiting for you in the pits.

It's these types of things that truly make for a fun racing experience, to me. Wheel to wheel racing is tons of fun, and even hotlapping is a lot of fun, but it's significantly less fun when nothing ever changes and there are no new factors to deal with. Is KRPs implementation perfect? Probably not. Probably not even close. But it at least adds some flavor to racing and rewards you for staying in the groove and punishes you for getting out of the groove, just like real life. These are areas in which LFS is sorely lacking.

I am sure LFS could very quickly implement these things, but they would be half-baked. LFS is about the pursuit of perfection. So putting in these features without them being properly coded would be dis-ingenious.

LFS or any other sim could easily create wet effects, but actually doing it properly is massively difficult. KRP doesn't handle properly at all in the wet.

iRacing etc... will want to do wet racing properly rather than creating some nice graphics and clicking the grip levels down a bit.

Being in Toro Rossi is a matter of good timing. RBR won't be dropping Vettel any time soon, and they are not going to replace Webber with anyone decent. The McLaren policy of two decent drivers in the same car is disastrous.

JA and Beumi's time had run out. I imagine Vergne and Ricciardo will suffer the same fate.

Sorry to pick but I noticed something in your description. Rotax doesn't have a rev limiter strictly speaking

What's he doing there? He out-qualified Sutil and quite a few others on Sunday. He deserved his place, and considering his condition he did a fantastic job.

Mind you, the racing was absolute carnage. If they are to do this next year they need to stop the rubbing and firing.

Quote from Seb66 :

I can probably go about 1 second quicker in the best handling kart than the worse handling one. The power in each engine is pretty similar, depends on your weight mostly anyways.

aahhh nothing like rentals. I love when you get one that doesn't turn left.

I think grosjean could beat Kimi. It's a perfect situation for him. Kimi brings the reputation but probably not the form, so Grosjean's stock will sky rocket if he beats him

Quote from JackDaMaster :

And its all about the money again, Total wern't gonna renew their (quite lucrative) contract unless Romain got signed...

I hope Vitaly gets the other Williams seat now or something

How do you think Petrov and Senna got their sears?

Quote from J@tko :

Haha yeah he said Button got overtaken by a 14 year old - suppose he has a slight weight advantage

Button wasn't that fast, but he was new to the track, new to the karts etc... he was 4th or 5th after the first stint. Perfectly reasonable.

Everyone got penalties for Davidson's team which was funny. (there was a bribe the race steward to raise money for charity - 20k in the end )

Quote from J@tko :

a dude who spent Tuesday Night racing against Jenson Button (no jokes!)

funny you should say that - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... 0isY&feature=youtu.be

Quote from Mustafur :

Soon overtaking will require lawyers and no skill.

ahhh the joys of over-regulation.

Not sure about Pinkham. Always felt like she was just on some jolly. A reliable line-up though the BBC could snag Edwards and he's very good.

Brundle said they'll be pre-season covering testing as well, presumably on Sky Sports News.

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ahh just spotted the karts. Not sure why car sim developers are so fixated on them because unless you basically design a whole new physics engines you're never going to get it anywhere near close to the complexities of developing a decent feeling kart.

Quote from Congressman Carlos Ramos of the Venezuelan :

The financial situation of the Williams Formula 1 team is probably a matter of great concern to its owners, employees, and commercial sponsors. However, there is no acceptable explanation as per why 28 million Venezuelans have to foot the bill, to simply help Williams survive. I understand why you would take money from anyone, though it is impossible for me to explain, to my constituents and countrymen, why on earth we are wasting money on your team.

http://joesaward.wordpress.com ... ble-brewing-in-venezuela/

Well well well... I never thought I'd see the day I agree with a congressman of Venezuela.

Quote from Funnybear :

Look into what your putting your money into, it's not all about your selfish indulgence to be entertained.

With all due respect anyone not buying Sky F1 purely on ethical grounds is suffering from a severe case of hypocrisy.

Anyone that supports F1 is directly contributing to a sport which has some of the most dodgy money circulating around it. Just look at who actually owns some of the teams & who actually funds some of the teams etc... Let's cut the bullshit and get real.

Quote from spookthehamster :

F1 should be available for the masses. There's a huge shortage of engineers in this country, and one of the main reasons is that a lot of people don't understand what engineering is, or how it can be cool. Most of the people I studied with would say that they were drawn to engineering by F1/motorsport (or jet planes). Taking it away from the general public will slow down the number of people getting interested in engineering even more, which will have serious affects down the line.

Well this is highly debatable and almost unprovable.

Also, for all we know F1 could be attracted engineers away from more lucrative and productive engineering projects. Our shortage in engineers might be because they are fannying about playing race cars.

I however do appreciate the value of motorsport in the UK and understand your viewpoint.

Bruno penalty? Why?

DRS = wank. It robbed us of a dice into T4 with Alonso and Button. Pointlesssssssss boring shit