you're going to put 31 cars of different classes together for 24h in just 1 server? That'll be interesting

sooo, no one who can answer some simple questions??

a couple of questions:

Will traction control be allowed?

Will ABS be allowed in the unlikely case of the ABS patch going official?

What are the 2 red/green lights behind each driver for on the signup list?

You will be running 2 servers, how will these 2 servers be put together? Will NGTR run together with GTR? (we might want to like to change classes as there are only 2 teams in the LFR class, but it might depend on how the servers get arranged)

Welcome to the club mate! I'm not sure your avatar is allowable, it's pure prOn!

I agree, I love the action of the reverse grid. It will cause more paintswapping, that is almost inevitable, especially on such a tight track.
I think you just got unlucky, Adam, and come on, we've had some nice fights throughout the season, no?
I do apologise, I was one of the more then 2 that tapped you in the chicane, I really had no intention of outbraking you, there just was more traffic then I had expected... I waited for you to pass me again, in doing that Jward got passed, but we did get him back no? Sorry again :/


As for the FZ5 'disadvantage', I think it is overrated, Dave and his gang drove the FZ last season and he was as quick as the fast RAC drivers. The utterly fast just chose the RAC this season, so the RACs are in front.
(still feels good to be the first FZ driver though )

if you knew you were going to pit, why not let me through?? and a wrong side on a straight? Must be a new rule. Seriously mate, that was dangerous irresponsible driving, a simple sorry from you would be fine, but instead you keep accusing me! (if anyone is interested: end of lap 13)

I hit you? We were on the straight, I was 0,5m behind you and you slam on the brakes! I almost lost the car and lost a lot of time because of that (and in the end probably this meant I lost 3 places too) I didn't make a complaint about it, but saying it was me who hit you kinda pisses me off.

I have a E36 328i. It does 0-100kph in 7.2s. So, looking at madmats data, that seems pretty much spot on. It's fast, as in a fast cruizer, for me it's a good family car. it won't blow you away, but you'll have enough power to never get annoyed.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Tyres behave differently at road speeds (even fast road speeds).

In racing - lower pressures = more grip
On road (and track days, unless you are REALLY pushing it) - lower pressures = less grip.

Same with temperatures.

Also, the construction of race tyres is quite different to a road or performance tyre, and this changes how it behaves too.

The article is about toyo R888s, a road legal semi slick tyre. I'd call it a race tyre, as it is used in several racing classes, but that's open to discussion I guess. The third line of the article also states that the advise is also applicable for racing.

I find the logics LFS uses in its tyre temperature model, well.. logic, but I'm guessing it's not as black and white as LFS makes us to believe. I'm not interested in flaming LFS for this, I am however thinking about doing some real life club racing and I'ld like to seperate facts from BS. (And there's a lot of BS out there )

Hello,


I found an article by someone who should know his stuff, it's something I've read by 'real' racers too: Increased tyre pressure gives increased tire temperature, the opposite of what happens in LFS. Please read the full article below before making up your mind.

Quote :

"My name is Alan Meaker, I am the Motorsport Manager for Toyo Tyres (UK) Ltd.

I was at Rockingham on the Saturday 1ST March at the LOT trackday and worked with a couple of cars using our R888 tyre regarding pressures and tread temperatures.

What I would like to do is to offer some advice on tyre temperatures and pressures and how to achieve the best from our tyres when taking part in either trackdays or racing.

The R888 has a semi race construction (very stiff) and a race tread compound. The optimum tread temperature range is between 85C and 95C measured using a probe type pyrometer, and ideally a maximum difference across the tread of 9C. The maximum hot pressure we recommend is 40psi. Camber angles up to 5 degrees are permissible but the final setting will depend on tread temperatures. It is advisable to have as much positive castor as practical as castor induces a beneficial camber change during cornering. I recommend that the tyres be put through 2 heat cycles before hard use.


The pressures you use will initially depend on the weight of the car, too little pressure on a heavy car can lead to over deflection of the tyre and subsequent failure.

Below are some basic settings:

VEHICLE WEIGHT COLD PRESSURE HOT PRESSURE
Very Light < 800kg 17 - 22 psi 22 - 29 psi
Light 800kg - 1000kg 20 - 26 psi 24 - 32 psi
Heavy 1000kg - 1400kg 23 - 27 psi 28 - 40 psi
Very Heavy > 1400kg 27 - 35 psi 37 - 40 psi


As a tyre gets hotter the pressure increases, this is due to the moisture in the air. The cold pressure you set to achieve a desired hot pressure will depend on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry. If the day/track is cold you will need to start with a higher cold pressure as the tyre will not get as hot therefore the pressure increase will not be so great.
Hot pressures must be balanced side to side. Once the tyres have cooled you will find that you will have a difference in pressure side to side, if you have been racing on a right hand track you will find the offside pressures will usually be higher than the nearside.


Changing hot inflation pressures by small amounts can be used to fine tune handling.

Reduce Oversteer Reduce rear pressures or increase front pressures
Increase Oversteer Increase rear pressures or reduce front pressures
Reduce Understeer Reduce front pressures or increase rear pressures
Increase Understeer Increase front pressures or reduce rear pressures


Achieving the required tread temperatures will depend again on the conditions on the day i.e. ambient and track temperature, wet or dry.

You often here competitors saying “My tyres started to go of towards the end of the race”, this is usually due to the tread getting to hot.

The tread temperatures are constantly changing through out a race, hotter when cornering and cooler when on the straights and cooling even more when you are slowing to come into the pits. Therefore the temps you record in the pits will be lower than those during the race. So if you record temperatures within the range given above the probability is the temps will be too high during the race.

Increasing your tyre pressures will cause your tread temperatures to increase, more pressure stiffens the tyre’s casing which results in the tread having to do more work resulting in the tread getting hotter. Lowering your pressures will cause them to decrease.


Inevitably changing one thing will affect other things, the whole set up of your car is a compromise between anything that is adjustable.

Some of you are also asking about different compounds. Originally we only had one compound ‘GG’ (medium hard), but we have now introduced some sizes in a ‘SG’ (soft/wet) compound. This was done primarily for sprint/hillclimb (around 60 second runs) where the distances covered are relatively short and you need the tyres to work/heat up very quickly. This is not a compound I would recommend for race/trackday dry use as the tyres will go off very quickly.

"

Team: Team Scuderia eLITEsquad Racing Team #13
Driver 1: Lococost
Driver 2: Wimpie

Quote from DuVeL :

Maybe too late, just in case:

License name : DuVeL
Ingame name : Tom Pirot
Car : RAC
Team : Elite (Squad)

:grouphug: You see, Elite do have more than 2 members!

It's as big as the building in his avatar (that avatar drives me nuts!)

Quote from Ghost_CZ :

License name : Ghost_CZ
Ingame name : spdoGhost
Car : RAC, of course
Team : spdoRacing

It's nice to see the league back, thanks!

Uhoh the ghost is back!

Here's what we'll do Ghost, you hold back the all the 3ID violence, I pass you all, win the race, and then you can be first too, first in RAC! Solid plan no?

Hi Dan,
I made a userbar for the RSWC, I didn't make 2, 1 for each car because I'm lazy. Hope you like it.

Loco signing up!

Licence name: lococost
Ingame name: [Elite] Lococost
Team: dunno, might also be looking... speedway?
Car: FZ

spotted: http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=898558#post898558 !!!


:static::static::static:

that sounds interesting. PM me if you need some extra blocking power. I'd love to get banned (again) from a cruise server.

The thing with the script which everyone seems to forget (exept Duck :o) and is the most important, is that it doesnt work on all pc's. That means it does give an unfair advantage to those that can make it work.
It is not a cheat, it is unfair however, and at the risk of beeing called a 'whiner' or a 'moaner', this is something that should have been fixed by the devs a long time ago. This discussion has been going on for years, all because of a flaw that could be fixed by the devs.

I'm sure guys like pecholobo wouldnt mind if the script couldnt be used any more, he (and others) just use whatever means possible to get the maximum out of lfs and its restrictions.

yeah tell'em: je suis mistatea, je suis un nuit elf mohawk, et je dois fair quelque chose d'importance maitenant!

I totally got the time wrong... Normally i'm at home sundayevenings so I just join the server early and see when it starts, but I was away now and thought it started at 21h. (20h english time)... I would have had 3rd in the championship easely otherwise (still kicking myself).

Still, not as big a FAIL as Ferrari, Ross Brawn FTW!

damn, you can't believe how pissed off i am atm

The french gendarmerie -had- this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMOkDQm9bwk
The reporter tells that that only special trained cops can drive the car. No criminal would outrun them now assures the fat cop (called poulain) inside!


Good job on that
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froggs are useless.

The fact that most probably havent even tried the latest version of NFS yet.