Quote from mr grady :

just remember, RAIN WATER only!

I'm curious, why's that?

I used to use Tap water on my morning glories all the time, and I still use it all the time on my mom's tomatoes and basil. They're all doing just fine, and have been doing just fine.

I'm thinking of getting one to help out with the roach problem i've got. Can they digest roaches? How picky are they on climate and feed?

Try looking up clubs in your area. They'll surely know something about the events, and might even take you in

Quote from Homeless_Drunk :

Its not elitist at all, its the truth. There are lots of LFS users, and you can tell by reading the forums, who are not into the whole 'hardcore' simulation deal. I am sure as LFS matures people will leave because they don't like the 'realism'.

I don't see how that's NOT elitist...

Quote from Woz :

How many times.........

FCV at the moment is an OPTION!!!!!

You are NOT forced to use it or join a server that has it enabled. It was created for LX Month.

You appear to agree that it WILL be needed later so what is wrong with adding it now.

The main problem I see with adding it now is how many people disagree with it, and that if it were to become used on the majority of servers, I fear that a good portion of the community would just up and leave.

Quote from drifter06 :

this server ECC is excellent !!!

You guys suck at shameless pimps.

Quote from sldwayz :

Hey guys anyone going to join me on the 24hr ™DB Drift Server[NO] at FE gold rev.

Thanks

Quote from Homeless_Drunk :

Wow...



wrong.

Its a simulation...let me quote from lfs.net (http://www.lfs.net/?page=moreabout)



I noticed a lot of the people who are bitching (not all of them) are newer to the game. If you go back though the forums, even back to RSC, you will notice LFS has always been meant to be a SIMULATION not a simplistic arcade game. Like myself and others have said, these kind of additions that make the game more realistic will really separate the arcade racers from the simulation racers.

I don't see it as an arcade game, not in the slightest. I see it as a driving simulation GAME.

No matter how "hardcore" the sim becomes, it'll still be a video game. I could see force cockpit view making sense in the future once gameplay FEATURES that accentuate its use actually come into play, but as it stands, it's just starting arguments left and right.

I bet you that once we have things like windshield brakage and dynamic car dirt (lol) implemented, then barely anybody will complain, because FCV then becomes a gameplay feature. At the moment though, I find it rather pointless, if only because taking it out would prevent oh so many arguments in the community.

Quote from tristancliffe :

My post was in reply to Nihil's posts above. He said that changing light was absurd and would leave LFS when such eye-candy came in.

Sorry, thought you were replying to the post prior to yours.

Quote from tristancliffe :

You don't want damage? You don't want breakable glass? Do you not want rain either? What about visual tyre condition? What about engine blow ups, variable day/night cycles, waving/animated flags/marshalls?

All of these things do nothing but ADD to the 'high quality driving simulation', yet all of them are 'eye-candy'.

That's not eye candy in the slightest. Those actually change and/or add to the underlying ingame mechanics, and change the game itself.

Eye candy is just something there for show. If I put cows behind the barriers in Aston, it'd just be something good to look at. The player doesn't need to react or interact with the cow to play the game.

If I put the cow in the middle of one of the straights at Aston, then it'd no longer be eye candy, but it'd become a gameplay feature. It actually changes the way one plays the game, as one is required to interact with or react to the presence of the cow to successfully play the game.

Cockpit view really is nothing but eyecandy. Eyecandy that I thoroughly enjoy, but eyecandy nonetheless. You might need to play a little differently, and it may take you awhile to become accustomed to the change in visuals, but it doesn't actually change the way the game is played. Sure, it may change the way you PERCIEVE the game, but there's nothing there for the player to interact or react to.

Last edited by sinkoman, Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:37.

Anybody know of racing torrent sites other than Racing-Underground?

RU has barely any 1990 torrents, and all of the other older races pretty much unseeded.

Quote from ans7812 :

how can the car pivot around wheels that have no grip. Think about it, if you make a pivot in basketball, you turn on the foot that is PLANTED to the ground.

Are you even READING MY POST?

Pivot on the TWO FRONT WHEELS. THE ONES WITH THE GRIP.

The car obviously won't pivot over something with zero grip.

Cripes :P

Quote from richo :

Eat a kebab and a 1ltr of Coke should fix your right up...

That's not nearly enough to quell the best of the munchies

Quote from sinkoman :

since you still have grip on your front two wheels, the car pivots around them.

Quote from ans7812 :

It wouldn't make sense if the car pivoted on wheels that had no grip...

Unless you're talking about something other than what i'm thinking of.

Quote from ans7812 :

Yes that happens to me sometimes. Does anyone care to explain to me why this happens? I am just curious as to what causes it.

I think it's because all the cars weight is shifted to the outside wheels, so if you drop only your outside driven wheel into the grass, you lose a TONNE of traction, and since you still have grip on your front two wheels, the car pivots around them.

Quote from deggis :

It's not yet uploaded there?

Nope.

Quote from Woz :

Actually hardcore sort of options like this are NORMAL in serious sims and have been for a while.

NR2003 had a hardcore OPTION and in LFS FCV is an OPTION. The NR2003 would cause serious fights here because it also locked FOV and visual quality. Visual quality settings are forced so people could not lower smoke levels etc to gain an advantage that way.

While SOME here play LFS as they would any other game, more treat it as the SIM it is

Then I think some need to realize that no matter how much of a sim it will be, it'll still be just a game, so it's ok to sacrifice some things in the name of fun.

It's a sim, sure, it's a great sim, and the way I see it, is that as long as you leave the underlying ingame mechanics alone, then it'll stay that way.

I really do see the benefits outside of "realism" with this FCV option, like how it'll be possible to filter out newbs who ruin races from lack of racing knowledge, or people who just pop into a server and have never raced the combo in their life, my main concern is that it'll some day end up like the BF2 "infantry only" option, which ended up being used in the great majority of servers, effectively splitting the game community.

Quote from tristancliffe :

It's the view from the T-shaped camera modern F1 cars have on the top of the roll hoop/airbox intake.

The ones they occasionally switch to on TV and brand as the "in car view"?

I'm a tad confused as to exactly what the "T-Cam view" is.

And I still think this whole "forced cockpit view" server side option is a tad silly. No matter how "hardcore" or how "realistic" you try to make the game, it's still just that, a GAME! And seeing as it's just a game, it's ok to sacrifice SOME realism (without harming the underlying game mechanics of course), in the name of FUN.

If we all have the same options available to us, then i'd hardly call it an unfair advantage to use the wheel view. Ok, you don't want to use it, but oh well, tough luck. If you want to lap as fast as the guy using it (and I doubt he's lapping any faster than you), then the option is always there for you to use it. If you CAN, but don't WANT TO change your view (because your realism panties are in a bunch), then tough luck for you.

Last edited by sinkoman, Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:30.

Anybody have any idea why the British GP2 sprint race is missing from Racing Underground?

I'm guessing that he's NOT a kid, because his username is that of a highly psychoactive, expensive, hallucinogenic, and hard to find psychotropic substance.

Dangit, now that i've read this thread, i've started toying with my FOV, and can't seem to get it just right.

Using the default, I seem to have a hard time seeing cars to my left and right, and the mirrors and gauges just don't work out as well as with a lower FOV.

If I bump it up though, everything just looks WONKY. If I lower it though, I really can't see SHIT.

I'm used to barely ever using the look left right buttons. I'm thinking maybe I should just set it lower, and train myself to get used to using the buttons?

Dammit, any advice?

EDIT: HOLY CRAP! I just tried a FOV of around 49, and in three laps time I managed to beat my personal best on FE Gold in the FOX by around .2 seconds!

It's really uncomfortable though . It looks great, but it's hard to see what's going on, and it feels like you're going so damn slow.

Last edited by sinkoman, Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:51.

Quote from R.Kolz :

Yes, it does. That´s the strainge part of it. But for sure not always during races.

I have this problem on my momo too. It's just that you're not hitting the paddle hard enough.

What happens is i'll always end up more concentrated on the wheel than on my shifting, so when it comes time to up-shift, I usually just tap the shifter lightly. My problem is only on the Up-shifts though, so it doesn't really harm my racing.

Just try to start hitting the paddles harder, it's starting to turn into habit for me

I'm a bit of a newb when it comes to racing, and I want to check out some of the older seasons of racing.

So, LFS Community, which vintage Formula 1 and WRC seasons did you enjoy the most?

Hell, regardless of series, which seasons of ANY series did you find the most exciting?

Quote from tristancliffe :

The dark line IS dynamic. Where you drive adjusts where the line is.

User car just uses YOUR lines (including your mistakes) to update it.
All cars uses (you guessed it) all cars, including AI and online players, to update the path, so will include aliens, newbies, noobs, the AI AND you.

It refers to the general dark line, and not the skid marks.

Holy hell, didn't know that!

Explains why it seems that some days it follows the perfect racing line, and others, it doesn't.

Quote from Stang70Fastback :

Personally I just think that the view should be forced IN THE COCKPIT. Additionally, everyone should be forced to use the same set. That way it's a competition of who is the best DRIVER, not who is the best TWEAKER. In fact, honestly, if there was a way to force the SHIFT+F view too, so that all the HUD displays (tire temps, time, cones hit, etc...) were gone, I'd opt for that too.

The problem here is that in real life, the driver can just turn on the radio and ask the pit crew about his tyre temps, what sort of compound they're planning on putting on next, how much fuel they're going to put in next round, what his last split time was, what his current time is, etc etc. In LFS though, you don't get that luxury, and the ingame readoffs are the closest thing to a pit crew that we'll probably ever get.