Because real racers use it and that means it defacto becomes a hyper realistic simulator. I am a karter and I played Mario Kart thus making Mario Kart the best kart sim out there right now
Guys, think about it. SennaSS has a point. Just think for a moment, all LFS has to do is start a successful F1 team! simples! Problem solved.
BUT, I think comic's need to be turned off though otherwise how will real racing drivers be able to feel what we can't like hamilton and F2 in the way the tyres heat down up slowly in the track circle. Capisce?
I think I'm losing my mind reading this?
What do you think all the massive delay is about with regard to the new tyres physics? You think these things can be properly emulated easily?
Racing drivers are not the people to speak to when it comes to the detail of physics code. They can only make observations that the most basically trained data engineer can point out. I don't know many racing drivers who even remotely understand the nature of tyre flex... even the experts don't know that much.
Scawan an co are perfectly aware of the errors in tyre behaviour and they could can some effects that emulate reality, but that would be defeating the point of creating the simulator.
They want the simulate to accurately emulate reality rather than cheaply imitate it. That takes a freakin' long time hence the wait for the new physics.
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What do you mean by 'turn off' the physics? What on god's green earth do you mean? Turn off the physics lol
iRacing probably hires a fair few people. With that comes massive pressure. Trying to employ one person and then adhering to all the crazy regulations is mental enough, but try a whole team. A whole team which you need to pay on time every month. To get that set-up requires a massive initial investment, which if you don't make it back, you could go bankrupt. You have to respect what iRacing are doing, but it's perfectly easy to recognise that is far from working 'happily ever after'.
As developers try to create ever more complex models then the time it takes to perfect them will increase. This is just the reality.
One F1 team tested the yaw sensitivity of two sets of F1 drivers. Those that had karted at a young age, and those that hadn't. The experiment used a rotational chair used by the airforce if I recall correctly. Anyway the test concluded that drivers who had karted since a young age were more sensitive and even more so than fighter pilots who use the chair for training.
So there is some physiological evidence of sensitivity to yaw being a real thing. However, how important that is I don't know.
I would say it's totally pointless criticising the the development of a simulator unless you've spent a fair few quid on it, or are paying under a subscription model...which LFS is neither. Scawan and co have made it pretty clear how they work and what their methods are. They've admitted their mistakes in the past but from where I'm standing they pretty much adhere to their own plan. In the end it is their simulator.
I can't think of any other industry that takes so much flak despite providing brilliant value for money. We have people questioning the whole business model at times of LFS, it's complete nonsense.
It takes next to zero commitment to be a fan or supporter of a sim (unless it's iracing). I'm happy to not play LFS for a few years and then bam some new tyres physics will appear and I'll be back on it. The developers have not required any commitment from me to support them other than the initial purchase which was more than worth it. You're not married to one particular sim either. LFS isn't really losing custom if you go play iRacing or whatever because you've already paid for S2 and got value for money, and everyone will be back for S3 and the new tyre physics.
People take almost personal offence when the developers release a progress report. Why???
To add comment, rather than criticise, as to how it appears to me, the developers are investing quite a large amount of time getting the tyre physics right. They could have gone down the route of 'get it out' and hope we can sort the problems out along the way. That would make sense if the plans were purely aimed at selling to the general sim market. However, my suspicion is an advanced tyre model, that has the potential to lead the market would be something of extreme value to racing teams and manufacturers and worth quite a fair few monies. It has to be right as soon as it's released and that's why it takes time. But if it isn't released any time soon.. so what?
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No one else seeing the hypocrisy here?
You're having a go at someone for keeping faith in something. This is a mirror image of your own behaviour. Your belief is that LFS is failing and seem quite keen to impose your un-questioned beliefs on everyone else. You are an 'LFS is failing' fanboy!
And wait just one goddammmm second here. Exactly what is wrong with being enthusiastic about LFS and being a 'fanboy'? It's the LFS forum ffs... you know... where fans of LFS come to chat???
I really feel for the developers sometimes!
But that's not the comparison really is it?
LFS is a very good sim, and at 20 odd quid it's a freakin' bargain. It's still solidly reliable, and while a bit dated, it does the job that it promises to do. Yes if you bought it and it didn't work, there is of course a justification of complaint. LFS isn't some messed up job. It's a brilliant piece of software... still!
What people are doing here isn't 'complaining' about any unreliability in the software or feeling like they are short-changed, everyone here has had 'value for money'.
Because of the nature of forums it does seem to breed this attitude of 'I know better'. It's odd because you wouldn't do it in any other business. Unless of course you have a a habit of waltzing into businesses and telling them how wrong everything is despite receiving excellent value for money.
As a customer you don't have this divine right to tell a business what they should be doing. All the contract you have with the developers is that they provide with the product/service in exchange for money.
And THAT is the delusions of the younger generation.
When the new tyre physics come out they will be brilliant, and everyone will be amazed no doubt, but Christ stop whining. YES we'd all love LFS to go at a 'faster pace' (if that actually means anything) but the developers couldn't have made clearer how they like to do things. Why is it so hard to understand?
I'm not sure why everyone gets so irate about LFS's development rate. We are in a golden age of sim racing, so what's their to be angry about? There are so many sims out there, it's not like you have be married (and that's how some of you behave, as if you're freakin MARRIED) to one.
It appears people are painting a picture of what they think LFS should be and then get distressed if it doesn't fit their ideal.
LFS, uniquely, does have quite an dedicated community despite the lack of updates, and yes of course it's a shame when development isn't at a pace we'd all like to see. But if something is worth doing, it's worth doing right.
F1 teams spend millions developing their simulators, so getting a proper physics model takes a mammoth amount of time and investment. It's quite clear Scawan and co want to create the most authentic tyre simulation and that takes a long long long time especially if you're an independent developer. I suspect what's being developed might become a valuable asset to the developers so it's revenue streams might not be wholly dependant on sales of LFS.
LFS became popular because of it's attention to detail regarding physics, if you want that same of attention to detail in the next physics update then you're simply going to have to wait. I wouldn't be surprised if it's another year or two.
It appears people are painting a picture of what they think LFS should be and then get distressed if it doesn't fit their ideal.
LFS, uniquely, does have quite an dedicated community despite the lack of updates, and yes of course it's a shame when development isn't at a pace we'd all like to see. But if something is worth doing, it's worth doing right.
F1 teams spend millions developing their simulators, so getting a proper physics model takes a mammoth amount of time and investment. It's quite clear Scawan and co want to create the most authentic tyre simulation and that takes a long long long time especially if you're an independent developer. I suspect what's being developed might become a valuable asset to the developers so it's revenue streams might not be wholly dependant on sales of LFS.
LFS became popular because of it's attention to detail regarding physics, if you want that same of attention to detail in the next physics update then you're simply going to have to wait. I wouldn't be surprised if it's another year or two.
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Good for you, hope you feel better about yourself now! Your contributions to this forum are highly valuable. Your insights are just exquisite, you're an intellectual powerhouse. I wish I was as intelligent as you.
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haha... ahh you can't buy or be given someone else's licence? How does that contradict being 'pro-capitalist'? Sometimes this forum cracks me up.
"Here, have my licence" "No, I am capitalist pig I shall buy my own new coz I iz greedy"...
I have my own licence and server... what you on about?
Firstly, nothing wrong with capitalism and the pursuit of happiness. If someone can find happiness in personal possessions then really there isn't anything wrong with. Freedom to trade with each other is one of the most instinctive actions we do as humans.
Now, what I don't understand that you object to someone gloating about the presents they received, and your medicine is to gloat at how generous you are? "Bow down to my generosity" Two sides of the same coin.
bah humbug
haha it's my job to know about karting.
The aussies won the nations cup at the rotax world finals too!!It's all about perception. For example your CIK Stars of Karting series looks bloody fantastic and makes a lot of our championships look a bit dated. You also have some badass open classes and you manage big regional grids. It really isn't that much different here than it is in Aus.
which reminds me .. and at the aussie rotax nationals you had the top three helicoptered in you tarts
which reminds me .. and at the aussie rotax nationals you had the top three helicoptered in you tarts
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Well, if you know how it can be very cheap. Though having said that, I had my most expensive weekend's racing ever this year... as well as the cheapest so swings and roundabouts.
Though having said that, I had my most expensive weekend's racing ever this year... as well as the cheapest so swings and roundabouts.Karting isn't expensive!!! Get your groove on!
Doesn't look much different to me. I think the angle makes a difference in perception as well as the light quality. Llandow is grey at the best of times.
The Class is on Film4 tonight. Well worth a watch!
In fact it's a bona fide selling point. Being a good solid #2 driver is quite valuable to teams.
Tokyo Gore Police ! haha
What I love about "you wouldn't steal a car" TV adverts is that if people could 'download' a car... they freakin' would.
We all agree the fashion industry employs thousands, if not millions of people, right? It is not illegal to copy someone's design and sell it. The industry hasn't collapsed, and in general it thrives... SHOCK HORROR.
Copyright law is specifically designed for large corporations to buy monopolies on ideas and creativity and make a freakin' fortune.
Copyright law is specifically designed for large corporations to buy monopolies on ideas and creativity and make a freakin' fortune.
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