First of all, LFB in real Life is not dangerous at all. As was said before, if you've gotten used to it, it's just as safe as RFB. Taxi drivers do it all the time to stress both sides of the body a little more evenly (erm, bad example as far as safety goes - Taxi drivers are dangerous ). I used to LFB all the time in my good old automatic Nissan Sunny, but I don't do it anymore as my good old Audi 80 has manual gear box (measly four gears, actually). In LFS I LFB as I feel it is much easier and faster, as said before.

About heel-toeing in LFS: I don't know if it's just me, but I don't think it would be very effective, as there's virtually no way I could get my right foot on the gas-pedal properly and controlled while fully pushing the breaks. Might be that I'm not loose-jointed enough (very likely) or I need to set up the pedals on my FFGP differently, so that I would have full break power when the pedal is only half compressed, or something - don't know, but I guess I'll keep LFB. Unless I should get a clutch pedal or the G25 one day (not very likely) .

Just to light ppl up a little:

Here's a girl currently keeping me from playing LFS (see attached pic).

And before anyone starts to make silly jokes referring to weird sexual behavior: no, she is not my girlfriend, just a girl and a friend. And I'm sure, my human girlfriend (no pictures will be posted) wouldn't approve on anything further - and neither would I .

Coulthard was definitely not the only one who put the blame on Montoya. In German TV they also said that Montoya was way to optimistic in attempting the pass there and going a little too fast into the turn. And the way I witnessed it, Rosberg actually did not even close the door on Montoya but instead stayed further to the outside than he normally would have. But Montoya rumbled over the curb and apparently "hopped" into Rosberg.

Rosberg himself btw said, that it was maybe 15% his fault and 85% Montoya's. The German commentator however didn't agree, he said it was very nice of Rosberg to take part of the blame, but he felt it was 100% Montoya's fault. Of course, one has to take into account that Montoya does not have the best reputation and therefore ppl are likely to blame him.

Quote from gremwood :

MRT6 Turbo

wootness

erm, the mrt5 is turbocharged already

I really like that idea of reversing the top xx% or the top x drivers. It would have the benefits of reversed grid while pretty much eiliminating the downsides. +1

Well, I think the difference between the MRT5 and the MRT6 would have been rather small and therefore there was really no need to put in the MRT6 as an addition to the MRT5. A replacement would have been much more likely. But of course, that doesn't make much sense for a racing sim, does it? Think about the efforts the devs would have to put into it just to get a car with pretty much the same characteristics as a car already ingame illepall.

And as for the MRT6 with wings from the screenshots: I don't know if McGill tested wings or if the devs just tested the aeromodel, but the rL MRT6 came without wings and therefore the LFS-MRT6 should have come without them as well, I would think. And btw: Wings are not prohibited in formula sae, but they probably don't make much sense due to the relatively low speeds.

You came up with that logo in 47 minutes? (or were you referring to the earlier post? that wasn't me, though). That logo looks really cool and if not for the server list, it could still be used for participating team-websites, car-skins and whatnot to advertise the idea. I would gladly update my skins with it. Maybe even with a slogan in front: Keep your server [logo]. Thus saying: "Keep your server barricaded". Or just "keep it barricaded". As for the servers: iB in front of them would definitely do it for me, but the server owners would have to decide, of course.


Anyway, I'm glad the idea didn't go unnoticed and am awaiting the outcome .

erm, yeah ... as much as I enjoyed he conversation , I would really like to bring something up again that has been said in a much earlier post:

Is there a way for ppl to find out which servers are actually participating in this great "wrecker barricade"? And if not, do you think it would be appropriate to just publish the server names somewhere, so everybody who's interested can look them up? What was suggested earlier was that there should be a tag within the server name or a message on connecting to it. As for the first option, I'm not sure if all server owners would want that. And the second one I find not too helpful since I would like to know beforehand if I'm connecting to a wrecker-barricade-server or not. A list somewhere would be fine imho and it shouldn't be too hard to do, should it?

thx for your great efforts and keep up the good work

Hi Racedoctor,

I don't know what it's like on demo-servers right now as I don't go there, so I can't really say if S2 full is worse or the same as far as wrecking goes. But what I know is this: There are a lot of servers with fair and clean races and only very seldomly do I come across races or servers where a lot of foul language is used and much wrecking, intentional or not, is going on. This might be due to the fact that most of the time I find myself racing on well-known team servers. I mostly end up on "Mercury Racing #1" recently (well, not too recently as I had absolutely no time to race) or, some weeks ago, on the NASSA servers. Reason being that they always run the OLFSL combos, the league I'm participating in.

So one advice would be to join a league or organized events (as said before) to have some nice racing. You might want to have a look at OLFSL. The good thing is that all kinds of racers of different skill levels come together there and the events always guarantee some close competition.

The second advice would be, that even if you don't feel like joining a league, checking their race calendars might be a good idea. You are likely to find a server running the combo of the upcoming events with a bunch of serious racers who are practicing for it. Wrecking and foul language should be the exception on those.

About the vids Darkone posted: I think overtake1 and overtake3 are pretty clear. Nice overtaking moves executed by drivers who obviously knew what they were doing. I especially like overtake1.

Overtake2 (which isn't an overtake, obviously) illustrates very well imho, why the concept introduced by Senna in the opening post usually does not work in LFS with all the drivers of different skill levels and different concepts of what "real racing" is in their opinion. Darkone said it himself: He was lucky that Adam did _not_ turn in on him. I would not have turned in either, even though I would have had all the right to do so, as the driver behind was clearly in no position to pass. But I like finishing races more than I like crashing. Darkone did the right thing and backed off. However, many drivers (usually fast ones who think online racing is the same as hotlapping) would not have backed off. Knowing that, I tend to leave room - especially in certain chicanes - which means slowing down. That sometimes leads to the situation described somewhere in an earlier post: both cars are slowing down, waiting for the other to take the line. Or, often enough, it leads to the situation that I end up losing a position

So, the bottom line is: In general I would fully agree with Senna's concept, the way I understand it. But the reality of LFS is not like that. And I don't think vids will change it, because in most of the cases the ppl you are fighting have not seen them. Unfortunately, I don't have a better solution, and I actually think there is none.

I had the same problems once on my old gfx card. I soon replaced it with a brandnew 9800 Pro and everything is fine ever since. So it seems like your card is somehow screwed. But if you just bought it, you should still have warranty ...

I like the lighter one. It almost looks as if it had specular highlight (like real asphalt/tarmac). Maybe a bit too much, though, but overall, I think it's really getting there.

Quote from Micha :

To all lost souls out there....

http://www.tps-racing.de/filme/LFSforLovers.rar

Gee, that is a really nice movie ...:lovies3d:. And very special too .

Very strange poll, I must say, and the outcome is even stranger. Everybody who voted for second or third option is clearly condemning a whole group of ppl just because a minority of that group is not behaving nicely. That's unfair, prejudicial and displays imho a really bad attitude. You could condemn the licensees for the same reason, or, for other reasons, the women, the men, the disabled, the foreigners etc. Very sad poll

Thx, guys. Never came across this before and didn't really know what to search for, so I didn't even try.

Still wondering why it's only on fernbay, though ...

Hi there, I noticed that I'm having some strange gfx issues on fernbay green (haven't noticed any of this on other tracks). There are strange lines on the track, in the trees and even in the background at some places (see attached pic). Almost looks like seams between textures or sth. Anybody know what that could be?

edit: I checked once more and it seems to be on all fern bay tracks but non of the others. Could it have to do with Kid's and Don's hires skys? I have those installed but as I didn't like the sky and blueish reflection of fernbay, I switched back to the originals. But maybe not all of the necessary original files? Which ones are only for fernbay?

Last edited by Linsen, Mon 29 May 2006, 16:46.

Even though lalathegreat is a demo racer, his point about setups is not as far off as some of you make it look, I think. The patch hasn't been out for too long and I think it's very well possible that further setup development might make the cars a little more even than they are now. I have to admit, I doubt that they will be as even as most of us would like them to be, but who knows.

I might be wrong here, but it seems to me that before the patch, the FXR had not been compatible for a very long time. It definitely wasn't for me. However, after some time (actually shortly before the new patch came out), I gave the FXR a new try and downloaded a setup from inferno (I think Flotch made it but am not quite sure). With that set I was actually faster on As National with the FXR than with the FZR. Of course, that doesn't count as much, as I'm far from being the fastest racer out there, but it seemed, that the FXR with the good setup suited my driving style a lot better. I wonder, if anybody else had a similar experience or if it was just me and maybe hope being the father of this idea (erm, I'm afraid that saying doesn't translate too well into english).

Changing weather conditions would be really, really nice, no doubt about that. And it being totally random, like Becky suggested, would be really cool as well. It kind of goes along with the idea of real time day to night transitions. Which also would be cool but not as practical as changing weather. I mean, at least on the european tracks I would be racing at night mostly then, which would kind of suck. Anyway, I don't expect any of this until S3 tbh.

Wow, man, seems you really got some skill. Looking great! Of course, now the grass looks too freshly mowed and could really do with some bad weed and things

But, even though I really like the look, I will probably not use those textures, because racing on it would feel a bit weird. Because you can see all those cracks and chuckholes, but you can't feel them. Would be kind of cool though to have one track like that with everything actually modelled

And they don't even want you to send in the old one? Wow, if that's the case, I hope ppl won't start claiming they have issues and sell DFPs for some xtra cash ... And thus make Logitech change their warranty policies.

Maybe some ppl should think a little more about what the typical set of racing rules has to say about this and not who _they think_ causes what in which certain situation. And, besides, sometimes ppl do break early for certain reasons, you know. Like, avoiding incidents for example, especially in T1. And I like to repeat: Nothing justifies bumping someone from behind on purpose. You simply _can't_ know what that does to the guy in front of you, or how he will react and which further mayhem this might cause.

I can't believe we even have to argue about this. It's really a no-brainer

Not sure, if I'm getting what you're trying to say, cue-ball, but to me, "evening out" the classes does not mean, make all cars in one class _the same_ (except for looks). Instead it means make them all (more or less, depending on track etc.) _equally fast_ while - and here comes the important point - keeping their _individual characteristics_. So, what could possibly be wrong with that?

Quote from Platinum pete :

maybe so but thats 10 people at 100% courtious against 100s of people with 50% courtious.

don't get me wrong i love LFS and am happy with the racing if there are good courtious drivers on the public servers. the point is this situation is rarely happening for me anymore and its getting very frustrating to the point where i'm starting to look else where for my racing fix.

Nah, don't go just yet. It does happen for me quite often, and it has to do with the servers you choose, of course (we know that), and I'm still positive it will get better again. And as for leagues, OLFSL for example (I'm sure there are others as well) is a quite casual league. The current season has ten events and if I'm lucky, I might be able to participate in 5 to a maximum of 7 events. But that doesn't stop me from participating at all, because I'm not going for the overall win (as if I had a chance, lol), just for each individual event and the practicing in between (always a good chance to find courtious ppl who are as well practicing for the upcoming event).

And btw: Your arithmetic is wrong, I think. It's more like this :

http://www.madeasy.de/2/gauss.htm

or this, if you don't feel like reading all through it

http://www.ms.uky.edu/~mai/java/stat/GaltonMachine.html

Of course, anybody who wants to do his share to feel what's needed to make LFS a little better already, can freely do so. Like Becky for example (and others too, just don't know names atm) has made some higher res concrete and curb textures, or Kid and Don have made some higher res sky textures. The devs don't have anything against it, but they chose to keep those things unofficial which I personally think is a good approach. This way, nobody can blame them if an addon is crap or causes problems and thus they don't have to dedicate their time to it. And anybody who wants to try out those addons can do so, but at own risk. I think it's good that way

Quote from ayrton senna 87 :

if someone brakes that early infront of me i usually push them to speed them up. i dont push them off, jsut to speed them up abit, i dont wanna get rammed myself! i will get flamed but i dont care.

now that's just about the safest way to cause a huge pilup in T1 illepall. how an experienced driver can actually say and probably do such a BS is really beyond me.