Okay here is my work, I hope you will like it

Don't get all the sponsor.

Quote from Speedy J :

Why didn't anybody explain to S.E.T.H. that driving in F-mode does NOT reduice the weight of the car to only four wheels, a driver and a steering wheel and therefore is NOT faster than the "normal" mode and will NOT give you faster times?

So this case is closed now I guess.

This

+ nice ad hominen attack against Sobis !

I think that everyone likes SETH, that's the reason this thread is still open. Internet is boring without fun

Anyway that's thread isn't funny anymore is SETH is now insulting everyone. Have a nice day girls

Didn't get time yet but I should have some tonight to stick the last sponsors

Any number you want?

Btw there are still few logos I didn't manage to identify, going to post some screen when I would have finished

Last edited by MoMo92i, Wed 15 Feb 2012, 17:27.

Do you enjoy being flame?

Quote from Chupacabras84 :

The only thing is I would expect FFB to drop significantly when front wheels trailing and in LFS its still the same.

Yeah that's true

Quote from Chupacabras84 :

Not true I use force view to get the idea about optimal wheel angle.
When I am in turn there is a moment where turning wheels more wont make you turn any better only worse.

Isn't custom view better for it?

Impressive!

Btw i tested you on something and you simply did it. Awesome i gave you the reason why your request was useless (from an engineer side) and what you listen was only the idiotic things I wrote.

Basically if you have an improvement suggestion this is not the correct section for it. Then no one care about F button in LFS.

Furthermore as I have already said in another (usefull) topic LFS is a game, modeling perfect physics require lot of time + money + awesome computer and you will never reach the goal because this is simply impossible.

Devs added this stuff because it enables you to understand in term of physics how a car is working (I feel it really interesting for any cars fanboy). No one use it to race or to set a car. I can tell you as a member of one of the most sucessful team in LFS. We use only drivers feeling (75%, irl it's about 50%) and datas recorded by the car during a run (tyres loads in pushrod, temps, suspension travel, slip angle, slip velocity,...). This gave you much more info than what F mode do so this mode is really useless, so this topic is aswell.

Now stop being stupid, half of the people here are joking about you and your damn complain. I have raced LFS since 2005, never used it, it took me 3 years to become fast and I have still lot of things to understand to be alien. So use cockpit view and race and race.

To finish, a small quote about senna's engineer : "datas analysis was useless because Ayrton was one"

Anyway keep going, this is really fun and you are now #1 for 2012 awards thread of the year and best oddball of lfsforum. This is not an ad hominen attack, just a fact, and facts aren't insult.

Last edited by MoMo92i, Wed 15 Feb 2012, 14:06.

C'mon I have never used F mode for setting the car. This is shit, something better are the datas you can extract with .raf files an analyze wit lfs lra.exe (lfs replay analyzers).

You are definitely noobs and deseperate. If 100 wr holder tell you he isn't using it maybe it is because this is nor usable. Think

Nominated for best thread of the year

Do you even know that track engineer uses forces sensor in practise season?

Btw I won MoE 24hrs in GT2 (MoE aswell which is the best league in LFS) without using it. And I'm track engineer in real life, so stop crying. Btw that mode do not show you exactly tyre load so that's useless for serious racing, but quite usefull to understand a car works.

Last edited by MoMo92i, Tue 14 Feb 2012, 19:56.

Well deserved you have really done a lot for LFS so it is something that is quite logical

Quote from col :

I suggest you do some more google research yourself.

Look up "brush tyre models" - that's what the current LFS tyre physics is a variation of - not Pacejka, which I understand is getting a bit long in the tooth.

Scawen discusses current LFS tyre approach here

Col

Was talking about generality. I know this model quite a lot because of my real life job where I use it. It is basically only an example (and tbh the model that almost everyone use in automotive industry including car industry (peugeot & Renault) and motorsport aswell) to show how tyres modeling is difficult. Working already a lot about making tyres works irl to pay any serious attention on how it is set in LFS (btw this model seems to be quite close to Pacejka anyway, which is quite normal as they are both about tyres).

About the damage, I have never felt a diff in aero but sometimes it get some really nasty effect when some aero/body parts touch the ground.

Any let's be honest LFS physics are not perfect but LFS are still using the best physics I have ever tried and btw we don't have any of those at home to have a dynamic simulation like LFS provide. I don't know how far we are from the max we can do on computer with LFS but LFS physics are really good and tbh close enough to the reality for some motorsport fan like me that don't have any real driving skills.

Last edited by MoMo92i, Tue 14 Feb 2012, 02:19.

Quote from KiRmelius :

It lacks new tyre physics.

btw a car behaviour is quite simple to simulate. It is basically a body with weight and inertia and 4 not suspended mass linked with the body of the car thanks to flexible links (wishbones geometry, suspension,...).

This isn't really hard to study (M*a=F and J*a=C) but the links with the ground (tyres) is really a hard thing. Many things should be taken in account as temps, pressure, flexibility,...a tyre is the hardest thing to modelise in a car (and basically the only one).

Actually no one have already find any perfect model of a tyre but the nearest we knows is atm Pacejka model (I would suggest a bigger google research about it). This is a really hard model to calculate, you need to make many tests to manage to calculate everything you need to have and then use that model.

In Formula one Pirelli give it to teams but I know that every teams re-calculate it (with each tyres, soft,super soft...)...

I have spoken with an engineer from ART GP, the well known GP2 serie top team (Hamilton, Hulkenberg, Rosberg, Grosjean,Di Resta,...they all raced for that team), and he explained me that they had to do many test, really expensive to determine how the tyre react to each suspension setup (load, camber, pressure, temp, ackermann,...).

Here is a video about it (between 0.50 and 0.58): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... HHT7y0&feature=relmfu

This one is better : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... NZIHM&feature=related

And to understand how a car works, this one is pretty good : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... fJIYA&feature=related

This test enable to see the tyre grip with different camber, slip angle,...

Now maybe you understand why modeling tyres perfectly for ScaViEr is that hard and take so much time

Last edited by MoMo92i, Mon 13 Feb 2012, 22:47.

Rony I'm afraid that Josh wants to have all quali replays. No one racing saved it?

Btw schedule are wrong , no ":" is needed between hours and minutes.

Pizza?

Quote from krkriv :

Look now Momo, fairplay is still our N1 priority. Also Fram is chasing everything what we do, what we write.(He's better than Sherlock damnit") Do we really need to take that fights again? As I said they're useless, because that game is no more FUN, as it meant to be! That's just unbelievable. All the things that we're doing here are childish, and I don't think that they suit to both teams, just be honest Now stop fighting like in the kindergarten and show everything that you have on track

Krasi I 100% agree with you, btw that's M. Riegler that started the kindergarden, I was just pointing it out with my post, a small sum up of my post :

protesting because we protested = kid story. This is neither spdo neither GenR philosophy, just pointing it, that's all. There was great fight on track, it was a good close race between #08 and #03 but unfortunately Joonas crashed #24 (I m sure it wasn't intentionally) and that's why we protested. Like a normal protest.

See you in SGTS, End of discussion.

Last edited by MoMo92i, Sun 12 Feb 2012, 16:35.

Quote from Feuerdrache :

I was with two wheels still on the racing surface, so that's fully legal. And I wouldn't have made the protest if your second team didn't do one.

By the way, Krisit you can be happy that you have only been given a warning after the admins clearly stated you should be less agressive.

I think mikko wouldn't go to the apron if you didn't block inside that hard. Anyway i think you finally won this fight for the lead so your argument is invalid.

Btw what a childish statement, you said that you protest that thing (where you gained the lead) because spdo #2 car protested your team mate because he wrecked him and cost them 20s on a race restart. I don't think this is what genuine racing is. This is not something that the most sportsmanslike team do, gonna have a talk with Fram about that and I am sure he will share my statement. You could protest something because you lost time, position...but protesting for the god sake of protesting and because someone protested you is not fair play. And btw when GenR was created (E-Team was one of the founder team) fair play was (and is still) the number 1 priority.

Awesome guys!

omg so many SC ^^

Quote from e2mustang :

why dont we all tbo-ers get together for some oldschool action?

When, where btw : http://www.lfsforum.net/forumdisplay.php?f=355

and

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=78193

as far as the don't use the engine

Now I lawled Joni ^^

I think I've just understood when I looked your sign. In fact spdo DB was affected by a big change on spdo website (follow that link : http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?p=1667714#post1667714)

After that Josh managed to restore spdo website but as I told you it has now no "ö" available so that why it created a kind of second account.

About it is not updated this is because I think that Josh need to confirm results after checking everything is alright in the league/event. So basically that will be updated when Josh would confirm it. Note that here I am only doing supposition, I'm not 100% sure about this.

Anyway this is an automatic system so I think we can do nothing (maybe Josh but as you have seen he is overbooked atm) for this ''twin" account.

spdo website only show atm basics letters. No ¨, no ^, no é,...Josh have already explained why a bit earlier in this thread.

What do you mean about you userbar? It do not update after a race?