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NightShift
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Quote from UnknownMaster21 :and yes... didn´t remembered that there is option too

Though the main reason I voted "no" is that I feel removing waterproof separation between different licenses is healthy for the community.
NightShift
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Quote from Glenn67 :Tyre Physics - http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=17232
Objective tyre model / physics discussion thread.. - http://www.lfsforum.net/showth ... t=4761&highlight=grip

OMG so much to read TY and I thought I'd seen almost all of those threads already. Someone should really maintain a "good topics" sticky list.
NightShift
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Voted no.

You can use LFSworld to filter out servers.
NightShift
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Quote from serpa :2.) why does my engine stop automatically when I don't touch any controls for like 30 seconds or more... (it's not the point).

I seem to recall someone speculated it is some kind of safety system intended to prevent fires. Since those are yet to be implemented in LFS, it'd be quite useless
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Quote from Blakey. :and i just can't get used to the overly bassy cockpit sound, is there any way i can turn the bass down slightly without skewing my normal EQ settings? it just vibrates me ears a lot -- perhaps ill get used to this, who knows.

When that happens to me, it means I've turned volume too far up.

You can check this easily by switching to outside view (press V until you get that) or changing car to a single seater, the sheer power of the noise should blow you ears away
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NightShift
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Who said that?

This thread is specifically about simulating automatic transmissions (=new feature), I can think of no valid reason for removing the auto option.
let your feelings slip but never your mask boy
NightShift
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Quote from Liff :I think I acknowledged that there are things to work on with the transmission model in my first reply about the subject a couple of pages ago.

Man you are just so slippery! It's completely out of my reach to have you face a point without going on all kinds of panoramic detours

Quote from Liff :What I disagreed with, and continue to disagree, is the severity/importance of the weakness.

Despite the problem with my body appendages that I mentioned earlier, what I find revealing is this bit:

Quote from Liff :either using or not using the auto-clutch results in more or less the same behavior if you're not clutching manually,

That spells "G-A-M-E" in big brightly colored letters! not sim.

Quote from Liff :I meant the official iRacing forums.

Do you really expect me to read those?

Quote from Liff :I'd say that the percentage of the more serious racers is much higher there than in most other sims

I'm sure it is, asking ten more times the prices that all the others are asking, is a surefire way to have all and only serious racers

Quote from Liff :I think current force feedback technology gives a very good presentation of the real life feel of steering.

Drive boy dog boy dirty numb angel boy in the doorway boy she got a lipstick boy!
NightShift
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Looks interesting to me
NightShift
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Quote from DaniAv :I want try linux UBUNTU, my question is "the simulator will work good on linux"?

I have used LFS on Debian Lenny/AMD64, it worked quite fine and the frame rate was close to native, the card (nVidia 6150SE, nothing fancy) has decent accelerated drivers. Gamepad worked fine, had no wheel at the time, so I can't comment on that.

Quote from XCNuse :Technically it would work if you use an emulation software, which can be nice sometimes to get cross platform usage, but emulators are bad at one thing.. performance.

Wine Is Not an Emulator emulators are used for entirely different architectures (e.g. Amiga on PC). What Wine does is simply "translate" the calls to Windows' API to native calls.

Lots of games work, and the whole thing is quite zippy, to the point certain system benchmarks under Wine were faster than Windows XP.
NightShift
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Nice I would only have made one change, the engine volume needs to be more subdued relative to your voice, especially with the BF1 which sounds plain fake.
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Quote from tristancliffe :But isn't that lack of training/teaching? Cadence braking from 70mph on a wet road NEEDS to be part of the driving test. As does 'drifting' and understeer on a skidpad.

Though Vain has already offered a good reply about this, let me clarify my position a bit:

I'm all for better standards of driver education, it's just I can't really see it happen IRL. Investing in people is one of the most expensive things to do: even the best ones learn relatively slowly and tend to forget if they are not kept 'up-to-date'.

Today, there are all kinds of people out there who mantain outdated knowledge about vehicles and swear by it even if it's now completely wrong and even dangerous. While new drivers forget about basic traffic rules the moment they step out of the door with their license in their pocket.

Electronic systems are easy (to a degree) and cheap way to get round this problem. They're clearly not absolute perfection but they're closer to it than any human and much more dependable.

In a world with so many cars and so much hurry, I feel safety is the most important thing to focus on - even if it means that those who are passionate about cars and want to have fun with them, will have to make some sacrifice.
NightShift
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Quote from ajp71 :Yes Schumacher has crashed cars with lots of electronics on them, on a race track...

Actually I was meaning road cars but it got stuck in the keyboard.
I can't remember which one exactly, it was a sort of supercar which he kept in a scrapped state in his garage for some years before giving it away.

Quote from ajp71 :I know somebody who had the ABS decide he didn't want to brake on his (...)

So by your line of reasoning you don't want anything in your car that has a chance -no matter how slim- to fail.

Basically you don't want a car, maybe a plane instead, where every system is duplicated to further reduce chance of failure (but be warned that doesn't push it to zero)

And, if you think I'm buying the tale about your mate as a serious benefit vs risk estimate, then you are putting yourself about on the same level of those who brag about their 1.1i shopping cart doing 200 kph (downhill).

Quote from ajp71 :Drivers should be training on the job all year round, by driving, if their cars are sufficiently disconnected that they don't actually have to drive them then they will be incapable of driving them when their computer fails them.

I guess you lost the bit about 'driving on the limit'. Well driving everyday doesn't by itself prove that you can handle whatever life throws in front of you when you're behind the wheel.

And, most road cars I've seen have on board diagnostics to detect ABS failures and disengage the system when needed.
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NightShift
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Quote from frokki :Inspired by this thread I tried to race with a full grid of AI and it really was as horrible as described. Don't try that at home folks, stay online instead!

Basically AIs lack the concept of overlap and they stick to their racing line like their life depended on it.

IMO the trick to beating them is passing them in corners, they will even stomp on the brakes if they think they're going to pick up daisies (e.g. if you pass them on the inside and leave too little space for their taste)

I'd recommend using tin tops and slower cars until you feel confident about anticipating them.

Racing against the AIs is very useful as a learning tool: it promotes flexibility and awareness. It's a definite from me

PS: Frokki this is not addressed to you specifically, I just picked up your quote as a starting point.
NightShift
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Quote from Glenn67 :I'd think going forward we would see more and more tear level racing servers and on those severs it would be ideal to implement, you are right though on public servers such a system traditionaly wouldn't work.

I think you would need specific support implemented in InSim to make this happen?
NightShift
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Quote from Bob Smith :Why's that? Just because there is less friction, a skilled driver would suddenly become unable to modulate the force their foot exerts on the brake pedal?

Come on, that was a paradox

But since you ask... Forget that skilled driver. Take the average driver who hasn't ever heard about cadence braking. He stomps on the brakes and goes straight. Bye-bye.

Seatbelts are the same story: there are people swearing you can die because of them (e.g. fall in a lake). Compare the number of geniuses who smashed their skulls on the windshield or tarmac, vs those who died in a lake. Risk vs Benefit as I said.

I'm glad most people won't even dream to pull out the ABS fuse only because they think they can drive - There's no Shift-P when you drive a real car.
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NightShift
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Quote from wheel4hummer :Not quite. They are good in certain situations, and worsen other situations.

Did I say better? I said more reliable than Joe Driver.
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Quote from Matrixi :For one, I really miss the wheel track setting, which isn't even something difficult to adjust in real life with spacers.

Why? Everybody would choose the max value.

Quote from Matrixi :I think iRacing has this issue nailed down pretty well. The Solstice has two versions, locked setup for rookie racing and a (realistically) limited setup version.

And who exactly would drive the rookie?

In iRacing you are by all means forced to drive the Rookie for a while, in LFS anyone can drive whatever he/she feels like to (=Advanced), if not for any other reason than habit.
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NightShift
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What I don't understand is why we don't have a topic or sticky with all of the reported/fixed/open bugs in Z5.
NightShift
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Quote from ajp71 :if the car simply handles the situation for the driver then chances are he'll barely notice it and continue to drive at the same (probably law abiding but far too fast) speed next time when the computer won't save him.

Stability control programs are made exactly to face situations like you mention, though not perfect they are still more reliable than Mr Joe Driver.

Quote from ajp71 :If your scared it is already to late, you should be far too busy dealing with whatever the problem is to actually be in anyway afraid or thinking of what will happen if you don't sort it out. If fear and panic should come after the danger has passed.

Yeah I guess most drivers react according to their instinct and that proves exactly my point that the car should be as intuitive to drive as possible. FWD wins as it is more intuitive for the majority.

Quote from ajp71 :None of the aids fitted to modern cars really help in an emergency though, they're largely anti-idiot devices to stop the driver causing an accident when he tries to drive beyond his ability.

I wouldn't call those anti-idiot, even Schumacher has crashed cars, so I guess for you he's an idiot too.

Quote from ajp71 :Conventional ABS does nothing a well trained foot can't do,

But it will always do its dirty job every time, no strings, no questions asked. It can't be tired, pissed off or lazy. Can you say the same of all the right feet out there?

Quote from ajp71 :if drivers were required to take their tests in cars without ABS then they would be much safer in cars without it.

If all drivers were required to train for a number of weeks every year in driving to the limit all the vehicles they have to use, then you might have had a point.

Quote from ajp71 :Not to mention the fact that ABS is potentially lethal in winter conditions.

And not having ABS is potentially lethal whenever it rains

So unless we all live in places where it snows everyday and rains never, ABS has clearly the better benefit vs risk profile.
NightShift
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Quote from wheel4hummer :Your car must be an extension of your own body.

The vast majority of drivers are not out there driving because they want to feel the car/truck/whatever. They want to go from point A to point B, usually because they have to.

It's a very different thing to take up the car once in a while to have some fun rather than to waste hours in the middle of traffic while commuting or driving a car around because that's part of your job.

In that situation the last thing on your mind is to feel the car. All you want want is to arrive to your destination ASAP.

Relying on your feeling alone isn't foolproof anyway - you can't possibly always be at 100% of your potential, as soon as you're forced to drive when tired or pissed off blam! here you'll end up with an expensive and/or dangerous mistake.

Quote from wheel4hummer :Now, if there were an ABS system that worked smoothly, and kept the tires right at optimum slip, then it would feel really natural.

I'm all for better assistance
NightShift
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Quote from BlakjeKaas :* Is this patch called 0.6A?

That's the version on the latest viewer.
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Quote from Intrepid :China and co are gonna be more than capable of sorting themselves out. saying they're not developed enough is almost offensive.

The problem is, if they will sort out other (our) countries too in the meanwhile

No offense meant, as of now, we cannot expect internal demand from those countries to pull the rest of the world along.

If you ask me, the problem is not the long run vs short term (those are just ways to look at things), but rather the idea that some seem to have, they can get along with doing whatever they fancy, without worrying about the consequences.
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Quote from Gunn :Perhaps, but they'll still need to worry about being competitive.

Given enough drivers in a community there's always someone who's as fast (slow ) as you. The only problem is to find those people online at the time and on the server you are on.

The easier LFS looks, the most drivers you'll draw in. The only fault in my theory is that the VWS won't be available for demo drivers
NightShift
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Quote from ajp71 :all too often you hear of new drivers who crash the first time they encounter oversteer (usually on ice),

All I hear is about people crashing because they were going too fast. Those who spin on ice, were going too fast, it's as easy as that

Quote from ajp71 :those who were used to driving unassisted rear wheel drive cars on poor quality roads just did automatically.

Since the FF layout already took a foothold in the 70s, I assume we're talking about 50+ years ago. At the time, there were far less cars, they were technically inferior most of the times, and the roads sucked.

And FR was popular with road cars because it was easy to build not for some inherent technical superiority (race cars are another matter)

Quote from ajp71 :if the initial reaction is panic

Every sensible person will be scared when something bad and unexpected happens, it's programmed in our brain, and even race car drivers will, especially if they have their family onboard.

Some people are more cold blooded than others, but you won't know which type you are unless you find yourself in real trouble.

Since cold blood and technique aren't a solution, all you can do is try and stay out of trouble, but you can't trust people to do that, so I'm all for easy, safe FWD cars with loads of electronic stuff which assists the driver when $hit happens.

Why take the chance of a mistake you can't repair?
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