Quote from s14 drift :

turning into a ****ing 4chan, i tell you.

Girugamesh!

Quiet Riot - Cum On Feel The Noize

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20 ... ue-shelter-r-a56114e.html

:doh::bananadea

UNKLE - Heaven

Underworld - M.E.

The Chemical Brothers - Swiper

epic bassline

Orbital - Beelzebeat

so awesome I've basically been listening to it all day

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

Funny how her name has never been mentioned on this side of the pond.

that's not a bad thing

The one thing that drives me up the wall is the amount of people in the media, or just people I know who were all too keen to slag her off when the whole celebrity big brother thing blew up, but now say that we have to treat her as some sort of saint who has never done any wrong - the hypocrisy is incredible

Me? I've never been able to stand the bint

sad she died, I wouldn't wish cancer upon anyone and having had two of my friends lose parents to cancer at a young age it's not pleasant. I totally, absolutely 100% disagreed with the way she and her publicist conducted the whole thing though, if I was in her shoes instead of stringing it out for as long as possible I would have wanted to spend as much time as I could in private with my kids, not paraded in front of the media circus. I guess this kind of funeral was to be expected though, otherwise the people who rely solely upon Heat magazine and the Sun for their daily news and views would be a bit upset

The Chemical Brothers - Snooprah

gorgeous reworking of 'Harpoons' off the We Are The Night album

ITT: Older people shatter younger people's dreams

Quote from Stefani24 :

There are worse songs, belive me.

there are many worse songs, but that is right up there in the most annoyingly bad songs of all time, I thought the ginner's music taste was better than that

vaguely, in that I've never heard of that before

Quote from Jon606 :

O-Zone - Dragostea Din Tei

please, find a quiet spot out back and shoot yourself

Orbital - Chime

classic, genre-defining work

think this is warranted here

Squarepusher - Song: Our Underwater Torch

Quote from theirishnoob :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rTrB7uWkW4

nice

found this one of some stuff from Oxford

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwUbqmCOAHo

Quote from samforey12345 :

Both of the above have missed the point. Mookie, did you read SamH's post? And his most recent ones? Jeez!

Heated much?!

I haven't bothered reading his recent ones, I'm so appalled at the sweeping generalisations he made earlier in this thread that his posts on this subject aren't worth reading any more. He has a differing opinion, yes, but I am free to counter that with my own arguments. That generalisation he made in a previous post shocked me, although knowing the sort of stuff I do to entertain me I should be used to the sweeping generalisations levelled at both me and the communities I hang around with.

Do I take this too seriously? Probably. What I don't like seeing though is someone with what seems to be a good knowledge of the finer side of art, sculptures and that lot, coming in and spouting what is an absolute load of crap and expecting to get away with it without someone countering his argument.

Oh wait he can, he's a mod. Lets all obey our mod overlords. Infraction me, I don't care

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

obviously, you know best. The utter ignorance is really what gets me.

agreed...obviously SamH knows best because he's had time to grow up around 'fine art'...comparing 'fine art' to graffiti is like comparing chalk and cheese. The two are completely different artforms and as such should never be used in a comparison. Frankly, I don't give a toss if SamH spent his life around highly skilled, professional sculptors/artists. What I dislike is the absolutely sweeping generalisations he put in that post on the previous page. What SamH is failing to see is that most, if not all, of the really very artistic and stylish pieces painted, the ones that take the longest amount of time to do, are either in places where it has been legalised (I remember the middle school I went to backed onto a skatepark, and nearly every week there'd be something different painted there) or are comissioned by the council. Take for example that blue building I posted pics of on page 1. That whole building used to be covered in an amazing mural (its now covered with loads of hand prints) and the a section of the whole road has been comissioned for graffiti art, and it looks brilliant

Quote :

Is this not art?

Is this not art?

What about this?

However, this is NOT art.

all I get are 503 errors lol

Quote :

You can quite clearly see my point. Taking your oh so beloved scultures, I find they simply block the way.. I can't walk straight across the courtyard to get to the bank, I have to take a 3 meter diversion around this immovable object, and this can really put me off schedule for the rest of the day. But do I term these fine pieces of masonry as degenerate and the like? No.

Why? Because it's art and while it may not appeal to me, there are other people that it surely does. Graffiti appeals to me (and a whole lot of other people) as being very artistic and incredibly detailed. While some of you (and it's generally older people because they are all goody goody conformity) may not like it, never forget that some people do indeed find it interesting. Just because it's deemed illegal, does not automatically mean it's not art, and just because you don't like it, that doesn't mean you can slate it with nothing but stereotypes.

If you want your 200 year old town to look like that, then go ahead. If you want old buildings collecting nothing but mould, and walls being just that, then be that way. Frankly, I'd rather see something interesting while walking to work.

I'm done.

agreed more than 100%. Well said.

edit - to add, I find most of what the 'modern artists' produce nowadays to be absolute tosh. People like Damien Hirst, Anthony Gormley, Tracy Emin that sort of stuff, that is not proper art. It's weird for the sake of weird. Some people like that, and some people like graffiti. I don't spout not only misguided, but offensive stereotypes about the kinds of people who create a messy bed and call it art? I have a messy bed in my room but I don't stick it in an art gallery?

Last edited by mookie427, Wed 1 Apr 2009, 17:49.

well, nothing has happened yet

Quote from SamH :

What is there to know? I live in the same society as the "taggers"/"writers". I see the same walls they spread their crap on. Which subject am I ignorant of? I went to art college, my dad was an art gallery director (we tour Europe together every year, seeking out architectural and fine art), some of my earliest memories are of me being bored shitless, sitting in Henry Moore's studio while he and my dad yapped. I consider myself thoroughly baptised in what is, and is not, art.

what there is to know here is that I'm not talking about the 'taggers'. I dislike the tags/throw-ups as much as you - they make a place look a mess. What I am talking about, and what you seem incapable of grasping, is the skill required to create those intricate, inter-woven/deformed lettering styles used by many artists. It's not just something everybody can do, it takes a hell of a lot of practise believe me.

there's also a rumour going around that everybody's computers will get a catastrophic virus tomorrow wiping every harddrive in existence

seem to be a lot of technology ones at the moment, probably preying on gullible people using teh interwebs

Quote from SamH :

Graffiti is cancer. One day it's nowhere to be seen. The next, the place is riddled with it and you know once that happens, everybody immediately sees that the whole place is condemned to death. Cancer is a perfect synonym for graffiti.

I think you'll find a little thing called the 'broken window' theory comes into play here - people see a broken window and think 'oh this place mustn't be well looked after, I ight as well dump my waste/graffiti/whatever here as a) I'm not likely to be caught and b) it'll be a long time until it is cleaned up', and as more people notice the degeneration more stuff gets dumped, graffitied or whatever. I'm not a huge fan of the 'tagging' side of things, the throw-ups, stuff like that. What I do like, whether it is in a legal place or not, are properly artistic forms of lettering, or people. As long as it is done skillfully - I'm not talking about 16 year old 'artists' with marker pens here - it really does brighten up otherwise dull streets and some of the skill involved in the painting of some of the pieces I've seen is astonishing

Quote :

I's not art, it's not revolution, it's just degenerate, drug-fuelled, selfish and repugnant shit. As Laurx describes above, in fact. What a "scene" :rolleyes:

my god if I could invent a device to punch people in the face over the internet, I would use it right now. Although I actually agree it has gone a long way off the 'revolution' side of things, what you have posted there is absolute first class A-Grade BOLLOCKS. Full of the sweeping generalisations I am all too familiar with and have grown up around (banger racers = pikies, graffiti artists= drug fuelled....) and it shows either how naive, or misguided, you are. Please come back when you have a better understanding of the subject

Quote from UncleBenny :

"I like LFS better than iRacing"

cheers