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Misko
S2 licensed
I spotted an error in english language file (and in LFS): 56k modem does not have a 56 kb/s upload, it has only 36 kb/s upload. So the available upload can't be 7 KB/s, its more like 4.5 KB/s. (4.5 is what I get when I enter 36 manually as upload)

I updated Serbian translation with new additions, and help file, but there was a strange problem. All my " characters in help file appeared as /" (or was it \") and even like ///" in places where there was colour code. That made LFS stop reading the text in the game at that point, so the help text ended there at the first /" character. I corrected all that, downloaded, put in LFS and all is well. Problem happend in the file that was included in P7 patch.

Also theres a tiny confusion in this line:
3a_novtnolo No vote - no local players in race

Isn't it clearer to say something like: No vote - you must be in race ?
or even: You can't vote as a spectator - you must be in race ?

Who could be the other local player? Hm maybe local AI can, so I could vote for them?
Misko
S2 licensed
I guess you could choose which keyboard should be default for you in Windows, but in anycase swiching between them is always easy with two keys: left alt+shift for me which is default. Don't set to use ctrl+shift for this as that is also used in LFS.
Misko
S2 licensed
DoN's video Slowmotion is really beautiful and shows off LFS physics with FXO on FE Green. Also it is high quality, movement is very smooth.
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Misko
S2 licensed
It's not a real solution but its a workaround: crop the top and bottom of the picture afterwards so you get the 16:9 aspect. Using the same "trick" www.fraps.com can dissapear too.

OK, I tried MPR Message Block and it does work. Didn't know that. But it works only for chat messages, system messages still appear.

Of course, you have to exit LFS, edit cfg.txt then start LFS again for change to work.
Misko
S2 licensed
Qualifying for 2nd race for Group E is due to start in 20 minutes. Tune in with LFS Spectator if you want. Server name obvious.
Misko
S2 licensed
Quote from detail :If I type the number plate in cyrillic, ^C which is put automatically, I suppose, is hidden though counted. I could type only 6 symbols rather than 8.

Originally Posted by Krane
That's nothing new, you encounter same thing if you try to make a multi colored text. ^C ^G ^1 ^2 ^3 etc counts as normal characters in the variables.

Is it possible not to count these special codes in the length of the field? Many people have trouble writing their full names with colours or with codepage codes, and in the number plate theres even less space left available.
Misko
S2 licensed
Quote from Scawen :This is an inevitable problem with the solution to the hot keys problem. For hot keys like T, F, N and so on, LFS now uses Windows "virtual" key codes, instead of "translated" key codes (so it just gets a windows virtual key instead of a cyrillic or greek letter, for example). So if your hot key is in the "wrong place" compared with a UK keyboard, then the hot key will not work. You may find the slash ( / ) function is on some other key now. For example, on the UK keyboard, it's the 3rd key past the M (to the right of the , and . keys).

I hope you won't find many hot keys with this problem. You can get round the small slash key problem just by pressing T then / in the normal way.

What on English keyboard is / on these is - which always worked for blocking messages in all the patches and in P7 too.

Yeah, T then / should do the trick for the non english administrators.

PS I found the ^ on other keyboards: it is on Alt Gr (right Alt) + 3. Might be useful to someone, .
Misko
S2 licensed
Hm found a little bug in P7: Shift 7 on Serbian Latin and Cyrillic keyboard (and German too and some others I think) which is a slash / doesn't work now. It registers only 7 key, left signal light. It worked before P7.
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Misko
S2 licensed
There seems to be a problem if someone wants to use characters from other codepages in the player name. I think the problem is when LFS stores the playername as the filename.ply.

Initially all is well when I make a new player and type in my name with all the characters (I think that everybody else with p3 or p4 patch could also see that name correctly). Problem is when I switch back to another (normal, Latin-1) player, then LFS can't read the strange characters from the strange filename, all I get is the first few letters which were normal, the rest of my name is gone. I can select that "crippled" name but theres no use for it, I have to type it again. Filename itself is not affected it is there in the misc folder, but sometimes it renames it like it appears in LFS (leaves only the first few letters). I'd need to test few more times to see exactly what happens in every case but I hope I was clear enough about the problem.

It doesn't matter if use the default for me codepage 1250 or type ^C and write Cyrillic playername, same strange things happen. If I type with 1250 characters filename automatically starts with ^E.
Misko
S2 licensed
Quote from Scawen :I don't really know what you guys mean, the help for S2, S2 values and so on...

What's missing from the English version, what's not up to date?

Sorry... confused Some examples would help!

For example in multiplayer screen, help for online mode select doesn't mention S2, only demo and S1. Then unlocking help screens (username and password) only mention S1 licences and probably in some other places.
Misko
S2 licensed
Quote from Lible :About the translating:

Where are we going to put the S2 values in help files?

Am i allowed to also include all the S2 values?

I took the libetry to include help for S2 in one or two places in our translation as it was clearly missing in the original english help file. I'll remove those just to be the same as english if thats how it should be, but original is not up to date.

I decided not to translate all the lessons. It's just too much and nobody is sure if it will stay like that in the final version.

Also, Options/Display/Interface is not translatable.
Misko
S2 licensed
Quote from DeXteRrBDN :In your attachment, I can see "Catala" and "Catalù"

I think it should be "Català", and at my LFS is looking right

I just noticed I have two files (Català and Catalù) for some reason with the same date and time, I'll delete Catalù. Maybe the filename was changed in new patch or I downloaded it manually, doesn't matter now.

Hm hm, I can't open Català in LFS, also I can't open Portoguês, probably because of that accents in the filename. As long as it works with your Windows its fine for now, and when Scawen makes it read the language name from the file instead of the filename it would be even better. I always had strange problems with non english characters in filenames (non localised Windows version) so I never use that.
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Misko
S2 licensed
GPL Foolishness:

http://website.lineone.net/~richardn/

Save the page and take your time to read it, its excellent! I always recommend that good old page to anyone that asks what are they doing wrong. I learned a lot from there, and still like to read it from time to time, its quite inspiring. Some of the things are GPL specific but vast majority applies to any kind of racing, sim or real.
Misko
S2 licensed
I too like the new bigger letters, and all the accents for our language look good now.

Excellent thing about language name being read from the file instead of file name. Our Serbian translation has been tested for weeks and weeks and all is well, except Toe-in and Scrub, we can't find the correct words yet. Should be ready in time for the next patch, and we would do the Serbian Cyrillic version as well which shouldn't take us long.

Regadring switching codepages.... is it possible to use the keyboard layout ID as language.exe is registering that? Then just find a table which keyboard corresponds with which codepage?

I just tested the First Time 1 and when the list of languages is long this is how it appears (attachment).
Misko
S2 licensed
Amazing, we just had a LAN event yesterday with 12 Logitech Vibration Feedback Wheels provided by a sponsor and 8 of us got this problem. Needless to say it was horrible, half a second pause every 5 seconds, and we didn't have a clue why it was happening, we never suspected it's the wheel drivers, those wheels were new to us. If we only knew about these solutions 24 hours ago. Next time I should be reading the forums more thorougly.
Misko
S2 licensed
Quote from Scawen :For Mikso, the problem is that you want to use two completely different code pages. You are right, switching the keyboard layout doesn't do anything - the only thing that affects LFS is the "ANSI Codepage" reported by language.exe. I think i could make LFS check the ANSI Codepage more often, but i'm not sure that would solve the problem for you. I guess it could solve the problem, if it's easy to change that value in Windows - but maybe that's not as easy to change on the fly, as the keyboard layout? An alternative would be to provide a drop down box, so you can manually select the code page. So LFS just does the auto select once at startup (as it does now) and you can change it any time after that - no need to type ^C every time when you have switched to Cyrillc mode.

No, it is not easy to change ANSI codepage, it requires a Windows restart. Maybe there's an easier way but I surely don't know about it.

Yes, drop down box would be nice (in the enter message box?) or at least some place in the options for switching codepages.
Misko
S2 licensed
Quote from Scawen :Hmm, maybe i need to make LFS check the currently active codepage more often (once each time you open a new message box - or do you need to change codepage within the same message?). I'll think about this and maybe we can try something tomorrow. I guess this is what detail is talking about. It's quite bad that you have to use the ^L and ^C keys - the whole idea is that LFS should be selecting the correct code page. It was supposed to work intuitively and no need to mess around with those keys.

Before this patch my Windows was set to 1252 codepage as language.exe said and I tried the patch first like that. Our characters didn't show when I typed with Serbian (Latin) or Cyrillic keyboard. When I changed to 1250 in Control Panel/Regional and Language Options/Language for non-Unicode programs (and language.exe confirmed that), central european latin characters then worked in LFS with correct keyboard, but switching to cyrillic keyboard did nothing but show weird characters. Not without typing in ^C first. So I guess switching the keyboard in Windows XP doesn't tell LFS anything?

Here's what language.exe says:
Language: English
OEM Codepage: 852
ANSI Codepage: 1250
Language ID: 0409
Locale: 00000409

That part stays the same and the lower part changes when I change the keyboard:

Serbian (Latin):
Keyboard Layout: 081a081a
Keyboard Layout Name: 0000081A
Serbian (Cyrillic):
Keyboard Layout: 0c1a0c1a
Keyboard Layout Name: 00000C1A
English (United States):
Keyboard Layout: 04090409
Keyboard Layout Name: 00000409


We don't need to mix serbian latin and cyrillic in one message, in fact that would be rather hm strange. What is useful, that I can think of, is typing in an english word here and there and that already works by just selecting a keyboard (this does not change the codepage but first half of every codepage is the same - english). Who knows, maybe it'd be useful to someone to mix codepages in one message sometimes?
Quote from Scawen : That's the easiest thing of all You can see the first line in the translation (tx_codepage)... well, that must be set to the correct code page. The available code page numbers are shown in the preview thread.

By the way, which translation are you doing, have you written to Victor about it? We have an online translation system and various translations are being developed at the moment.

Sweeet, just added tx_codepage 1250 at the beginning and all is well, thanks.

Didn't know about this translation system when we started but couple of us have already practicaly finished Serbian translation and help weeks ago. Just need to write it in proper characters now, and find a better solution for couple of terms. I'd better contact Victor anyway.
Misko
S2 licensed
Few little problems with "Balkan" letters: Capital ŠČĆ and Ž are not big enough, simply theres no room for the little "thingies" over them, so thats staying as it is I suppose. Small ć looks pretty similar to small č. That "thingie" on ć should be maybe looking more angled to the right somehow.

In Serbia we use both Latin or Cyrillic letters, and switching between them is quite difficult in LFS right now. We use different keyboards for those and in Windows its enough to do just that, switch keyboard (language) and other codepage is selected (I think). In LFS first I have to type ^C then switch to cyrillic keyboard then cyrillic letters are there. And now the same problem as detail said: to type next message I have to switch the keyboard back to latin to type the T as in cyrillic keyboard that key enters a different character (also a T but cyrillic T). We can always use latin so this is not a big problem for us though.

And now the language files. If I enter some of our letters in the strings they don't show up in the game, they show wrongly. They show correctly only if I enter ^E (for Central European) in every string there in language file. What kind of solution is there (will be) for this?

OK enough criticism, its only the small things, otherwise its absolutely great that we have this.
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Misko
S2 licensed
If you want to disable checking the private hosts and you can't do it in the game because of this problem, you can open the cfg.txt file and towards the end of it change the Search Flags to 4. Then launch LFS.
Misko
S2 licensed
Warm welcome here as always.
Misko
S2 licensed
Well it took whole day and whole night and then some with Getright, resumed correctly few times and all is fine.

Whoah... I have no words. Gee, amount of concentration required to just dicipher what the co-driver is reading is amazing, and then to drive like that for this long... I have to watch it again now that I'm slightly used to what each pacenote means... Trully breathtaking, scary and amazing what these guys manage to do!
Misko
S2 licensed
Really useful suggestion for the LOD changing with framerate.

I remember a relatively significant boost in FPS if I disabled overlays with Shift+F when I had a weaker machine. Even just bringing up messages history with H key made a noticable difference. So theres another thing to try.
Misko
S2 licensed
What is your sever called? I want to join.
Misko
S2 licensed
Just a few noobish questions... ALL you need to do to get your server watchable is apply for inSim Relay on LFSW and thats it? No other configuring?

Is it possible to then use other inSim app on the server? IIRC there could be only one that connects via inSim but with relay I'm not sure.

Does it work with Demo servers as well or only S2? That is if demo servers can apply for relay at all.

thanks
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