How is there a serious lack of awareness?
He gets a blue flag, he runs wide on the wet stuff and a car passes him. He then has about 2 seconds to calculate these things.
1. Controlling the car which is on slicks that have a coat of water.
2. Recognising that Vettel was far behind, yet was approaching at speed. Despite probably not being able to see him in the mirrors.
3. Driving a HRT.
I think you are asking too much of a driver in that position. A lack of 'awareness', well yeah, but it wasn't a serious error. It was a "****, where did HE come from?" error. I suspect at the time he made the input to move the car to the right (at this point he was still struggling for traction) Vettel was close, if not right beside him.
If we are expecting Narain to take all these considerations into account, then surely we should ask the same from Seb. Narain had to be aware of
1. Blue flags
2. Cars passing
3. Driving a shit car
4. Running wide and trying to recover from that.
Why is Seb let off when all he had to do was pass a very slow car without getting too close? Why wasn't Seb aware of the difficulties Narain found himself in?? All Vettel had to worry about was one car in front of him. narain had to worry about a whole lot more.
50/50.
But you have to consider that he wasn't drifting. His line was already compromised before that incident because he went wide. He had lost traction and was in recovery. You can't compare his line to other drivers who had not gone wide. His car was most likely pointing directly at the next entry point as he was trying to find traction (he can't simply make his car disappear off the track). I'd bet that anyway which is entirely predictable and understandbale. The only reason other cars found themselves a tad further to the left is because they are under much heavier loading due to taking the proper line through the corner.
He knew there was a car behind him, but I doubt he knew how close Vettel was behind that, and I am pretty sure he wouldn't have seen Vettel. He got passed by whoever he was being the blue for, and then he was in 'it's slicks on the wet' mode.
Vettel took a risk, just like Hamilton did with Koby at Spa. You can assume the driver won't be there, but in circumstances where it might be close.... always leave a little extra.
The situation asked for both Narain and Seb to calculate a number of circumstances which they simply couldn't do.
I am not so sure he is in plain sight at all. The angle of Narain's car and the position of Vettel could easily fall within the 'blind spot'. At the point which Narain would naturally check his mirrors at around 0.08 Vettel is right along side and Narain probably already commmited to moving his car to the right. Remember he did run wide, and was off the typical line as the car wasn't loaded at the previous apex like everyone else. He car was 'straighter' at the exit then most other cars due to the previous error hence his slightly unusual line as he hit Vettel. He was point his car towards the next entry point earlier because of the nature of the exit from the previous corner.
In fact on more closer observation Narain is still trying to gain traction at the point of Vettel passing due to them being wet from his going wide, so he may not have been checking his mirrors, understandably.
We can't expect Vettel to calculate all this and we can't expect Narain to deal with being overtaken as he went wide, losing traction, re-adjusting his line and then knowing Vettel was going to rock past.
Racing incident.
In fact on more closer observation Narain is still trying to gain traction at the point of Vettel passing due to them being wet from his going wide, so he may not have been checking his mirrors, understandably.
We can't expect Vettel to calculate all this and we can't expect Narain to deal with being overtaken as he went wide, losing traction, re-adjusting his line and then knowing Vettel was going to rock past.
Racing incident.
I think you are being too harsh on Narain. Watch this - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... o-Rp0&feature=related
Firstly Narain is getting a blue flag to which he allows the driver through, he then runs wide at 0.05. At this point we are assuming he knows the car on the inside has passed and he is probably focusing his eyes further down the track. The closing speed of Vettel is pretty damm quick and consider the nature of Narain's circumstance I don't think he could 'clearly see him'. Narain is recovering from a moment while being overtaken and then BAM Vettel is there. Watching the onboard my gut instinct is to over-compensate which Vettel didn't
It's a racing incident as far as I am concerned. Vettel's behaviour post race is understandable, and it's nice to watch the champ under pressure. Hamilton got quite a large chunk of flak for it so it's nice to see it's not unique to him
Button driving like Hamilton and Hamilton driving Button!!! What's that about?
Yes YOU can build a 4gb/3zsjs/ram.dhewjd,jpg.exe computer, but quite a large chunk of people don't give a shit. MOST people just have a laptop which they use for work and maybe an iPhone or iPad. Their old PC might still be stuck in the attic.
I've spent many years working with drivers and I am telling you now, it is only in the past couple of years that simulators have become credible. However in that time period what has decreased in popularity is desktop computers. So not everyone has up-to-date desktops.
Now, I don't know the numbers exactly, but purely from my own anecdotal evidence, I can assure you LFS working on lower-spec is quite important, for me anyway. It's meant I have been able to get a lot of new people into sim racing.
You can think that's dumb but I happen to think it's very smart business and very considerate. I can't quite understand how making your product as available to the 'masses' is dumb.
Not sure if serious?
Not wanting to probe LFS's business model (but regrettably will just to prove a point), but the fact it runs on lower spec PCs has probably meant its very survival. Only a few gamer geeks concern themselves with upgrading their PCs every month.
Just because you are in to PC gaming doesn't mean the rest of the world is. There are thousands of people out there who only tech is iPod/iPads/Laptops. Desktops are a thing of the past, quite a few people just don't have them
Driving simulation games are only now really coming into fashion, mainly due to places like iZone & F1 teams utilising them as real tools for driving and development. But guess what? Now everyone has a super-duper desktop to take advantage. Most laptops are 300-400 bargain jobs and not many sims other than LFS work on a bargain laptop.
Purely from personal experience, most of my recommendations to drivers is to try LFS because I know 99 times out of a 100 it will work on their system. I can't say that for any other simulator. it's clearly a market that has been very lucrative and worthwhile for the developers as they see the numbers, and they can continue developing in that direction. I for one think it's FANTASTIC they concern themselves with a large proportion of the market that doesn't bother itself with Desktop Gamer Weekly.
Not every new simmer lives in this bubble of GB and TB and RAM blah blah.
So no, it isn't 'tough shit' for people wthout mega PCs. What complete and utter nonsense.
I might be being bold here and presumptious, but one of LFS's major selling points is its amazing ability to run on low-spec computers. Many a time has LFS come to the rescue when I have installed sims on people's computers.
Now, you may think it's business sense to basically narrow your customer base so much you might go out-of-business, but I don't think Scavier are that ... in your words.... 'dumb'.
Rockingham have the LFS/Rockingham set up at their race track for various corporate customers to use. My best bet is it's a commercial product the developers created for Rockingham similar to the F BMW for Fortex/V1. I personally can not see the business case for LFS paying Rockingham for a laser scan considering their previous investments in circuits. This seems an unlikely option, and if you wanna bet money, pleas, name your price.
I know one thing that is 100% fact. Scawan and crew are better developers than you, or anyone else on this forum could ever dream of being.
Like most normal human beings I recognise that spending £24 on a product that more than delivers on value back doesn't give me the right to dictate about something I have no idea about. What experience do you have in simulator development to call them lousy? If you were in a position to say that, you wouldn't be wasting your time on this forum in the first place.
Internet trolls have such an absurd addiction to negativity and assuming that (despite getting substantial value from a modest cost) they know best. The customer is NOT always right!
Scawan and co couldn't be more clear about how they approach development, and really don't see why there's still so much bs from you guys.
When did spending £24 on one of the best sims on the planet give people the licence to act like complete ejits?
Imagine going to get a take away pizza, and when the place was getting renovated you waltzed on, and on the basis of once spending £24 on a really nice pizza (say a pizza that continued to be 'consumerable' for years and years), you start shouting at the managers telling them how they don't care about you and treat you like sh*t & how the renovation should be quicker. You agree that would be odd behavour? no?
The contract between YOU and LFS is very simple. You give them £24 and you get S2 content with the occasional bug fix. They have more than lived up to their side of the contract. If you have beef, take them to court. Though taking a match and setting light to a bundle of cash would yield more worth.
If people engaged half a brain cell they may figure out that Rockingham probably contracted Scawan and co to create it. WE probably didn't PAY for it! As if somehow PAYING for LFS is somehow like a TAX which would give you the right to demand certain things. It isn't a tax though, it's a contract between buyer and supplier. LFS isn't a democratic sovereign state. It's a business.
The contract probably stipulates a number of things that mean it may not be contained within S2. Or that maybe the devs don't want to release it yet. So what?
I feel for the devs sometimes having people totally misunderstand the fundamentals about how they do things.
While I do appreciate you do look the bollocks when you have a branded suit, I can't quite fathom why you'd spend a premium being an advertisement for said brand. If anything I'd want a discount to wear a branded suit. 
Alpine make the best gloves and boots (visually anyway. in terms of quality I wonder if I could have done better with some cardboard and tape), but not a big fan of the look of their suits. I prefer the Sparco X-Light. That's probably because I either like a proper lush designed suit... or something very simple and plain.
on a side note. Totally understand the stupid achievements thing now. Just got hooked up with a 360 and some Xbox Live action (got it mainly for SkyGo). What a ball ache all these weird achievements are.
good luck with the work Becky, looks good.
good luck with the work Becky, looks good.
I am trying hard to think of a funny caption, but one just isn't needed
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1661706#post1661706
just sayin' Grosjean got a hard time when he subbed in for Piquet.
Vettel is under pressure, about freakin' time
I also think Alonso and Ferrari aren't in as bad shape as Massa makes them look. Bianchi in? Might be worth the risk. Good to Schumi back too
just sayin'
Grosjean got a hard time when he subbed in for Piquet.Vettel is under pressure, about freakin' time
I also think Alonso and Ferrari aren't in as bad shape as Massa makes them look. Bianchi in? Might be worth the risk. Good to Schumi back too
RP 5Haz
Spent many an hour arguing with him about the rights and wrongs with the world on this forum!!! Crazy when you think about it.
Very very sad news
Spent many an hour arguing with him about the rights and wrongs with the world on this forum!!! Crazy when you think about it.
Very very sad news
errr... don't go?
We are in the biggest financial crisis ever, period. So when you look back at history you may believe gold was the problem, but where I am sitting we're in the biggest amount of shit we have ever been in.
So we left the gold standard to avoid total collapse, yet somehow within a 30 year period have entered into the biggest financial disaster in human history. I know my history, and am totally aware of what we face now today with fiat currency. It hasn't works, the project has failed, time to wake up.
Gold/silver isn't perfect, but I am just observing the absolutely disaster we are now facing with fiat currency, and it's worse.
Britain started and succeeded with the industrial revolution on a gold standard and with a fiat currency we are now bankrupt. Great job. Fiat currencies ftw yaayyy everyone in masses of debt and ****ed yayyyy
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Well let's see how fiat currency has performaned in America over the last 30 years.... oh you're in trillions of dollars of debt, the banks own everyone, and you're broke... so yh good job
Gold isn't perfect, but it's much better than fiat currency. See, the gold I have in my pocket can not be diluted so some politician can win their next election.
You do know the fed is a private entity don't you?
Good for you! I've made a 100% return on my investment in gold so you keep out of gold and silver... I'm in it for the long game, not short term gains. How's your savings performed in the last couple of years?
Gold isn't in a bubble, no where near. When it hits $3k-$4k an ounce I might bail. I perfectly expect gold to go down and up... but long term it's no less risky than paper.
Paper money is exposed to volatility as gold is, if not worse. Unless you think Greece is the prime example of currency stability and the insane inflation we're experiencing now is somehow perfectly acceptable.
Fiat currency is nothing but faith and can literally be created with a click of a bankers button. Are you seriously saying something that has no material value and can be created out of think air is stable? Not sure if you noticed but we're experiencing the biggest market crash ever right now in a fiat currency system.
So before you say gold is volatile I suggest you look out of the window.
Paper funny money? really?
Not an untypical response of someone who doesn't understand Dr Paul's policies.
That was the exact reaction he got over a decade ago when he pretty much predicted this economic disaster and its consequences. Disagree his policies to fix things, but Ron Paul isn't no right-wing nut bag. In fact he performs quite well with liberals. You won't find many who don't agree with his stance on civil liberties.
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Even in boom times retailers who deal with software were always going to be superceeded by online sellers. The recession just accelerated the inevitable.
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