Quote from DrBen :

That's why it is so fast.
The downside is that most of these systems built into standard road-cars are not suitable for stunt-driving manoeuvres since they lack an override-third-pedal

As far as I can tell servo-operated manual transmission are extremely slow when the control unit fails to anticipate the next gear.

Quote from sam93 :

I have Xubuntu on my laptop which I have had on there for about a month now but still have to learn about everything Linux has to offer, so really I am a noob to Linux.

Good choice: XFce is a nice, light interface - though not as full featured as the big ones. You should be able to switch the desktop environment, would you like to try another, without having to install a different distro. Just use your favorite package manager.

KDE can be made very Windows-ish, OTOH I can't be bothered to try Gnome. As for lightweight UIs, I'd keep an eye on LXDE, too.

Wikipedia is another useful tool if you need directions in the distro world.

What about modding it? And if you're not happy about the outcome, you can still buy or build another one.

Quote from th84 :

Why is it so hard to believe that he does this stuff for fun?

No, no, you got it all wrong. I'm not here assuming to know what's going on in the head of a person who's sure nice, down to earth and has even raced with half the iRacers already if web boards are to be believed, and also a guy whose existence I've never suspected about, until iRacing popped up on the radar (ok ok my fault)

What it's hard to believe is that he does all that stuff for fun ONLY.

These days if you have any kind public image, good, bad, niche, whatever it is - it has an economic value and every time you're not turning that into a profit, you're losing money.

Certainly iRacing isn't set out to save hungry, traumatized children in developing countries, it's more like recouping the mythological 22 mln bucks that would have been poured in the thing which, dare anyone not call it a game, it's REAL, it even fits inside General Racing Talk unlike all of the other sims around, but back to the point...

Well, if he does that for free, the least I can say he's mismanaged

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Quote from George Kuyumji :

I have yet to hear Dale Jr. ever making advertising for iRacing publicly.

I'm not sure what you have in mind, the guy's name is stamped all over the 'net ever before since the game was actually released. If you google a bit you will find dozens of pieces of news where he mentions or talks extensively about iRacing, and from what I read about iRacing, half the people with an account has actually raced against him.

Quote from George Kuyumji :

You ask why would any real driver spend hours in iRacing, maybe just ...to have fun?

Now a person who has been called 'the most popular NASCAR driver', which if I'm correct, is actually the best known motorsport in USA, would really talk about or race incessantly a sim, only for fun?

Or if you like this better, are we all born yesterday?

If the guy hasn't some kind of deal with iRacing, then he is the only famous racer in the world who has nothing better in his life to do than free promotion.

And just to make this clear, people with the faintest trace of a popularity won't even do charity for free, much less spend their image on a business without having something in exchange.

PS: I'm still wondering how iRacing constitutes "General Racing Talk" since no real car is involved...

Recently there was a thread about a driver who raced in Formula BMW and now UK F3 IIRC.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were more, but if I was a race car driver, would I tell the community? I'm not sure

OTOH if I understand it correctly, the guy you're talking about gets his dough for promoting iRacing, certainly we don't have such a luxury in LFS.

Quote from Shotglass :

because even the most random hardware always comes with a useable windows driver

So it's the evil penguins' fault if they don't want to support your random hardware?

Nothing so childish: it's the random manufacturer that's choosing not make Linux support available. Drivers could be developed free of charge by the open source crowd, but somehow the manufacturer doesn't want them to... maybe to avoid harming certain business liaisons by acting unthoughtfully.

This is competition, but as soon as it hurts the consumer and hampers the development of alternative pieces of software, it becomes unfair. Though anyone who has followed IT long enough knows the Redmond guys are quite agnostic when it comes to abstract concepts such as fairness and unfairness...

Quote from Shotglass :

linux is a hobby not an os

I'm not sure what the guys that work fulltime on linux would think about this. I wouldn't be so quick to say people at Intel are messing with software a bit just for fun.

And, for each and every horror story you can come up with, there's at least another one which is more ridiculous or alarming and the subject is Windows.

Just think what you Fritz!Box or router would work like if it has Windows in it: it would probably be half as fast, cost 10 times more and kids would be hacking it something like 5 times a day.

Quote from Shotglass :

(the only part that took a bit of time was getting the driver on my laptop which hasnt got a cdrom drive) i wouldnt want to think about what that experience would have been like with linux

It would have played like this: the kernel would have automatically recognize the USB device and configured it for you. No need to install any driver. No need to reboot.

Quote from Shotglass :

(have i mentioned that in eg ubuntu im required to use some random console app to configure my pppoe modem? good luck figuring that out without an internet connection to search for the solution online)

My PPPoE modem just works. It also has linux on it, go figure.

Luckily it is a device which follows standard, open protocols which were not devised by some genius trying to make the other makers' systems incompatible with its own.

Last edited by NightShift, Sat 10 Jan 2009, 01:47.

Quote from P5YcHoM4N :

I am an advocate for using the OS that suits your needs, if you want security and customisation, use *nix.

The tone of your reply suggests that I might have sounded like a penguin fanboy where in fact, I'm not. I've used several alternative OSes in the past and I still run a Linux box, but as a matter fact, I quite agree on the bit about using what fits the purpose best.

I wouldn't say Windows is particularly user-friendly though, it's so widespread that people tend to learn how to do their stuff anyway.

Quote from mrodgers :

everyone be using Windows 7 and saying how great it is....

Given enough time, everyone who wants or needs to use Windows will need to upgrade because they changed the driver model and eventually the new hardware will be unsupported under older versions.

I've never heard anybody say Windows is great unless I was talking to a MS fanboy. Most people use it because it's standard.

These days there are a lot more overpriced shiny PCs with a fruit on it and penguin-powered stuff around that I would have expected only a few years ago, when non-technical people used to say, 'what? there's something else beyond windows?'

Not offline, just on the servers which run it online. Most if not all InSim addons work perfectly fine on a local server anyway, it's just matter of setting them up correctly.

I can't see any specks here

Quote from akhenaph :

but in the game the car tend to spin more fast than in the real life. (I had no time to set up the car , so maybe is a setup problem)

Maybe. But the MRT is known to be easily spun so...

Hmmm the FBM looks better, revs higher, sounds better, is easy enough to drive, is a demo car. It's like the XFG of the single seaters.

To me it's just one of the usual moaners grinding on: seriously, if one had a decent argument to discuss, he/she would have done already.

The moment this phase of the moaning is done, the next one will begin, criticizing the Scirocco because it's FWD, heavy, it's ugly, or anyway because each and every VW will just explode in a great ball of fire the moment you take em on a track etc etc etc

We had a number of threads locked in the months following the announcement, and this one hasn't been different from those, since god knows how many pages already. The only reason I can see for not having it locked is just because a new one would pop up in half a hour max.

PS: oh well my guesstimate wasn't so much off anyway.

Last edited by NightShift, Sat 10 Jan 2009, 15:35.

Quote from Ikaponthus :

I sometimes wonder if there would be any possible way to "simulate" the G-Forces for a driving sim cheaply, but I think it's a pipe dream. I can't imagine any way

Neural jack? Quite cyberpunk-ish and a bug in the firmware could have serious consequences

Quote from GrIp DrIvEr :

i was thinking of a new track for you guys

Thank you so much! I'm sure nobody else ever had the idea, much less posted it on LFSforum

Two actually, F1PerfView and LRA. Personally I like the latter more, both can only analyze .raf files though.

http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Telemetry

As for real time notifications about splits etc on a LAN server, you need an InSim add-on like LFSlapper.

Quote from GrIp DrIvEr :

how about a 6 mile straight.

Sure, why not?

Quote from GrIp DrIvEr :

that way, you can see how truely fast your car goes.

We could also have an ePenis meter booth fitted in the Drag Strip, what you think?

Quote from BBO@BSR :

Vista is for me a bit like WinME

I beg to differ, WinME was the last gasp of the 95 platform, released more or less at the same time as 2000. The latter however was significantly more robust than anything in the 95...ME product arc, but was also different because of its NT heirloom.

Vista has significantly reworked innards if compared with the previous installments of the NT series - problem being, I don't really see how those changes really make the user life any better.

In the end we will have to migrate to Vista, Win7, or whatever they come up with... unless you jump the barricade and decide to use an alternative system, something that is not always feasible or desirable.

Last edited by NightShift, Thu 8 Jan 2009, 19:54.

In response to the thread subject... you tell me?

I can't see the point in Vista I have to use it but at the same time never felt the need to upgrade my personal machine.

However, MS seems to keep doing 'cycles', release one product, check the reactions then improve it accordingly. Think of Win 3.0->3.1->WfWG, 95->98->OSR2, 2000->XP.

Quote from KurtG85 :

To limit the exposure of a product just because you are afraid some of the people you market to will not automatically appreciate and respect your product is self defeating.

Then again, I don't think there has been much talk of LFS outside the simracing world.

I have been outside simracing since 1991 or 1992 IIRC. I only got back to LFS because of word of mouth from another (unrelated) forum...

Quote from hyntty :

The topic says it all: I was taking a look at the Scirocco with the CMX viewer, and couldn't find a fuel filler cap. Where is it?

Are you aware of any other LFS road car which has it?

TBH thinking on my feet, I can't come up with one name.

Quote from Mattesa :

Starts here: http://forum.racesimcentral.co ... d.php?t=332876&page=8

Very interesting read TY. When he says

Quote :

I could be very wrong and much inferior to the ''physics guys'' at iRacing but they simply haven't convinced me that they follow the best path towards full physics realism. I'm harsher to them as there are fulltime employees with a budget to spend, and modders just have evening hours and google PDF hunting at their disposal.

I feel with all their display of elitism and the marketing strategy based on it, iRacing has set itself up for this kind of criticism. Now sorry for the OT in the OT and please go back to the usual bantering about nKp

Quote from Ikaponthus :

Victor: I have to disagree. This kind of cult-belief is dangerous, and the brainwashing starts when some fairly innocent looking thing like this is accepted. People should be able to voice their disapproval.

What you seem to be missing is that as soon as you turn someone with religious beliefs into a martyr, just because of those, you've lost whatever battle you were trying to win.

Want to voice your disapproval? There are much pressing issues in society itself beyond LFS.