From the voting it's obvious that most ppl want the classes to be more even. And in an ideal world, I guess they would be while remaining to have very different characteristics. However, let's not forget that it's not as easy as it might seem to even out the classes. Especially since LFS is still under developement and each change to the physics will affect the balance.
It's easy to say, make the FXO 60 kg heavier, put thinner tires on it, change the turbo-modelling etc. but it's not that easy to do as the next physics change might imbalance the classes again. And I think it's clear that the devs are working on the issue, it's just that they're very cautious about it, changing things step by step.
Plus: the setups can make a big difference. Take th FXR prepatch for example. It was by far the slowest car for a very long time - even for not-so-good drivers like myself. But at some time, some pretty nice setups were developed for it. And I remember that all of a sudden, I could get around AS National faster in the FXR than in the FZR.
So, I think time will tell how uneven the classes actually are (although I doubt that it will make much of a difference for the tbo class tbh), and we will get changes with the next physics patch to account for that.
(I voted for evening out the classes, btw
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It's easy to say, make the FXO 60 kg heavier, put thinner tires on it, change the turbo-modelling etc. but it's not that easy to do as the next physics change might imbalance the classes again. And I think it's clear that the devs are working on the issue, it's just that they're very cautious about it, changing things step by step.
Plus: the setups can make a big difference. Take th FXR prepatch for example. It was by far the slowest car for a very long time - even for not-so-good drivers like myself. But at some time, some pretty nice setups were developed for it. And I remember that all of a sudden, I could get around AS National faster in the FXR than in the FZR.
So, I think time will tell how uneven the classes actually are (although I doubt that it will make much of a difference for the tbo class tbh), and we will get changes with the next physics patch to account for that.
(I voted for evening out the classes, btw
)I'm all for a flexible solution. And I don't know anything about how those ban-lists work, tbh. So I'm just thinking from a user's perspective and I could imagine that with the SamH-solution there would be a place where all participating servers were listed and maybe - to pick up Kev's idea - classified as to how strict the banning is.
Uhm sorry for not making myself clear: I was referring to the System SamH introduced here and in Fordman's thread (http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.p...453#post130453). He called it "Clean Servers Club" somewhere so it would be CSC
So far I was of the opinion that all these complaints about wreckers, noobs etc. would really lead to nothing. I've seen those threads come up often enough in my LFS-time without anything ever becoming reality (except for CRC of course, but I don't consider that an even remotely close to perfect solution).
But with the "Clean Servers Club" it's different. It could really work imho
. So don't you think it should have it's own thread with a title that is directed towards server admins? Where you could advertise the idea, explain how it works and invite admins to join? So this would really kick off in a larger scale?
If a thread like this already exists, and I just overlooked it, forget about the suggestion
But with the "Clean Servers Club" it's different. It could really work imho
. So don't you think it should have it's own thread with a title that is directed towards server admins? Where you could advertise the idea, explain how it works and invite admins to join? So this would really kick off in a larger scale?If a thread like this already exists, and I just overlooked it, forget about the suggestion
I aso think it was Shaun's fault. But not mainly because he rejoined before track was clear, but because he didn't back off right before the turn. Before turning in, the other guy overlapped Shaun by more than half a car length and therefore imho was entitled to use the racing line. Especially since Shaun was not quite up to normal racing speed at that time due to his incident.
When rejoining the track, I think Shaun might have moved over to the racing line a bit too quickly, but there was still just enough room for the other guy to pass him on the right. I therefore think it was a borderline move, but not quite penalty-worthy, as the other guy obviously still had time to see it coming and to react.
I'm interested to see how this was judged by the "officials"
When rejoining the track, I think Shaun might have moved over to the racing line a bit too quickly, but there was still just enough room for the other guy to pass him on the right. I therefore think it was a borderline move, but not quite penalty-worthy, as the other guy obviously still had time to see it coming and to react.
I'm interested to see how this was judged by the "officials"
You're right, Al, but there's another active thread about pretty much the exact same thing - currently it's only five posts down
Was going to write a lengthy response but the above sums it up perfectly.
Plus: has anyone ever noticed that these threads pop up ever so often since the beginning of LFS (well, not quite but ever since I am around) and none of the "solutions" ever became reality?
Well, Buddy Christ, as you can see, it's clearly a matter of opinion whether rFactor is worth it or not .
So I'll give you my opinion:
Mods and modability:
First of all, I agree with much that has been said here about the problems with mods and not having them. I personally always had troubles with games that were dependent on mods, simply because it takes a lot more effort and time to thoroughly enjoy them. I believe however, that if you're willing to dedicate that time to a sim, you might really have a lot of fun with it. Problem is of course, that you won't know if you're willing to do that before you've tried. That's a big problem, I don't have a solution for.
As was said before, installing mods is really as simple as it can be in rF, so no problems there. (Only sometimes installing a mod might mess up some files in your base install, which happened to me when installing the 1070 patch and Lienz. Was easily correected by dropping the original files in the appropriate folder, however).
Feel (Physics/FFB):
Again I agree with much that has been said about this. The default FFB settings of rF just didn't do it for me. I felt oddly detached from the road. But then I asked in the forum (major problem for me was that steering resistance didn't increase on turning in) and got quick help. I needed to change a setting in some .ini which I did. This really made FFB feel a lot better. However, I think that it should not be necessary to fiddle with some strange .ini-file in order to get decent settings. It wasn't much of a problem, though, but I think that something is not right when you have to do that.
As for physics, I can't really say if they're better, worse or just about as good in LFS. But what it comes down to for me is feel. And once i got used to the feel of rF I came to like it quite a bit.
gfx:
As much as I disliked the graphics of rF at first, I now like them. I'm running it on dx8 and I can't really agree when ppl say it's rubbish when you're not using the highest settings. I even like them a little better than LFS-graphics actually. It just looks a little more real to me. However, graphics are really not important to me. But this clearly is a matter of opinion. So you'll have to decide for yourself.
PCC:
Well, the PCC mod is probably one of the best mods available for rF atm. It looks great and the cars feel really good to me. Can't comment on realism, however, as I have never driven a Porsche Cup Car i real Life - but I think most ppl who comment on it haven't either.
Community:
I think the rF community is neither better not worse than the LFS-community. Might not be quite as big, but overall very helpful and, erm, just "normal". You do have some annoying fanboys just like here who will bash any other racing sim out there. But there are also, just like here, the voices of reason who try to shut those fanboys up (sometimes to no avail unfortunately). You will also find that the forum is rather strictly run, though, which I personally don't like. Warnings are handed out rather quickly, when you mention LFS as being superior to rF in any respect. Same goes vice versa, though. Posts considered flamebates will be removed in no time (as it recently happened when ppl said the rF Sauber looked much better than the LFS Sauber). So it will be almost impossible to have a conversation about the pros and cons of rF compared to another sim. So you have to be much more careful over there. That really puts me off, as I believe that a community should be allowed to take care of itself. But if you don't mind that, you'll be fine over there.
Did I forget anything? Don't know, but it doesn't matter, since noone will read my post in entirety anyway.
Edit: Of course I forgot something: AI. Naturally the rF AI is _way superior_ to the AI of LFS, and I use rF for offline play only (and therefore can't comment on netcode). And nothing beats the quick and easy pick-up-onlineplay LFS provides.
.So I'll give you my opinion:
Mods and modability:
First of all, I agree with much that has been said here about the problems with mods and not having them. I personally always had troubles with games that were dependent on mods, simply because it takes a lot more effort and time to thoroughly enjoy them. I believe however, that if you're willing to dedicate that time to a sim, you might really have a lot of fun with it. Problem is of course, that you won't know if you're willing to do that before you've tried. That's a big problem, I don't have a solution for.
As was said before, installing mods is really as simple as it can be in rF, so no problems there. (Only sometimes installing a mod might mess up some files in your base install, which happened to me when installing the 1070 patch and Lienz. Was easily correected by dropping the original files in the appropriate folder, however).
Feel (Physics/FFB):
Again I agree with much that has been said about this. The default FFB settings of rF just didn't do it for me. I felt oddly detached from the road. But then I asked in the forum (major problem for me was that steering resistance didn't increase on turning in) and got quick help. I needed to change a setting in some .ini which I did. This really made FFB feel a lot better. However, I think that it should not be necessary to fiddle with some strange .ini-file in order to get decent settings. It wasn't much of a problem, though, but I think that something is not right when you have to do that.
As for physics, I can't really say if they're better, worse or just about as good in LFS. But what it comes down to for me is feel. And once i got used to the feel of rF I came to like it quite a bit.
gfx:
As much as I disliked the graphics of rF at first, I now like them. I'm running it on dx8 and I can't really agree when ppl say it's rubbish when you're not using the highest settings. I even like them a little better than LFS-graphics actually. It just looks a little more real to me. However, graphics are really not important to me. But this clearly is a matter of opinion. So you'll have to decide for yourself.
PCC:
Well, the PCC mod is probably one of the best mods available for rF atm. It looks great and the cars feel really good to me. Can't comment on realism, however, as I have never driven a Porsche Cup Car i real Life - but I think most ppl who comment on it haven't either.
Community:
I think the rF community is neither better not worse than the LFS-community. Might not be quite as big, but overall very helpful and, erm, just "normal". You do have some annoying fanboys just like here who will bash any other racing sim out there. But there are also, just like here, the voices of reason who try to shut those fanboys up (sometimes to no avail unfortunately). You will also find that the forum is rather strictly run, though, which I personally don't like. Warnings are handed out rather quickly, when you mention LFS as being superior to rF in any respect. Same goes vice versa, though. Posts considered flamebates will be removed in no time (as it recently happened when ppl said the rF Sauber looked much better than the LFS Sauber). So it will be almost impossible to have a conversation about the pros and cons of rF compared to another sim. So you have to be much more careful over there. That really puts me off, as I believe that a community should be allowed to take care of itself. But if you don't mind that, you'll be fine over there.
Did I forget anything? Don't know, but it doesn't matter, since noone will read my post in entirety anyway
.Edit: Of course I forgot something: AI. Naturally the rF AI is _way superior_ to the AI of LFS, and I use rF for offline play only (and therefore can't comment on netcode). And nothing beats the quick and easy pick-up-onlineplay LFS provides.
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We used to have a very basic ranking on LFSW, do you guys remember? IIRC it was called winratio or sth like that. Just a percentage really and I'm not sure how it was calculated, but I think it just took into account 1st, 2nd and 3rd places. I hated it when I started LFS as I hardly ever made it to the podium, so my percentage was horrid . It actually kept me from joining some servers where too many ppl were faster than me. I wouldn't care anymore, but I'm still glad it's gone and don't want any of that back 
. It actually kept me from joining some servers where too many ppl were faster than me. I wouldn't care anymore, but I'm still glad it's gone and don't want any of that back The Sauber will come to rFactor eventually, though. Just "not any time soon".
Everybody is entitled to do whatever he likes, but I will keep telling ppl who ask just how much fuel is needed. And I will keep asking how much fuel is needed in case I don't know. I don't see what's annoying about this three line conversation:
me: how much fuel needed?
somebody: 15 %
me: thx
me: how much fuel needed?
somebody: 15 %
me: thx
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