Quote from Ian.H :

Nope.. the Hard Drivin' arcade machine

I hated that game, for some reason the suspensions always felt exceedingly soft to me, like a 2CV

Quote from zeugnimod :

What I meant with 'The worst has already happened' is Scawen had already had to admit defeat (and postpone release), thus predictably generating a lot of disappointment in the community.

The damage was done, but this has bought Scawen time to do more things that weren't originally planned for the 0.6A - the announcement goes on about ensuring proper quality and fixing bugs, but it's also implying there will be things in 0.6A that were likely planned for later patches.

Examples of this are may be: the ESP (the 'electronic side', which I suppose wasn't meant to be in 0.6A), and the 'mechanical side' which goes hand in hand with 'We plan to (...) continue developing the Scirocco suspension'.

One could go as far as to speculate that last sentence means he was planning to change the rear from double wishbone to multilink (probably just wishful thinking )

I hope you're being ironic S14. If locking wheels was the fastest way to stop on asphalt, then all the fuss about cadence braking what would be? elitism?

Bullshit:

Quote from janipewter :

On a dry asphalt road you'll stop faster with locked wheels.

Scientific reply to bullshit:

Quote :

Track test data clearly shows that for most manoeuvres stopping distance are smaller in ABS-fitted than non-ABS fitted vehicles, particularly on wet or icy surfaces. Exceptions are on dry bitumen, where braking performance at higher speed (>35-50 km/h) with ABS is greater than locked wheel braking.(*)

Get over it, most of us will never be better than ABS and no amount of ABS bashing will change this. If you think you are the mythological skilled driver, go to a track and see for yourself - if you do not have the money for a trackday, that's not a good excuse to wrap yourself around a tree on a public road - you know innocent bystanders have the nasty habit to be around when shit happens.

Every sunday I could just open the newspaper and then post here the names of some kids who thought to be the new Schumachers. But really the only way they could get a headline with their driving is hugging that tree in their dad's car.

Quote from janipewter :

as I found out the hard way when I may have taken a corner too fast on a country lane

ESP won't do naff if you go into corners too fast. The lesson to be learnt here is: drive slower, you never know what's behind the corner on a public road.

(*) excerpt from http://www.monash.edu.au/muarc ... ystem%20effectiveness.pdf

AFAICT, using the torque (->power) curve of the engine and the gear ratios, it compares the power the engine is currently producing with the power it would produce after a shift up.

Someone calls that the magic shift light

Quote from shiny_red_cobra :

so why not release it now, and make updates to it later, like they've done to the XFG for example. I just wanna drive the damn thing already!

IMO the VWS is already sorted out but Scawen after having postponed 0.6A looked at himself in a mirror and thought, Ok worst has already happened, so now I'm going on as if I had already released 0.6A.

With some luck we may see something within Q1, otherwise it's anybody's guess... I'm not holding my breath, just enjoying LFS as usual.

The first racing games I played were on the Decca game console I think, then came the VIC-20, after that the MSX-1. The games I remember the most from that period are mostly Konami's.

Road Fighter, a classic top-view racer where you hopped on your Ferrari lookalike to face time challenges divided up in stages, with water and oil spots on the track to slow you down or make you spin, and some crazy opponents who tried to crash you. Like most Konami's games of the golden-age, it was very well made and entertaining.



Hyper Rally another fun racing game, more sophisticated than Road Fighter, and relied on chase view instead.



Chequered Flag which was a coin op, one of my favorites, I liked it much more than say the classic Outrun. It sort of simulated an arcade version of a racing career, also had damage and other stuff I can't quite remember now. Top-view again. Spent entirely too much money on that



More screenshots: http://www.rom-world.com/viewscreenshots.php?id=470,

From the PC era, the only ones I can remember are: Test Drive 1 and 2, Stunts, GP2, Indy 500. I stopped playing regularly around 1993-4 IIRC, with some occasional come-backs which had nothing to do with racing (e.g. Quake, Warcraft II, Transport Tycoon, StarCraft, Warlords III, Caesar 3, Blade Runner, Fahrenheit).

I got back into regular playing at the end of 2007, and the culprit was TrackMania Nations. Someone there mentioned LFS in a conversation about controllers and the rest is history. I still play a few TMN-F, mainly with my SO (who despises LFS thoroughly)

Quote from ColeusRattus :

And I can still remember the hardest AI enemy: "Bruno Gourdo"

OMG Bruno Gourdo!!! How could I forget him! Though I still remember Skid Vicious from Stunts

PS: I came up with some more titles which were quite fun:

Atari Super Sprint this was a big coin up with up to 4 wheels IIRC and just as many players. The screen was absolutely giant for the time.



Ironman very similar to Super Sprint, played this both as a Coin Op and on the PC.



Death Rally from the same Finnish guys who wrote the famous demo 2nd reality (anyone remember Purple Motion?? I loved his mods, I still use one as my cell phone ringtone )

Very nice game with upgrades, top-view, a real classic.



http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=X5OB1f2tSpM

Ignition. recent game. Quite an underdog I think. Still very fun! Used to play it against my BIL



PPS: I also played GTA (the original), GTA III and San Andreas.

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Quote from GrIp DrIvEr :

Still, why Chrysler?

Because both Ford and GM have been running their own branches in Europe for decades already?

If they need know-how or technology they just raise their phone and call the german cousins. OTOH Chrysler and Daimler (Mercedes) had tried a merger some years ago but after its demise they split off to individual companies again.

To add insult to injury most cars Chrysler tried to sell in Europe are or were ugly, with the possible exception of the Voyager and the Jeeps. The current 300 really strikes me every time I see it, its looks are what I'd call insulting for lack of a better word.

+1 from me, it's a sensible suggestion IMO, for years MS has been telling clearly the developers where their apps should store data and since Vista came out this has been factually enforced. That was 2 years ago, LFS should have been complied already.

OTOH XP is still alive and kicking and most Vista user will just set LFS to run as admin and then forget it, so it's just a matter of *cough* priorities

@jbirdaspec, about RL tracks, I've been wondering if they don't want to add them yet because the current map system isn't accurate enough to come close to the realism level they would be satisfied with.

Quote from jbirdaspec :

LFS is really in it's self it's own little world. XFG, FXR, LX6, South City, Fern Bay....get my drift? These are symbols of our subculture.

You may have a point but to me the cars in LFS are very well thought out. They resemble a number RL cars that many people can relate to their RL experience: the XF, XR or FXO may turn into that one car you like, that you have owned or driven, or maybe only dreamt about (FZ5 or LX)

That way with one car they cater to fans of different models, without having to worry too much about balancing. Just think of all the skins that try to turn the XR or XF into some RL car. Honda, Nissan, Peugeot, Toyota, Mazda... you name it

Of course for those who have to drive the Pontiac Solstice they've dreamed about for so long, and can't settle for anything less, LFS is certainly not a viable choice

I've asked for titles that are a little different from my normal taste and wine/festival/very depressing, it's spitting title after title of films that I've either already seen, and a relative little amount of movies that I know about but likely won't see anyway.

So far the only ones which were totally wrong were a couple of Fellini's and The Virgin Suicides thats left me dreaming of an alternate reality where the director had killed the scriptwriter and then commited suicide herself.

And since we are on the topic, when it suggest an overrated PoS you've seen and totally loathed (such as Pi), is it better to reply "already seen this one" or "never come up with this crap again" ?

Quote from Alistair :

yes modern fiats arn't that good but you forget the list of brand names fiat own, there is:

TBH I can't see how you can say that, Alfa and especially Lancia share a sizeable amount of components with cars carrying the Fiat badge.

However, I've only heard superficial news about the deal, but it seems quite favorable for Fiat, basically if it is landed, they're going to receive the very same money Chrysler is receiving, in exchange for technology transfers, from a brand whose products ATM are unlikely to be in competition with Fiat's own.

Of course with tech transfers you have to watch your back later as the almost bankrupted company you are getting money from may turn into a foe in a few years...

Quote from mclarenmatt :

As Vista is still pretty new.

Yes only 2 years old, and not really cheap to begin with

As Vista didn't appear to be so well received from business and retail customers (it gest most of its market share out of the preinstalled copies), I wonder if they're going to offer a direct upgrade for XP licenses too.

Hmmmm I assumed posting porn was against the rules?

(the shift stick seems a little tall, is that so in the real car too?)

So, any idea how much this up and coming release is going to cost?

gezmoor I see where you're coming from and but all in all Snatch is so fun and different enough from LSaTSB I couldn't really complain about it

Revolver however was so bad it actually looked like the studio just said ok let's have him commit artistical suicide.

Regarding that last bit you quoted, out of context it really does sound a bit harsh, there are so many crap movies out there with unbelievably good reviews on the 'net, that would make RocknRolla look like a masterpiece in comparison.

However I'm not overly patient with artists, when one has a couple misfires I usually assume he lost the touch (especially movies since they take so long to make), and like the OP said there are so many titles out there, it's statistically inevitable there's at least one other movie you haven't seen yet which is more worthy than this one unless one's Ritchie's biggest fan.

For one I've seen How to Lose Friends and Alienate People with Simon Pegg of Shawn of the Dead fame, and despite it being a quite formulaic comedy, there's still enough juice and funny moments that it came out as a better way to spend time in front of the TV than RocknRolla for me. Since they are so different, a direct comparison would be apples to oranges and I'm only meaning it on a personal level.

PS: forgot to comment on this bit

Quote :

I think Richie is trying to live an alternative persona through his films. Or trying to give himself some "cred" by creating the same film over and over again.

IMO after the failure which Revolver was, he's only in for the cash. I can clearly play this bit in my mind where the studio executives are telling him, hey you screwed up royally with Revolver now you're going to do what we want.

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Quote from Gunn :

Some of the cars "look like they are from the 1980's" because they are from that era.

I wouldn't know which ones though, both the XRG and the XFG are screaming first half of the 90s to me. Tolerances in panel coupling, bumper shaping and design of the lights are all giving it away. The UF1 is so retro it's hard to date it.

Quote from Gunn :

As for straight edges in wheel arches etc, all 3D models are made up from triangles which form polygons.

You have to agree the RB4 is less smoothly modeled than most other cars though, the wheel arches and roof line are so rough you don't even need another car beside it to notice. It could really use a body upgrade IMO

What you were basically doing is starting an edit war, actually not the most effective way to change an article for the better

But you have received some good suggestions, now go back there and fight for the Truth

PS: I don't really understand people pissing on Wikipedia, despite some flaws, it's still a good starting point to quickly find the essential info about a topic, and even discover new ones you had no idea about - that is, for people that are able to exert a degree of critical thinking upon what they're reading.

LFSforum has, as you correctly say, a lot of noise going on (which is however an incorrectable issue of any system where pretty much anybody can speak their mind in almost completely free way), but there's very good signal on it - something I can't honestly say is true for most boards on the web.

Most time I spent on this board it was lurking mostly using the search function. In the end I only started posting because LFSforum is some kind of replacement for LFS itself... when I can't drive in it.

OTOH may I suggest you visit the iRacing section of RSC?

TBH I think it could help you put things quite in perspective. You'll see such ludicrous crap arguments being raised to defend their senseless worshipping of Kaemmer, I'm sure even the LFSers you despise the most will instantly appear to be perfectly reasonable people and a pleasure to talk with.

Quote from S14 DRIFT :

Maybe true. But I'm not so sure.

To a certain extent it doesn't matter if it's true or not, you make it become true.

Mind you I had written a much longer post but erased most of it, I just shared that one piece of thing I happened to have realized over the years - TBH who am I to tell you how to set things straight, anyway? you only know how your parents and your true situation are, I'm just a nick on a board you hang on and one you probably don't especially like either.

In the end, even with girls, it's just a state of YOUR mind, if you still feel bad it's not because she was special but becuse you made her special.

Try to detach your emotions from the things that happen to you, focus on something you want to achieve and that will give a perspective to your life so you don't fold over yourself and endlessly contemplate how bad is your life. It's not that bad. There's much worse than that.

And if you still feel in that mood, may I suggest some Pink Floyd? It's just about the best you can get to fuel your depression: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-MLxgkiPNg

I've seen RocknRolla, after the horrible failure at serious filmmaking that Revolver was, Ritchie tries to go back to his roots and fails miserably.

Whereas Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch displayed such beautifully textured writing (especially the former), I can't help but saying he lost his knack for intricate stories with little or none loose ends.

It's just Ritchie desperately trying to copycat himself: starts too slow with a copious amount of overdubbed dialog which in itself should've made a bell ring within the mind of the Guy about the quality of the script. The characters are so bland you can't really feel for anyone of them (and there are too many of them, most of which add simply nothing to the end result) - mind you this was not a strong point in his previous features but some of the characters had some kind of superficial coolness which made you like them nonetheless.

Part of the magic was also the sheer fun of the rollercoaster kind of plots he came up with - but that's gone too, after Revolver and this one it's clear Ritchie doesn't want or manage to be funny anymore.

All in all I think I'll avoid wasting time on more films by the same director.

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Quote from S14 DRIFT :

I'm the only "son" that my Mum's had and even she'd admitted when I was a newborn baby, that she wanted another girl and "I had to accept that it was a boy", as I overhead on the phone.

People are just people, parents make no exception: don't take whatever they say like they really mean it. Sometimes their brain happens to be disconnected from their mouth and comes up with that kind of atrocious things.

Quote from UnknownMaster21 :

(...)
Graphics addons
(...)
Textures

I like those two. But IMO it should not just be about additional folders, rather addon packages which worked more or less the same way as a Firefox extension.

Every package would be an archive with additional files in it and an xml describing its metadata, e.g. the versions of LFS the addon is compatible with (so a new patch would be able to disable certain updates that are no longer compatible).

LFS would then have an additional screen under Options to allow the users to selectively enable/disable the addons.

Then again, modding is currently unsupported, and there are no indications Scawen wants to change that. Maybe in a few years...

Quote from aroX123 :

-See the drivers face through the visors.

That's probably unfeasible because of the infamous limitation on alpha layers of the current version of DirectX LFS is using, which is also responsible for the smoke/particles disappearing in certain views.

So it will have to wait for an engine upgrade

Thanks for pointing that out, I'm so used to skipping the comments altogether that I had not realized there was an interesting conversation going on there