Quote from mrodgers :

I'm going to disagree with the folks saying "why bother on short public races" as well. Usually the most exhilarating races are the short ones, at least from my experience. (...)

Saying sorry IS important. It is an admission of guilt if nothing else. It is saying "hey, I made a mistake, I'm owning up to it, I admit it!" If punting someone else off, I will wait for them. If they spin off because of them being the one to make contact, I will sometimes wait for them. Winning means nothing to me if there is no one to race. There is only 2 others you are racing at any given time, the guy in front of you and the guy behind you, and I want to keep them close to have a good battle.

I fully agree with this - except that sometimes you do race more than two people at a time, which is especially exhilarating when approaching busstop on So classic reverse .

I rather say sorry once too much if something is not my fault, than not saying it when I did screw up (someteimes you just can't be sure). I think it's good for the athmosphere .

Quote from nikimere :

that was the suggestion on the other topic on this. have like a globe with different weathers in the different assocciated parts (UK 2 locations, Jamaica, Japan and any other locations that are added by the time this is implemented).

No more racing on Blackwood during winter time then?

Seriously, not only did we have this discussion before, it is also still very premature - we don't even have any weather yet and won't have it before S3. But of course, we can always dream .

Edit: I'm not really sure which part of this discussion Kev's post refers to, but it's damn funny

Don't know if it's possible with the current system, but a little number on the orange cars indicating how many laps they are behind would be nice (0=same lap, 1=one lap, etc.). Same would go for the cars in front of you, although I think it's not really important.

Quote from Eldanor :

The RB4 and UFR models were supposed to be updated, but they are still the same after a year and a half .

I'm not moaning ok? But come on, it's only a low poly car model, I've seen people on this forums creating stunning high poly car models in a week!!!

I'm just guessing her, but the updates of the UFR (which I personally like the way it is) and the RB4 will probably come with the new interiors. It will have to be an incompatible patch, though.

I agree that pedestrian safety probably plays a large role in why modern cars look ugly to many people (although we might think differently about that in 10-20 years time). However, that's not the reason why those are no fun (if they don't have a gti or st badge). The reason for that is mainly passenger/driver safety, which just makes them so heavy that they need 200+ horsepower to be fun. The MkI Golf GTI had what? 115 hp maximum? That was plenty for it's low weight and that in turn just made it more nimble, of course, (more or less) regardless of horsepower.

But back to topic: Eric decides what the cars look like and I personally couldn't care less -- It's how it drives that counts. And I certainly wouldn't choose a car in LFS just because it looks like th 911 (G-model, the most beatiful car ever built ), if it drives like a tanker.

Quote from Cue-Ball :

I've been using three pedals and h-shifter for a few months now, but only the last two weeks have I been able to put in some good time. Even after those two weeks I'm not as fast. It's very easy in LFS to make a mis-shift, partly because of the way the clutch is handled (no dead area at the bottom). Also, because game shifters don't really have much feel and because they're a bit sloppy (the G25 shifter, at least) it's easier to make a mistake due to the lack of feel.

I went from the Wingman to the DFP, then to the G25. 900* rotation makes such a huge difference. I would never want to go back to a 200* wheel.

Thx for the answer!

The reason I was asking is, that I'm more of a casual driver. I don't put too many kilometers on the clock per week. Some weeks I don't get to race at all in others only for a couple of hours. I still like the idea of having a clutch, but if it takes too much time to adjust to, it might not be a very good solution for my situation - but a DFP would probably not be too hard to get used to? (I'm also using the Wingman Formula Force GP atm)

(Actually this doesn't belong in this thread, especially since it's in the improvement suggestions, so, maybe I should open a thread in the OT-forum. Sorry for bumping in )

To say sth On topic: I don't see anything wrong with what's being suggested here, provided it would be fairly easy and quick to implement. Doesn't take anything away from anybody imho, but would be a benefit to some.

Quote from Bob Smith :

Funny it feels like the opposite to me. It should get a little more spongey once energy absorbtion is coded.

I totally agree. As it is now, the cars feel rockhard to me. I wonder if that has anything to do with those movement settings?

Hi there!

I've been reading this topic with interest (and amusement at certain points ) and have a question to all 3-pedal-users. Just out of interest: How many hours of driving did it aproximately take you guys to be up to same speed as with your previous 2-pedal-setup? Did any of you go directly from a wheel with, say, 270 or 200 degrees of rotation to the G25? And if yes, how long did it take you to adjust to the new setup (3 paddles plus extra rotation)?

Linsen

Quote from MuNkEr :

As a complete n00b in LFS (despite having S2 license for a year now), I'm really liking the STCC servers because of the frequent course changes.I race in the XFGTi 90% of the time I play online and due to the fact I can't play regularly (some of us racers have jobs with long hours and/or take us away from home alot.!!) enough to get good enough to drive competitively,STCC are providing the kid of variation a part time racer like myself can benefit from.I've learnt more in my past 3 sessions online about the track layouts than I have in 12 months of jumping servers and having to switch to cars I can't handle yet,so if you are what you drive then,yep I'm a pregnant rollerskate.

Very well said! It's sort of the same for me. I've been playing LFS for a little longer than you (on and off) and I always tended to choose combos I knew I was fairly competitive at. So the problem was, I didn't really learn too many new combos. Now with the STCC license system I'm getting this extra motivation and even if my license status only advances ever so gradually, it's still fun to see it going somewhere .

I agree however, that it would be nice to have different license paths. Like LRF, GTRs and single seaters. I hope it will come soon.

Happens to me even though I only use Shift+F4, but only if I click out of LFS - meaning: as long as the LFS window stays active AA and AF stay. If the LFS window is inactive and I then go back to it, AA and AF are gone and will be back as soon as I restart LFS (got an nvidia card). It's not that much of a problem, but I sometimes want to download a setup from inferno while staying connected to a server. I can't do that because I hate playing without AA/AF.

Quote from Micha :

Why do you all need to rate everything??? Rate and compare to each other? Just to say, well this one is the BEST! There are so many talented people out there. Some prefer this, some that.

Ok, let's not rate then

Has I.Scud been mentioned? Not extremely active user (3 posts, lol) but his one (and only, I suppose) video is imho one of the if not the best lfs-promo videos ever made (it's the best I know anyways):

http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... 15757&highlight=intro

Quote from KENWOOD :

-1 Because some players havent Atomi power plan PC and more players=more FPS requriment.... and more LAG and more noobs and idiots in server

LFS has probably the least hardware requirements of any recent racing game right now, so I think this shouldn't lock out anyone.

And I really don't get these n00b-arguments . LFS is a racing simulator, and as such not intended to be easy but to be realistic.

I'm all for false starts, of course, as it's a step towards more realism (and of course anyone may choose whichever gear he wants then). As for the possibility to change gears within the current system, I don't know what that should add. If you're not capable of starting the BF1 or FO8 in 1st, than you should probably not be driving it online anyways and simply need more practice (it should be noted that I never drive the BF1 online, even though I am capable of starting it in 1st gear. I'm just not capable of racing it around the track with a few other cars in the grid safely).

I do think however, that it should be possible to disable false starts from the server side, so you could set up n00b-servers without having traffic jams in the pits when 80% of the field comes in for the drive-through penalty . I would be practicing starts offline, though.

Who knows when Scawen will implement this (I'm certain he will), as it would have to be an incompatible patch, I suppose.

+1 totally! (including the scaling according to track length)

How anyone could be against this is really beyond me. It means more possibilities. Each server admin can already decide how many connections he wants to allow - so if your server is not capable of handling 42 slots, then set a lower number. And if you don't want to race with more people online (why would you not, though? :really, join a server that only allows fewer racers.

Hasn't this been discussed before somewhere? Maybe someone even got a link to a post by scawen commenting on this?

Anyway, I'm sure it will come -- probably somewhere on the road to S3, but who knows.

I found the video I was talking about on my PC . It's called [marginal drift] and is in fact made by Lajoosh.

For anyone who's interested to see what I was so enthusiastic about back in the old S1 days, I uploaded it to youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t07j3qn_EEw

Quote from csurdongulos :

I remember that one, it was Lajoosh I think (or a couple more oooo-s ), try pm-ing him.

Yeah, that name rings a bell. Thx a lot

Can't really say who's the best, but the video I enjoyed the most of all I've seen was probably from S1 and unfortunately I don't have it anymore . Maybe somebody here remembers this rather artsy video which had some 360 degree drifting in it (XRT), a lot of b/w (or all b/w?) and the music was Col from Morcheeba? I don't remember who made it, but I'd be really grateful if somebody still has it and could upload it as I'd love to see it again. It put you in a really sentimental mood ...

Just a short note about how many percent of "the people here" are having problems wit online play: There is a poll on the top of this thread, you know, and according to that atm 20.31 % are finding multiplayer on patch V worse than on patch U. I know that this is not represantative either but it's certainly not "90 %".

And for further clarification: More than 20 % is probably enough to consider the fact that there might be a problem somewhere (could be that 20 % are having processes running that f**k up LFS). I don't know where the problem lies, but as I said before I didn't notice any problems myself. Not even when firefox, thunderbird and AVGuard are enabled, but than again, I'm on a 6MBit connection which seems to be rather reliable and I usually race on servers with a ping around 50.

@Boris: I can only comment on what I experience myself, and if I don't have any problems whatsoever. Stating that, certainly does not mean denying that others might have problems .

Quote from axus :

Becky answered that in her last post, I guess - not much to worry about there.

yep, I should stop previewing and rereading my posts

Becky, one thing I didn't quite get: Would the option for smaller servers mean that the STCC license would only act as a qualification check to enter that server, and that you would not earn points by racing on that server?

Quote from axus :

I hope that makes sense - this is what I've been trying to say all along. Servers can't abuse the system, drivers get qualifications based on the servers they go to. Other server can daisy-chain with whatever other servers they want - I could decide that I want STCC silver drivers only on the LXCC server. At the same for instance, SamH could decide he only wants FWD GTR Beginners and upwards for the UKTC GTR servers but the FWD GTR server could also require an STCC qualification... etc.

The downside would be that it might be quite frustrating finding the right license server for your status, but otherwise I like this idea and would be willing to accept mild irritations this might involve. And wouldn't that be possible with what Becky wants to make available?

Quote from axus :

Bans should be handled by a "governing body", not just one person or a bunch of people that can make decisions on their own. The implications of a ban of this magnitude should be considered - bans should be reserved ONLY FOR OBVIOUS WRECKERS. No-one should be banned because his team-mate was misbehaving. No-one who goes emo and requests a ban should be granted the ban without reason so that they can't blame the system.

This doesn't sound too bad, but I'm not sure who would want to be the "governing body" and if server admins would really want to hand the right to decide on who to ban over to that governing body. And wouldn't it still be possible to ban server based AND system based. So a ban from a participating server would mean that you can still race on other participating servers?

Quote from Diskovod XRT :

Car is uncatchable on med and high speeds when it slides hard, there is no chance to catch it.

Well, that's why you're not supposed to drive while on med(ication) .

Quote from Diskovod XRT :

Yes, I did unlock my single player and I'm happy to have an unlocker for it, not the original LFS S2 License.

Not sure what this actually means, but probably that Diskovod will soon have "is not welcome" underneath his username and that this thread can be locked?

Quote from birder :

If this is possible ConeDodgers would join the system but if [CD] users have to use S1 type cars on a track they hate to get a licence then i cant see it working because they just will not bother.

But what, if there was a different license path for GTR-type cars. So you would start out either with the UFR or the XFR and as soon as you go silver (or even bronze) you could move up to the big GTRs. Would that be feasible? I mean, it shouldn't require too much time for the good drivers to get their bronze/silver license - and UFR/XFR races can be a lot of fun btw .

I haven't had any problems with patch V. No stuttering, no freezing whatsoever. LFS does seem to run more fluently (less of this slight warping of other cars), but I'm not 100% sure about it, so I voted "same as before" when I should have voted "definitely not worse, maybe even better" - which is not an option, of course

What Gunn said.

What Becky said.

Plus: I think the problem Quint999 pointed out - and which has been pointed out before - is actually a large part of what and why we're discussing the whole system here. We're trying to find out what would be the best way to run such system without locking anybody out from the LFS experience. And this is done despite the fact that any server owner could actually do whatever he or she pleases without asking anybody. I think this shows already that the danger of a division of the LFS community because of a bunch of tiered servers is not as present as it might look at first glance.

Edit: Slopi said it already, but with a slightly different weighting

And while I'm still at it: If the tiered servers should turn out to be the most populated while others remain incactive, then that's a community decision! Like "voting with your feet", in a way. It might not be the "majority" of players, but instead a large portion of the most active ones. That however is a quite natural effect. It's the same in democratic elections: People who don't vote are not represented.

Last edited by Linsen, Thu 4 Jan 2007, 11:06.

Sounds like something's really evolving there

Oh, wait, NOO!!!
I just realized that I will probably never get past bronze!!!
OK, stop this whole licensing business right now, scratch STCC immediately!!!
Free servers for free people!!!*











*) Just to give you an idea of things to come