Quote from Yuri Laszlo :

What's the point in this? This is a forum, a place where people come to discuss ideas. If you don't like their ideas, just produce useful arguments to counter them or leave them be.

It shouldn't be hard to come up with scientific facts to discredit conspiration theories, but so far all you've done is bully Racer X and call him Cartman.

Because there's not much point in arguing with Racer X. All he does is copy paste stuff from dubious websites. And if a forum member actually tried to have a discussion with him in the past, he simply carried on doing the same thing. There's really no point in trying to have a discussion with somebody who is living deeply in their own world full of conspiracies.

I was actually gonna bring up another example from southpark... the episode "mystery of the urinal deuce" where the boys stand in the hallway of the school and kyle is explaining to cartman that 1 forth of americans believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy theory... because every 1 out of 4 americans is a retard (stan, kenny, kyle... cartman (racer X) is a retard... 1 out of 4).

...but i couldn't find the video.

Actually, if you read the posts of Racer X with the voice of cartman in your head, they are pretty funny...

Quote from Racer X NZ :

try to understand how the real world works.

Ohh, the irony...

Quote from VTiRacing :

you are not a man, you are not a woman. you are fool.

Best post in this thread.

Quote from Inouva :

Now is everthing clear up, i can tell my bro to leave

Now i'm confused again.

Either way, you're crazy... or just trolling... whatever makes you happy tho. Happy birthday!

Can we say he's borderline schizophrenic then? He made all these posts acting like a woman, saying girly stuff etc... you gotta be a little coo-coo in the coconut to do something like that IMO.

Yeah, might be true about soft suspension on some models. I had the M030 option in my turbo, was hard as a rock!

And regarding the turbo for daily use, with a good chip installed the turbo lag is almost non-existant (because the wastegate on this car is controlled by the ECU, and with the stock mapping it's not 100% closed when it starts making boost, a better mapping will prevent this and allow it to build up boost pressure sooner and faster). Mine started making boost slightly above 2k rpm and had the same boost as stock (0.75 bar i believe) at slightly above 3k rpm. At 3.8k rpm it had 0.97 bar resulting in 290HP and 400NM (whereas with the stock mapping it would have 0.75 bar at this point).

I gotta stop to reminisce about this car... it makes me sad because i know i'll never find one in the same mint condition again... :bananadea

So yours is an S2?
EDIT: You wrote 2.7l, so i guess not.

Quote from Dennis93 :

It was a very 'used' Porsche, used for driving schools, this was shortly before it got sold..

But i agree it was a very good car indeed, Under rated alot.

I once drove a 944 with poor maintenance history, i can immagine...

They are under rated indeed!

I was very lucky with the one i had... found it with 90'000km, black with black/beige interrior, owner took amazing care of it and it looked like new, for 15'000 swiss francs. I was 24 years old and felt like i had something better than a ferrari.
Today the same car in the same condition would be more like 30'000 swiss francs, probably more... too bad some 70 year old half drunk guy didn't pay attention and drove right in front of me on a country road (coming from a side-road)... tried to avoid the crash by steering into a field at the side of the road... where a landmark stone sliced up the whole underside of the car... at least i have some awesome memories.

Quote from Dennis93 :

I had the fortunate expierience of trying one of these on the road, i must say it's a soft slob, but you can really feel how well the car is balanced.

And it's not a bad looking car either!!!

Please define "soft slob". I had a 944 Turbo (250hp version). It was anything but a what i'd immagine a "soft slob" would be like. In fact, it was the best car i've ever driven... and i had the chance to drive cars like M3, F360 spider, RX7 FD, S2000, MX5, etc. None felt as good as the Porsche.

Man, i miss that car...

Quote from Shotglass :

oh i fully agree your insults and posting incorrect graphs that you have no understanding of was really useful and conducive to the discussion

also ive never watched any of it other than the presentation of ridiculous products so i have no idea whether its any good

Ohh for christs sake, get that sand out of your vagina already. Insults... pfff! You're the one who called me an idiot if i may remind you.

And we're at the same point again... i would have liked to further discuss the topic, since it's actually an interesting one. But i see you're still in the same old mood of yours, so i'm not even going to bother.

Have a good day sir.

Quote from Shotglass :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ&T=13m10s

Finally a useful reply from you. Seems like a very good presentation, i'll watch it in detail and more carefully when i have time to do so.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

I don't think Jibber is the sort of mug who swallows what hi-fi shops try to sell their customers, he just loves classic hardware and enjoys using it.

I think some of the stuff that they sell to audiophiles might actually improve sound quality, the question is by how much, and if that's worth a few thousand bucks. I think it's roughly the same as with music instruments... you can buy a terribly expensive guitar, which will maybe sound amazing, you can buy a very good guitar for a fraction of the price and it will sound very decent, or you can buy the cheapest in the store and it will sound like crap.

I made the same experiences with audio equipment.

As far as testing what sounds good goes, i have always trusted my ears (personal taste and preference plays a big role as well).

For example the phono-preamp...

Old hi-fi amps are supposed to have good phono stages, but when i listen to the sound results i get with this dedicated phono-pre, my built in revox phono-pre sounds like sh*t in comparison. For example, the stereo image is far more detailed... which is something you can hear instantly, especially when switching back to the inferior unit.

The preamp costs roughly 200 bucks and sounds a lot better than the phono stage of my old hi-fi amp that i payed 700 bucks for. Better sound, reasonable price... equals an easy and justified purchase for me.

On the other hand, there's clearly stuff you can use to burn your money. For example, Grado makes a phono-preamp that costs over 700 bucks. It comes in a nice looking wooden casing and looks the part, while inside, there's a very simple RIAA circuit that can be copied for a cost of around 30 bucks in parts. People say it sounds nice nevertheless, which even might be true... but it's not worth 700 bucks.

I tested a few more phono-pre's before i bought the cambridge one. A few of them were more than double the price, and none did sound as good. So yeah, you can indeed burn a lot of money for so called "audiphile" equipment. On the other hand, some of the stuff really gives noticably better results.

I think i've once read somewhere that when building a speaker and using the best parts available, you'll come to a price limit of around 6k in hardware costs (i believe this was some rough example, no idea how true it is). Or in other words, the best possible speaker should not cost you 50k... but there's tons of speakers in that price range (and did they really put the best hardware inside?). The key with good audio equipment is finding the stuff with the high quality components inside but a simple and inexpensive "casing" around it.

I guess what i'm trying to say is, not every "audiophile" hardware is humbug. Quality components will make a difference, the question is if your 50k speakers with piano finish and diamon flakes in the paint actually have good components inside... and if the sparkly reflections in the paint was really worth another 40k...

There's stuff i clearly avoid when it comes to these kind of products, like stupid expensive cables that sound the same as a 5-10 euro cinch stereo cable. Power bars that provide "perfect" power, when there is no audible difference at all compared to when my equipment is connected to the outlet in the wall of my room (i actually tested a few of those products out of curiosity and took them back to the store the next day).

I'm shaking my head when i see people who use special liquids to "prepare" the needle of their cartridge before playing records, people who grind and polish their CD's at a 45 degree angle to make them play "perfectly" in their CD player, etc. This is the stuff that's made for people who don't listen with their ears, but rather with their eyes and then believe to hear a difference (IMO).

I'm certainly not an audiophile i'd say.

And regarding the digital vs. vinly (analog) discussion...

I believe a high quality digital recording can be superior to the quality of vinyl. Regarding todays technology, i'm sure it's better to record into high quality audio interfaces instead of tape or anything else and then cutting it into vinyl. However, at home people usually play a CD in a CD player (when it comes to a standard hi-fi system)... and in this regard, i still believe a clean high quality vinyl with a halfway decent turntable will sound a lot better (again trusting my own ears here).

Even if we are talking about digital recordings with higher quality than a CD provides, there seems to be a pool of listeners spilt into two big groups... one prefers digital, the other one analog (vinyl). In both groups you'll find educated people with knowledge and understanding of the whole thing on a technical basis. I'm sure there's even a few more toaster developing germans in there somewhere...

I would have been open for a discussion (without having to come to a definite conclusion), but what put me off is the same old "superior" attitude from shotglass because he thinks what he learned at some university is the ultimate truth and that anybody else with a different opinion is either an idiot or an american.

And with that i'm out... making space again for other people to post their material achievements in this thread! :P

Quote from Shotglass :

so your insult was a joke now? thats how youre gonna try to play this?

I'm not playing anything. I made a cheeky comment about your two times claimed professional skills on this subject matter. I even put a smiley at the end for you.

We still don't know what it is you actually do for work and in which kind of way this is giving you the knowledge/experience for you to say that you are standing above any other opinion/claimed facts/etc regarding this discussion.

Instead of seeing this as some sort of internet argument or game that has to be "played", you could simply stop the kindergarten stuff and explain to us what exactly it is that you know and makes you so certain about your answers. Hint: maybe try explaining your answers, instead of just saying something is bollocks and answering stuff with "no you don't".

Quote from Shotglass :

great so your response is pure idiocy and i really cant be bothered to waste my time on dadge
my work is done here

As always, you can't take a joke.

You better be careful, he's an electrical engineer with special skills in IT (for all we know he could be developing toasters for siemens).

Quote from Shotglass :

wait what? the needle i can see a point in but the amp is just and amplifier with a pretty funky transfer function theres nothin in it that you could possibly break in

also keep in mind no matter how much fiddling you do with it youll still get a much better sound from a digital recording

I'm not sure if it's really the case with the preamp, but i've read about it in several places and was told the same thing by people in stores (i didn't buy it at media markt :tilt. There's lot's of audio stuff you need to break in first... speakers, etc. But yeah, you might be right about the preamp.

The other part about digital recordings and records... I guess you've never heard a good record. A good record will sound A LOT better than a CD.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question487.htm

"A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion."

Last edited by jibber, Sat, 7 Jan 2012 10:14.

Quote from dadge :

ask the Scottish DJ if he knows anyone from Leeds. He would be listening to the stuff Kev is looking for and would have a better chance of finding what Kev is looking for.

about the needle alignment. it doesn't have to be as finite as you might think. this is because records come in different thickness's and are made with different compounds. so you might have the tone-arm height set perfectly and weighted perfectly for record "A" but record "B" could be thicker (throwing the tone-arm height off) and softer vinyl (excess tone-arm weight = needle burn).
the sound quality increase comes from the amp. you haven't broke the needle in yet. (usually ~3 hours of record playing)

That's a good idea about the DJ, i'll do that!

And regarding the records, it's not just the amp. Something as simple as an anti skating setting that is off can ruin the sound already. Have you ever listened to a record with vocals that aren't panned, and then had a play with the anti skating wheel? Wrong settings will distort the vocals (and other stuff) pretty noticeably.

And about the thickness... even if that might throw off the adjustments a little, it's still better if the table is adjusted to begin with i'd say. And it's not only about thickness, it's also if your cartridge runs parallel to the groves or not, over the whole side of the record. I've wanted to know the difference and adjusted the system using my old cartridge first, to me it did sound a lot better after everything was more or less within the recommended settings/measurements (i used my standard phono preamp from my hi-fi amp first, not the new dedicated one, so it was a fair comparison).

I know about the needle having to break in first, same goes for the preamp as far as i know.

Last edited by jibber, Fri, 6 Jan 2012 23:03.

Quote from dadge :

What turn table are you using? the last two items seem a bit gimik-ish.

I'm using an SL1210 MKII that i got about two years ago, never used and still sealed in the original box, so the condition is still like new (pic is not mine indeed).

The last two items are something that is not needed a lot (basically only one time to adjust everything, or if you change the cartridge). It's very important for records that the turntable is properly adjusted and the cartridge alignment is more or less correct as well. If you compare an adjusted system to a non-adjusted one, the difference in sound quality is quite big.

The alignment tool you could probably make yourself from a bit of paper and cardboard, the tonearm scale might be more difficult to make yourself (the one i got is the cheapest i could find). Staying within the recommended tracking weight of a cartridge is important as well after all.

PS: I'm also properly cleaning all my records (time consuming process) and got new inner sleeves. All the above things would be a bit stupid if all i'm playing is records with dust from the last 30-40 years on them.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

While we're nearly on the subject, does anyone know any turntablists in the Leeds / York area? My new band could make great use of one.

I know a very skilled dude, but he's from scotland, which is a bit far i guess... :P

Last edited by jibber, Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:56.

Phono Preamp


A new cartridge


A digital tonearm scale


and a cartridge alignment tool


Spent a whole evening adjusting everything, now my records sound amazing!

Quote from G!NhO :

Klutch, pro's and cons of à welded diff for daily use?

Pro's: none

Con's: a lot

You don't need a welded diff anyway, you only get sideways on fields and snow.

It's a toyota supra...

I wonder sometimes if life would be easier with a simple mind like yours... then again, nah... i think i'm fine!

Quote from G!NhO :

Yeah i can absolutely.

If they give their opinion about my car than i am allowed to give my opinion about theirs right? Nothing wrong, and btw read the sig it already answered your question, so your post was useless.

My point is that you react like a little child to these posts. Like a scene in kindergarten...

"Your toy is ugly!"... "Yours is more ugly!... whaa whaa whaa, mommy!"

Quote from G!NhO :

Lol, i respect your opinion.

I'd rather drive my "scrapyard" car, them your boring old folks car.

Why is it that when someone shares their opinion about your car, you instantly have to revert to talking crap about theirs? Can't take a bit of criticism, can you?

Quote from DejaVu :

Nope I lied

Idiot.