I would rather give 20£ to the EU to dismantle the content industry, and make all that 'precious' copyrighted content available for public use at no cost for the taxpayers.

I had no troubles running LFS with Wine, if you use a native unpacker, decompress the whole bundle to:


or


if you run the self-extracting .exe package using Wine.

Then type the following:

So we know Scawen has been working on the 'mechanical side' of LFS and the suspensions of the Scirocco, but he also talked about other improvements which are planned for inclusion in the next few patches.

What will those be?

Cast your votes

Quote from Woz :

Well as Wine etc exist then why not use them to run LFS. Ah hold on they are not 100% compatible with Windows so not all software works on them.

LFS definitely works under Wine, I actually raced online with it several times no prob but you do not have to take my words: there are countless threads on LFSforum about that.

The Mac guys have a Wine port, I have no idea how good it works ATM, but it can definitely be an option.

Quote from Woz :

The reasons Windows is popular is that it is where all the software is.

That's what Microsoft wants the little guys to believe. While of course Windows has a massive software base, there are also very fine applications that simply do not work under Windows.

E.g. CinePaint currently does not support Windows and has been used on all the following movies.

Scooby-Doo, Elf, Looney Tunes, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Duplex, The Last Samurai, Showtime, Blue Crush, 2 Fast 2 Furious, Harry Potter, Cats & Dogs, Dr. Dolittle 2, Little Nicky, The Grinch, Sixth Day, Stuart Little, Planet of the Apes, Stuart Little 2, and Spider-Man.

Not underground B-movie stuff as you see...

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Aston has some bumps.. you just haev to notice them.

Westhill too. And while I can't subscribe to the glass-smooth myth, but tracks in iRacing are certainly more detailed.

I drive quite frequently an old car without hydraulic servo on the clutch, there's no feedback from the pedal regarding the bite point. It has that so called 'clutchy feeling' which e.g. the G25 clutch does not have, but the feedback comes through the driver's... back end Thus I don't really think a FFB clutch pedal would make any difference, a motion simulator might, though.

The clutch in LFS is far from perfect, it might not be one of the biggest troubles in the game but it should be improved sooner or later IMO.

That certainly shouldn't induce the OP not to try LFS, it's still supposed to have one of the better clutch simulations out there.

Hardly essentials but I use these all the time:

JKDefrag, best and fastest defragmenter available.
File Commander, orthodox file manager, blinding fast, GUI equivalents just suck, been using it since 1995.
CrystalCPUID, handles CnQ on my overclocked uP.
Speedfan, de facto standard for hardware monitoring (i.e. all the rest suck more than this one)
Foobar, music player, everything else feels bloated and usability-impaired.
Irfanview, great viewer with batch support but also does basic processing tasks.
Google Chrome, use it instead of Firefox for all the JS heavy sites (including Gmail), until 3.1 is out.
ClamWin, offline virus scanner, use it once weekly just in case.
PuTTY, great telnet/ssh client.
UltraVNC, fast, full-featured VNC client (remote desktop)

Extensions for Firefox would need a thread of their own.

LFS related, LFS Replay Analyzer by wsinda and VHPA by Bob Smith.

MS has decided already how things should be organized, failing to comply with that model only means an ever increasing number of lost potential customers who couldn't figure the problem out, and couldn't be bothered to ask for help.

And Scavier should really make one step further and start packaging LFS with a proper installer, this is the norm for user-friendly software in the Windows world, and one doesn't have to be a computer expert to enjoy LFS.

The traditional 7z bundle could still be made available option for those who like it better.

Quote from tristancliffe :

But I think a better track surface would highlight how good LFS's FFB actually is.

Yep LFS would definitely benefit from that. And something else which also helps enjoying FFB in LFS is...

Quote from Mattesa :

The steering is too light on all the cars in LFS, and it feels less really dull that way.

...a low FFB strength setting. I've driven my first few months around 50% and then went down to about 30% because it feels so much more nuanced to me.

Quote from sinbad :

In fact Scawen has expressly said there will be nothing extra, no surprises.

That was before the postponement IIRC

Quote from kill_em_all :

Can you add smth else?

Most of the points you listed are just plain realism improvements that have been planned for some time already, and that iRacing hasn't really 'invented' per se.

So it wouldn't be correct to say LFS has borrowed them from iRacing.

E.g. if LFS added shadows to the car interiors, you would have a hard time proving that iRacing has 'invented shadows' and LFS borrowed from them. OTOH if LFS would introduced a league/pickup racing hybrid then you would be right to say iRacing had inspired LFS.

Quote from DragonCommando :

The only reason people need to have thier hands held when they use thier own computer is because they lack the sense to think "If I delete this it might kill my OS".

Limited privileges make it harder for malicious software to cause serious trouble. There's no other reason for all of the security improvements in Vista vs XP

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

I use the stick because when I have the wheel rotated more than about 80degrees, I forget what side each paddle is on an press the wrong button and shift into the wrong gear.

LOL that happens to me all the time even in road cars when I use the paddles for flash/horn

Quote from Becky Rose :

I think you need to step back from your idealism far enough to realise that race cars are not a fixed and static design

Never thought they would be, though it's quite obvious you can't switch sides that easily IRL even if the car is designed to allow both versions to be manufactured (and some cars are only designed for RHD anyway).

I guess that's one of the reasons many race and trackday car designs opt for a central seating position, but that's not the case with about half of the cars in LFS.

That said, the bit about RHD vs LHD is not particularly important ATM, what I'm thinking about is a system of payoffs which will make natural for players to choose the most realistic attitude given a certain situation.

E.g. Improved simulation of suspension damage would constitute a payoff system which greatly rewards drivers who choose not to cut curbs on Fern Bay curbs at 150+ kph.

You would call that idealism?

Quote from Bean0 :

I reckon VW wouldn't want it released either...the difference being that they probably have a say in it.

Based on what Scawen posted in the past, and considering all VW wanted was to have the Scirocco ready for Leipzig, I think it's safe to assume they don't care at all

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Quote from Byakugan :

Nightshift, stop trolling.

Said the new LFSforum moderator and former NFS troll illepall

I'm sure you'd be a perfect one in the breaks between attempts to rice the XRG up into one of the fetish drift cars you cream your pants on. In the meanwhile, you will enjoy the rare privilege of making into my plonk list.

And then some drifters wonder why the category got this bad image, go figure

Last edited by NightShift, Mon 26 Jan 2009, 19:24. Reason : Couldn't find the smiley I was looking for

Quote from Becky Rose :

In LFS for instance it is faster to set the drivers side to the inside.

Or maybe just switch to chase view, use button clutch instead of a pedal, rely on paddles, 240 degrees lock, whatever, just for the sake of speed.

Who cares if it's realistic or not? It's not like LFS is a simulator striving to achieve the best possible realism...

And eventually somebody end up using cheats in league racing. If time is all we should care why don't go back to playing some arcade game, that would be less pretentious

Not meaning to bash you Becky, that bit of a quote is sort of a final point in a discussion which is drifting away, and I'm using it to make a more general statement.

Quote from Byakugan :

[You're not even making a good point, so why don't you stop whining?

Said the whiner in a last failed attempt to mislead casual readers.

Quote from Byakugan :

Stop crying, son. I'm not demanding anything,

Your command of english seems pretty good, you are supposed to know the difference between 'I would like' and 'I want'. You are demanding something and in a rather rude way too... unless you want to take that back?

Quote from Byakugan :

your arguments are broad and childish

Is that supposed to be irony?

First you say you want a better drift car, and the XRG is worthless. You are then reminded there are better cars, you say, it's not worth the money. Eventually you turn to perfectly happy with the content in demo.

And now to end up in style, you add:

Quote from Byakugan :

I've bought pro street in the (vain) hope the physics werent THAT arcade

For one that values money as much as you, that must have been a hard blow I may be gullible but not to the point of buying NFS

Quote from Byakugan :

You are just insulting

Now if I ever called you gullible or mindless, you might have had a point:

Quote from Byakugan :

you are just gullible,

Quote from Byakugan :

troublesome mindless preachers like you.

Call me names if that makes you feel better... you've already shown your true colors

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Fact. (It's not designed to make you stop faster)

The fact is ABS stops faster than most drivers on most surface types. A number of indipendent tests have been made over the years and the outcome is always the same.

ABS truly is 'electronic cadence braking', better performance hardly is a side effect or by-product. ABS was marketed in another way, true, but that's marketing, i.e. bullshit someone has to say to sell things better.

And mind you S14, I was not blaming you for missing the BS in the post above yours - actually I thought you were being ironic, this stuff has been going on for so long we're all sick of it.

My post was actually trying to make a broader statement about the ever-going 'ABS yes or no' argument.

Quote from bbman :

And as Scawen hinted in the postpone-announcement, there is maybe a multilink-suspension in the works that has to be analysed and coded first...

What he said was 'developing suspensions', which for all we know, may also mean he was planning to do progressive springs or more realistic dampers

OTOH maybe he was just meaning the roll center had to be fixed or other boring details like that

PS: another interesting bit from The Man himself about suspensions

"At some point I'd like to add better suspension types with more complex motion but that has not been done yet."

Quote from Byakugan :

You see, this 'demo race bashing' mindset is what is making the LFS community subpar, at best.

LOL you are a subpar customer at best. Can't be bothered to buy the game, yet you play the demo for free, to the point you even spend time making mods for it.

Then you come here and tell "I want this" like a spoiled kid who thinks the devs are like his parents? Have you fallen out of your bed this morning?

No amount of whining is going to change the content in the demo. You want more? Then you buy the game, that's LFS business model, just in case you haven't got it until now.

The game is not good enough for your Royal Standards? Fine, move on and go buy something that fits you.

Nobody is forcing you to stay in this subpar community wasting time with this subpar game

Quote from Byakugan :

I suggest to astain posting meaningless content such as the post above
in the future, its dull, repetitive, inane, toughtless and boring.

That would be very wise of you, indeed

Quote from Byakugan :

' i want a sport sedan \ coupe

Yes and I want a pony too.

Quote from Byakugan :

would suit anything from serious racing
to hardcore drifting to amateur GTRing, say 300-500+ hp.'

Lemme check:

1. RWD ... Ok!
2. Japanese look ... Ok!
3. 500 bhp or less (with intake restriction) ... Ok!
4. GTR ... Ok!
5. Drifts ... Guess so.

Here's your car: http://www.lfs.net/?page=contents&car=xr_gtr

It can be yours for 24£.

Quote from Byakugan :

why they didnt remove the XRG instead since its pretty useless and almost nobody used it.

Because the XRG is a perfect opponent for the XFG and LFS is, like, a racing simulator?

If one still wants the XRT so bad, the S1 license is only 12£ anyway.

Quote from Ian.H :

Nope.. the Hard Drivin' arcade machine

I hated that game, for some reason the suspensions always felt exceedingly soft to me, like a 2CV

Quote from zeugnimod :

What I meant with 'The worst has already happened' is Scawen had already had to admit defeat (and postpone release), thus predictably generating a lot of disappointment in the community.

The damage was done, but this has bought Scawen time to do more things that weren't originally planned for the 0.6A - the announcement goes on about ensuring proper quality and fixing bugs, but it's also implying there will be things in 0.6A that were likely planned for later patches.

Examples of this are may be: the ESP (the 'electronic side', which I suppose wasn't meant to be in 0.6A), and the 'mechanical side' which goes hand in hand with 'We plan to (...) continue developing the Scirocco suspension'.

One could go as far as to speculate that last sentence means he was planning to change the rear from double wishbone to multilink (probably just wishful thinking )

I hope you're being ironic S14. If locking wheels was the fastest way to stop on asphalt, then all the fuss about cadence braking what would be? elitism?

Bullshit:

Quote from janipewter :

On a dry asphalt road you'll stop faster with locked wheels.

Scientific reply to bullshit:

Quote :

Track test data clearly shows that for most manoeuvres stopping distance are smaller in ABS-fitted than non-ABS fitted vehicles, particularly on wet or icy surfaces. Exceptions are on dry bitumen, where braking performance at higher speed (>35-50 km/h) with ABS is greater than locked wheel braking.(*)

Get over it, most of us will never be better than ABS and no amount of ABS bashing will change this. If you think you are the mythological skilled driver, go to a track and see for yourself - if you do not have the money for a trackday, that's not a good excuse to wrap yourself around a tree on a public road - you know innocent bystanders have the nasty habit to be around when shit happens.

Every sunday I could just open the newspaper and then post here the names of some kids who thought to be the new Schumachers. But really the only way they could get a headline with their driving is hugging that tree in their dad's car.

Quote from janipewter :

as I found out the hard way when I may have taken a corner too fast on a country lane

ESP won't do naff if you go into corners too fast. The lesson to be learnt here is: drive slower, you never know what's behind the corner on a public road.

(*) excerpt from http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc ... ystem%20effectiveness.pdf