still no lfs platoon for pc?

Quote from E.Reiljans :

You can adjust traffic density to as high as "Rush hour" (I guess 17:30 or so? don't use AM/PM on this forum please, it's international).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_2Tyru-dA&hd=1 this is how traffic in CT 3/4 looks like.

dude where do you live????? I live in a 20 000 ppl town and there is way more trafic then there...

going wrong way... they don't slow down or whatever. Where are the people. Gameplay of the german autobahn, why is everyone driving on so random lanes. Why does every car have the same speed. Why (exept at 0:33) are they just ignoring everyone especially why don't they make space when you come from behind fast. Btw, 0:33 is awkward again. While straight roads, why is everyone driving perfectly in the middle.

For a realistic traffic you also need realistic kind of personality's, you see that especially a on the german autobahn, you have speeders, you have cruisers, you have total a**holes and everything in between. Why don't you just admit it's impossible to create realistic realtime traffic in a game.

Quote from E.Reiljans :

Check Crash Time IV. It has very realistic traffic.
And it's map is pretty huge.

How is this game any realistic... cars ignoring rules.... you crash them, they just continue driving and I guess the game takes place in Köln, which has a population of about 1 million people. So the traffic density is simulating what? 11 pm???

And I was still refering to this:

Quote from tristancliffe :

The AI needs to be upgraded from terrible to acceptable. This is not achieved by random animations that play based on proximity to the player. It needs traffic that might actually behave like traffic, at a density one might find in a city. It needs accidents caused by avoiding you result in the drivers getting out and exchanging details. It means have police that actually behave like police, rather then letting you kill people, carjack and drive like a loon, but then giving you 3 stars of wanted from something not very unlawful.

We've had all these crappy elements for 10 years. I'm sure PCs and consoles are a lot better now, but all the processing power is spent putting smoke on exhausts and (rather nice, admittedly) clouds morphing in the sky.

And it is pretty much impossible to have a entire city simulated with every person reacting "normal" as you would expect in real life.

Last edited by John5200, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 18:16.

Quote from E.Reiljans :

John5200.. best chess engines don't have any precalculated data..

Search for "Rybka vs Fritz" for example and have a nice look of play of two different engines, both of which don't have any precalculated data


PS: the "32GB for hash table" in your quote is amount of RAM needed, not size of installer. It can be saved to HDD, yeah, but it's not on the disk in the first place.

what ever... no matter if it needs to settle on your ram or your hard drive, simulating an city is kinda impossible.

And for fictional vs. real cars, I prefer having damage rather then shiny cars that only get some scratches. So fictional cars all the way the rest can be made like in all other GTA's via mods...

Quote from JackDaMaster :

shooting pic

That's exactly how I feel in every god damn FPS .

Quote from E.Reiljans :

wat.

Rybka4.1 engine = 5MB
Basic UCI-compatible GUI for it = 3 MB

as far as i'm aware a engine is just responsible for running stored information not having a lot of info itself

According to wiki this is claimed to be the best:

Quote :

Houdini 2 has a strength limit feature - from 0 (beginner) to 100 (full strength), is more user-friendly in analysis, has position learning, supports Chess960 games and is available in NUMA-aware version for high-end, multi-socket servers.
Houdini 2 was released on September 2, 2011. According with the info provided at the official web, Houdini 2 (Standard version, up to six cores and 4 GB of for a hash table) is about 25 Elo stronger than Houdini 1.5a, while Houdini 2 (Pro version, up to 32 cores and 32 GB of hash) is about 40 Elo stronger than Houdini 1.5ab-16. (A special compilation of Houdini 1.5a fr up to 16 cores could be acquired if the client makes a donation for Houdini project.)
Houdini 2 also incorporates a 'Mate Search' function that helps to solve long mates faster than without this option.

Not gone into to much detail but as far as I'm aware AI is HARD to program

Last edited by John5200, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 14:35.

Quote from tristancliffe :

The AI needs to be upgraded from terrible to acceptable. This is not achieved by random animations that play based on proximity to the player. It needs traffic that might actually behave like traffic, at a density one might find in a city. It needs accidents caused by avoiding you result in the drivers getting out and exchanging details. It means have police that actually behave like police, rather then letting you kill people, carjack and drive like a loon, but then giving you 3 stars of wanted from something not very unlawful.

We've had all these crappy elements for 10 years. I'm sure PCs and consoles are a lot better now, but all the processing power is spent putting smoke on exhausts and (rather nice, admittedly) clouds morphing in the sky.

well ai acting like humans is not really possible, just look at good chess games.. they have more then one gig of information what to do when. it's just kinda impossible atm.... of course it would be grate but....

Quote from tristancliffe :

Cars, bikes, carts, light planes, trucks, jets, helicopters and jets are nothing new. Zeppelins are hardly much different from other forms of flight for the purposes of the game, and jetskis are much like boats.

All of this has been in GTA before. So isn't new.

The struggle is to make the game feel like you're part of a city. In all previous versions you've felt like you're not actually PART of the city, with very simple and sporadic interaction. Occasionally people will scream and run away. Occasionally some random person(s) will shoot at you. But it's just filler between driving fast for no real reason.

However, it'll be fun, and I'm looking forward to it. But lets not pretend this will be very different to the older versions.

yeah.. but what element would be missing? pc's are not ready so that you could talk to every person in the city, or if every house would be accessible and even if, what would be the use of it?

Quote from JJ72 :

actually a bit disappointing? same realistic city setting and didnt see much new elements

ummmm.... cars, motorcycles, gulf carts, jetskis, light planes, trucks, jets, zeppelins, helicopters and private jets....

what where you expecting? ufo's?

edit: someone online pointed this out... release date 24.05.??? (bottom right corner)

Last edited by John5200, Thu 3 Nov 2011, 11:14.

Well Blender is good at modelling, can uv unwrap and what not and of course is open source.

How? well there are some tutorials online. (I gues for example lfs uv unwrap can be done by the option "project from view" can cause problems with intakes (look at the FBM) but I guess that would be the easiest way to do it) Probably depends on what type of car you are going for. Just post some screen shots of the car? (best would be with wireframes).

(Not pro on it eighter:shy

Quote from CTito :

LFS is better in overall graphics?

THIS IS A CELLPHONE GAME!!!!

If a CELLPHONE GAME looks equal or better than a 2011 (almost 2012) computer game, with all nowadays technology etc, something MUST be wrong!

Open your eyes, people, look to the horizon at least ONCE in your lives!

what pixel exactly looks better then f1 2011, dirt 3, bf 3, forza 4, GT5 or even lfs.

Quote from -NightFly- :

Takes longer than in beta? I got into the game faster than in bc2 in bf3 beta.
haven't got the game yet...waiting for the payday

yes but...

Quote :

We´re seeing that a lot of users are experiencing issues with activating their product keys in Origin at the moment.
Of course, we are on top of this and have our teams work hard to track and fix the issue as soon as possible.

For users who don´t need to activate any codes but are still playing, the game might start a bit slower than usual.

origin... gotta love it....

Quote from Electrik Kar :

I just bought it on DVD, but can't activate. A lot of people having the same problem.

Sometimes I think the universe just doesn't want me to play games anymore.

origin is down atm...

the game itself is awesome but it has way to much going on (software wise)

Bf3 eats lots of ram... nothing wrong with that
+ firefox but that also eats lots of ram (and i cant close it since i always loose connection to the server)
+ punkbuster loves to make trouble
+ need to have origin on all the time

also i don't understand getting into a server.. first it says joining server.. nothing wrong with that, initialising... cool bf shows up, logging in wtf i am logged in into origin, battlelog, wth are you logging in to, conecting.... wth you already joined the server, loading level... finaly, getting in the game, looking at the loading screen... SRSLY... wthy did you do the last minute

it really takes a loooong time for me to get into a server

Quote from TamelCoe :

You can play online with cracked game? wow...

of course... i have my personal cd key.... (it's even legal for example if you have bought a game that requires you to put in the cd everytime you wanna start the game to get a no cd crack that remains the rest of the game unaffected)

the crack was only for getting around the releasdate check

Quote from DevilDare :

A Battlefield game doesnt even need a single player campaign...

check the internet. a lot of people get mw3 just because the singleplayer will be better. of course it doesn't need one but it's like a must have nowadays. especially the bc2 single player was just there so that... they can state there is one...

Last edited by John5200, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 14:31.

Quote from PMD9409 :

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I'm playing it on hard, taking me a bit longer to get through missions than expected, however not really a bad thing. The jet scene (should I be quiet?) is pretty intense, but I'm a bit confused on how to actually do it on hard. They pop the flares each time you shoot, no way of getting around it.

Oh and I normally beat the campaign before jumping online. Yes, I'm old school like that.

yeah, hard is harder then expected. one of the first missions where you had to get the lmg on the bridge was quite frustrating. the only whay to get the lmg was to rush but since there is no cover you get shot quite often before you even get there (at least i)

and just keep shooting on them, takes a while but somewhen the don't use flares and are down.

and multiplayer is insane the only things that bug me are:
1. sometimes it's hard to get on a server because the game crashes
2. if i manage it to get on a server the game freezes at least every second round (it happens only in multiplayer for me. and the game is harder to kill then in the beta. in the beta the game just crashed, leading you to get back back in your browser and i just had to click close game and it was done. now it just freezes and i have to get the taskmanager + the mouse is stuck to the top left corner -.-)
3. i only had one god game with a squad that kept together. lol just noobs there

but seems like 99% of the beta bugs are fixed (inclouding the undead guys which was VERY impportant to fix) usually no lags, whatsoever

(dunno if the problems are caused because i use a crack (yes i use a crack because i don't see why i'm not allowed to play my purchased hard copy game.... )

will replace it with the original file tomorrow, hope it will fix issues

btw could anyone explain why europe always has to wait longer for the release then us... I mean a game developed in sweeden is released first in us. and the reason for this is: "you live in europe"?

It's the same like: "You can't walk here because you are black"

Quote from Uke :

Why the hell is he visiting a sim racing forum then?

and why does't he just connect a goddamn gamepad to the pc like i do with trackmania (and get "zomg 4w350m3 v1br4t10n5")

Quote from -NightFly- :

They have stated very clearly on their forums that yes they are doing it for purpose, and no i do not know exactly what that "stresstesting" means but i do not care either, I'm not a programmer or graphics designer so i wouln't understand every detail anyway. As long as they deliver a decen't product i'm fine.

of course.... i had it several times that 100% of the servers where full. of course this is a stress test. and yesterday when everyone wanted to join the CB servers and all where lagging like hell, it was also because of the MASSIVE amount of join request etc. the metro ones where running smooth as hell at that time.

Quote from simulation :

Anyone know if there will be another change of map during the beta?

I found it quite buggy on pc, but the visuals looks amazing.
on the other hand on x-box it seems more consistent, minus the ocasional
white flash of the screen.

But way too many spawn campers, but I guess that's the downside of their marketing campaign, stealing COD players doesn't mean they will change their play style.

(BTW not hating on call of duty... I play it also, spent a good part of 500$ on it in the last couple of months...games+map-packs X 3 platforms)

i highly doubt it

well i guess the real game will be way better since it has all vehicles etc. + operation metro is no battlefield map

my fav vid atm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nMVam5mAjs

Quote from TamelCoe :

Steam has a lot of users while origin doesn't. Pretty much explains it if you use your head. Origin sucks imo, also the stupid server browser should be available in game too.
Well, it's the beta...

yeah... origin itself has an ingame browser.. why not use that one

(firefox loves to take 10 - 20 fps in a game)

Quote from Bose321 :

How do they know those fixed actually fix the problems? Maybe it's just in their case, but not for most others.

patches.... bc2 still got one a week ago

btw, finaly got it running on pc

downloaded the game twice now for pc... any idea?

Quote from Bose321 :

I didn't say you say the game is shit. I was talking about Origin etc.

I agree it's lame you HAVE to use these things...

Well, worse is that you have to have something for EVERY publisher.... you need Steam, origin, ubisoft stuf, punkbuster, game spy, whatever. everything about 50 mb. i mean it adds up end everything wants to boot with your pc... that adds up too. I had no problem at all if EVERYTHING would be in steam. But always having to download 30 programs (and eveything of course bombards you with adds (origin is even searching your pc for all software and leaving the room to sell their collected data to 3rd party stuff) sucks.

Edit: wohoo can play on 360 . Well on xbox you pay... but at least you know what you get for it . Well see you tomorrow when its running on my pc . (xbox has lol graphics and stupid controlls )

Last edited by John5200, Thu 29 Sep 2011, 17:16.

germany.... you gotta love it.

If you try to download the beta via origin program it doesn't work because in germany you only can download the game between 23 and 6 H... (youth protection)

If you go via ea it goes to facebook and tells you that you have to click on like (............... ) then you get to a page that tells you how easy it is to get started. So you click on it. While you are still in facebook, that page is totally overloaded and asks you to come back 10 minutes later. If you are lucky enough to get on that page, it asks you to type in your ID card number for the youth protection (........... ) after that (if you are lucky enough to not time out) you have to type in your name mail adress and choose what platform and click next again... dunno what happens then because never managed it to get further... (everytime you timeout you get back to the first facebook page....)

any ideas?

I mean i wanna download it atleast... its 4 gigs

Edit: well for the time being i download it atm via 360..... (well... i know but i really wanna see it now. (xbox pay money to be online.... but then it atleast works.) gonna bother with the pc version tomorrow)

Last edited by John5200, Thu 29 Sep 2011, 16:53.

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