You see the problem here?
Some rules have more flexibility than others. And it seems, like the 3id car, got a pretty flexible rule.
It was unfair to TDRT to restart the race a lap early. TDRT would have caught up and had hotter tires, but that's the way the rules are written, and that's what would have been fair. It benefited the other 26 teams, but it was not fair.
The point we're really trying to make is to have the Right rules in place such that on-the-fly decisions are not neccessary.
Can you guys see where Nolan is coming from here:
-The TDRT was left a minute behind the field against the written rule. None of the (4?) admins were aware which team was being hurt by this.
-The My3id car was not further penalized after breaking the 3-lap pentalty rule. Judgement call not to enforce the rules because of their "confusion". Benefit of the doubt - My3id
-At Fern Bay, the #30 was punted out of the race under a SC. The Judgement call was to enforce the (out-of context) rules and not allow the 30 to rejoin. Benefit of the doubt - against 30
His language was uncalled for. The admins need to come up with their own standards, but to apply them fairly to every team.
Edit -> See Skippy's post Please.
This is what i was saying. We're not accusing wrong-doing, but the circumstances were questionable to the rest of the field. Extra care is neccesary, even in such a stressfull environment.
Lol. While Nolan (and I, and a few others can get excited), I am truely appreciative to see that both you and others can understand how this is a cause for concern. I believe good is coming from this discussion, I really do.
No-one deserves to be caught out by administrative decisions.
Having strong admins and well-writen rules are part of what makes this series Great.
I certainly am NOT accusing you (admins plural) of favoring your respective teams, but merely pointing out how you need to be very careful to Not take actions that can question your impartiality.
It is plainly obvious when it comes to black-and-white rules, you hold your teams to the strictest standards. The "grey areas" are what can lead to trouble.
When your team looses a connection or sets fastest lap, a
or 
from the admins does not show true impartiality. It's nothing more than a simple finger slip, but Please try and see how it looks through the eyes of the other competitors. When you add things like that to judgement calls that really screw up a certain team, it can be hugely disheartening.
My final thoughts are that you all have a tough job. You obviously want your teams to have sucess, who doesn't? The admins of this series are top notch, and work their asses off for this series. My only hope is to be a little more aware of all teams, and how their (admins) actions can be perceived.
Thanks,
|||Stu
S3Racing
No-one deserves to be caught out by administrative decisions.
Having strong admins and well-writen rules are part of what makes this series Great.
I certainly am NOT accusing you (admins plural) of favoring your respective teams, but merely pointing out how you need to be very careful to Not take actions that can question your impartiality.
It is plainly obvious when it comes to black-and-white rules, you hold your teams to the strictest standards. The "grey areas" are what can lead to trouble.
When your team looses a connection or sets fastest lap, a
or from the admins does not show true impartiality. It's nothing more than a simple finger slip, but Please try and see how it looks through the eyes of the other competitors. When you add things like that to judgement calls that really screw up a certain team, it can be hugely disheartening.My final thoughts are that you all have a tough job. You obviously want your teams to have sucess, who doesn't? The admins of this series are top notch, and work their asses off for this series. My only hope is to be a little more aware of all teams, and how their (admins) actions can be perceived.
Thanks,
|||Stu
S3Racing
I don't see it this way. By following rules as they are written, there's very little room to assume anything. In this instance, had we done the second lap of SC there might have been increased risk of colder tires, but there would be No question of second interests there or not. TDRT would have had an advantage, caught up to the field with properly warmed tires, but hell, the rules are written so a strategy like that can work.
I do believe you. I believe you to be an honest And impartial person. That said, actions speak louder than words, and I'm of the belief that it behooves the IGTC staff to try and remove themselves from judgement calls whenever possible.
I understand that, but can you see the trouble with this?
TDRT was unaware, and got screwed by it. While you have a provision for such events, you (as a group) broke a pretty clear rule, that people make important strategy decisions off of.
Lastly, because it was a "judgement call" and not a mistake, we all now have to wonder if you would have done the same exact thing if it was a CoRe car that was going to be screwed and not TDRT.
I personally believe you would, but can you see how this kind of behavior raises eyebrows of impartiality?
TDRT was unaware, and got screwed by it. While you have a provision for such events, you (as a group) broke a pretty clear rule, that people make important strategy decisions off of.
Lastly, because it was a "judgement call" and not a mistake, we all now have to wonder if you would have done the same exact thing if it was a CoRe car that was going to be screwed and not TDRT.
I personally believe you would, but can you see how this kind of behavior raises eyebrows of impartiality?
DWB, you understand the problem with not calling it a mistake?
TDRT Likely chose their strategy based of the 2-lap minimum rule, and possibly would have approached it differently had they known otherwise. How was TDRT to know you would circumvent the rules to benefit the rest of the field at the detriment of their own?
You didn't abide by one of your own rules. In this instance, it undoubtedly hurt one team, while benefiting the team of your own affiliation in two instances. 1) It's tires were less cold, and 2) one opponent was left far far behind.
So it would be benificial to call it a simple mistake (of the rules more than anything), and make the neccesary changes to the rules.
EDIT -> IMO, the 2-lap rule is a good one to abide by for strategy and general spacing. IF you feel the need to make a short SC period, a general alert should be made as soon as possible.
TDRT Likely chose their strategy based of the 2-lap minimum rule, and possibly would have approached it differently had they known otherwise. How was TDRT to know you would circumvent the rules to benefit the rest of the field at the detriment of their own?
You didn't abide by one of your own rules. In this instance, it undoubtedly hurt one team, while benefiting the team of your own affiliation in two instances. 1) It's tires were less cold, and 2) one opponent was left far far behind.
So it would be benificial to call it a simple mistake (of the rules more than anything), and make the neccesary changes to the rules.
EDIT -> IMO, the 2-lap rule is a good one to abide by for strategy and general spacing. IF you feel the need to make a short SC period, a general alert should be made as soon as possible.
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Ditto. A rule is a rule is a rule. If any are to be enforced, then all need to be enforced. Mistakes happen, but picking and choosing (without prior advances) is not really the way to do things.
Been waiting for this one for a while. Unfortunately that price is a bit prohibitive at the moment.
Damn i want one.
Damn i want one.
Sorry friend. I was on the main straight driving in a straight line, not defending position at all. You had a draft and were going to clear me easily. I actually was planning on braking early for T1. Your clipping down on me was just baffling as it was on the straight, and you weren't clear (past me).
It wasn't a racing incident, as it was completely avoidable.
Event Complete! great race dudes! Gratz to CoRe 
hmm... Wait!
I took back over the car after the 2 hour mark. Therefore it must have been lap 49-54 I believe.
I took back over the car after the 2 hour mark. Therefore it must have been lap 49-54 I believe.
The precedent has kind of been set already. I accidentally hit the F1 "
" as I was leaving after a driver change, my team was penalized. Anywho, you've got 3 laps to serve the pentalty, but it might not let you once you enter pit lane.
Bummer either way.
#29 R.Kolz
#02 S.Duff
On the front straightaway.
#02 S.Duff
On the front straightaway.
It was 43 for me i believe, 44 for him. Out of the chicane I kept my right side on the white line, never moving as he drafted by.
Before he completed the pass he decided to chop me unfortunately.
On the straightaway, never changing line, the whole rest of the track available. Unfortunate impatience really.
Before he completed the pass he decided to chop me unfortunately.
On the straightaway, never changing line, the whole rest of the track available. Unfortunate impatience really.
Lap 43.2 out of the final hairpin, The 34 ran into the 02, again, under the blue flag.
Protest of the #34.
There was no pentalty issued for not knowing the starting procedure, and the 34 proceded to hit everything around it for the first several laps.
There was no pentalty issued for not knowing the starting procedure, and the 34 proceded to hit everything around it for the first several laps.
Options -> Game -> Edit F1-F8 -> F1 -> "$SC"
Hi everyone! Best of luck to all competitors tomorrow (today)!
Special thanks out to Ben's dedication to the series!
Special thanks out to Ben's dedication to the series!
Sorry I haven't read the whole discussion, but did anyone else notice Kimi had a digital speedo on his steering wheel?
Probably distracted him coming out of the tunnel...
Probably distracted him coming out of the tunnel...
Proof or it never happend (aka i want quotations).
Welcome to LFS btw
He has his name and reputation. His word is enough here for 99% of this community. Of course he isn't going to hand out the beta tester's name he borrowed from.
You on the other hand, we've never heard of and are trying to discredit someone who posted a fair conclusion after trying out the product.
Edit - Saw your prior post. You wouldn't understand. As I said, between the two of you, I know who I'm believing.
You on the other hand, we've never heard of and are trying to discredit someone who posted a fair conclusion after trying out the product.
Edit - Saw your prior post. You wouldn't understand. As I said, between the two of you, I know who I'm believing.
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