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srdsprinter
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Congrats on the baby on the way! You could always just join Land of the Free. Our average age is XX... and I could be the only member without a family...


Best of luck with the contest.
srdsprinter
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ha! 2 essentially identical corners my ass. Are all three turns on Kyoto oval identical?

Please continue to make yourself sound like an idiot.
srdsprinter
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True, in the end I imagine blame would be distributed my way. It's impossible to see how successfull the late-braking would have been though... Cold tires, unknown normal braking point...


Sorry for off-topic... I blame em both.
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srdsprinter
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I think it was both.

B could have respected A's overlap.
A could have eased slightly when contact was made.

Slow-motion please in the future!

DWB: we should send our incident, but I'd fear the ridicule my driving would recieve!
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
Lol... my thoughts exactly DWB.

Excellent Poster! Reminds me very much of old-time GP and LeMans posters. Best of luck with the league!
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
Nice video. I was the car off the road going into the cutbacks on the first lap. I recovered and made my way from 17th to 4th. If i made a video, it would have to be 4x FFWD though, because i can't pass people like R4ptor can!

Nice driving
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
I still am at a loss to understand what is trying to be achieved here.

An LCD can "only" display 60 frames per second, no more. If you are already getting all 60 FPS from your c2d and 7600gt, than getting more than 60FPS will give you No Change At All.

My guess is there is some pyschological effect playing on you now that you have a "feeble" 60fps.

Anyway, best of luck getting your vSync turned off!
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
For everyone (but JPM) all the wind, track temps, cloud cover, cold tires, ducks, in the world is not going to cause them to make a pile-up like that.

So again, why are they idiots?

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I never said it was a survey, I was just making a short list TC:
Tristan > Mario Andretti in manlyness
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
^shoot me now.... LFS is still a fine sim, and it has a very bright future yet.
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
ImportFantasy, sounds like an interesting thing to fantasize about...

But DomesticFantasy would be so much more intriguing...

8.5/10
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
Bah, Mario Andretti, Jaques Villenueve, JPM, Alex Zanardi, all pansies compared to Tristan.... well, I actually agree about Jaques being a pansie hippy.


And anyway, its the Sanctioning Bodies, who for some strange reason enjoy having their drivers alive, that prohibit these "pansies" from going out there and killing themselves and all their adoring fans.


Sadly, no you are not loosing the same 80% safety margin. Your car weighs 1400lbs (?) and goes roughly 140mph. A stock car weighs 3600lbs, and goes 200mph... Momentum anyone? A champcar weighs 1500lbs, and goes 240mph. So your margin of safety alone at 70-odd is much higher than a 3600lb car going 170mph in a 40 car draft spanning less than 3 seconds around a turn with 30 degree banking.
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srdsprinter
S2 licensed
Quote from h3adbang3r :...

The physics are the same, the forces are worlds different.
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
Quote from tristancliffe :I just don't see how oval drivers can call themselves half decent if they refuse to drive in the wet or attempt unbanked/right hand corners.

afaik, "oval drivers" have never been the one's to refuse to drive in the wet. It's the sanctioning bodies that fortunately have more than a modicum of common sense.


How could you possibly say that you have an 80% reduction in margin of safety (your ability to keep the car in control), yet proclaim how much easier it to catch mistakes?
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
Quote from tristancliffe :Nope, because it's wet. The limit is lower (and slower). Which is the point I am making. Thanks for assisting with it.

The conclusion - wet accidents generally happen at slower speeds, and wet slides are more easily caught due to the lower speeds. Thus oval races can and should be raced in the wet. Safety a concern (not from lone car accidents but from people running into them)? Then stay at home or make the cars safer!

Brilliant.

Open wheel rain setup - softer spring rates, higher ride heights, more downforce, etc. All things to aide you catching your slides, and slowing your overall car.

Most ovals have banked, high camber turns. This would prohibit softer springs, heigher ride heights. NASCAR has mandated wings/spoilers that are non-adjustable.

In essence a stock car on a wet oval could retain 80% of its speed, and loose 80% of its margin of safety (ability to make corrections).

So you've got 43 3600lb missiles running essentially dry-weather setups, with immensely dimminished braking capabilities, little to no visibility, while still running 170mph all within 5-10 seconds of one another. Sounds reasonable enough, eh tristan?
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srdsprinter
S2 licensed
What exactly is an "oval racer"??? Montoya, Zanardi, Villenueve, Gordon all arguably "oval racers" have shown their skill-sets are anything but limited to ovals. To call NASCAR racers oval racers and limit their skillset is incredibly naive. Roughly half of the nextel cup drivers have participated in non-oval races outside their series, usually doing damn well in the 24hr of Daytona, or ALMS races.

Some have grown up racing on dirt, and you better believe that requires amazing car control.

Stop the innuendo slighting NASCAR please.

Oh, and you can forget about the non-adaptability to changing conditions. Cloud cover can easily effect lap times tenths of seconds. Winds, Marbles (rubber build-up), and ever-changing aero conditions as well (the cars are approaching the aero-sensitivity of open-wheelers).
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srdsprinter
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Quote from tristancliffe :Yes, by a long way.

Interesting. I would have to guess you are not at the same limit that you are in the dry.
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
That's the thing though, speeds would not decrease to the level that would increase the percieved safety. 3600lb cars going 190mph take a long time to stop, even in ideal conditions.

I was at an Indy Racing League race where two spectators were killed by debris. It was at a 1.5 mile oval (dry), the cars were lapping at 220mph (1600lb cars). The incident involved two cars crashing out of turn 4. By the time they had slid to a stop it was past the start finish line into turn 1, probably over 1/4 mile away. Everyone else around them could slow down.

On a wet oval 1.5-2.6 miles long, stock cars would probably still be going 160-170mph, maintained, not peak. These are not speeds or groupings you see on street circuits. If two crashed, the competitors behind would
A) be blind to seeing it due to spray.
B) have no way to stop/slow in avoidance.

Its nonsensical to race on a wet oval.

Is your Formula car easier to correct in the rain just because you're going slower?
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
Trust me, if you're really getting 60fps constantly, than it there is no way it could be that bad.

And the bad news, if your eyes don't like the 60fps refresh rate of an lcd, then your only option is to go back to your crt.
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
Particularly on a paved oval circuit, any liquid residue can cause huge grip loss. So basically it would just be too high a compromise in safety to put 43 cars on track with significantly reduced handling abilities.
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
lol... wrong title:

"new widescreen monitor no percievable FPS drop?"
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
I agree, S3 will probably have a Lot more than more content.

That said, I hate the doomsday-sayers of S3's never developing. If the dev's really wanted to/needed too, I'm confident they could have a Large % of S2'ers being S3'ers in a matter of months.
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
No doubt it is a sign of your respect.

As for forfeiting the race, I would try to ask what the person would want you to do.

The weekend after 9/11 the F1 circuit was at Indy. There was talk of canceling the event, but everyone knew you have to keep moving forward. Stopping your life, being scared, was not an option. Many teams showed there respects, Ferrari ran a black nosecone.
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
Although the dev's have stated S3 work has not begun, I imagine it (initially) would be little more than new content, similar as S1-S2 was, and a significant patch.

Eric has probably been working hard throughout all this quiet time, and S2 complete's content is conceivably just short a few track updates and new interiors away.

It is not hard to imagine that Eric's PC has a few new track environments, and a few new cars (Prototype, GT1, Stock Car, Historics, Touring Cars, WRC, formula ford, super car, there are plenty LFS has yet to explore) in various stages of development. Some polishing and voila, S3a could be a significant upgrade to all of us in a relatively short amount of time.

If this were the case, Scawen could continue with whatever further S3 physics development he choses at his own pace.

This is just one idea, probably 0% correct. Feel free to flame.
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srdsprinter
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The whole purpose of oval racing is that the spectators get to see the race. As mentioned, the mist/spray would make things impossible to see.

This would be worse for the drivers, not seeing ahead on an oval is non-sensical and deadly, as there is nowhere to go (in case of accidents) and cars are in high speed packs unlike road-racing.
srdsprinter
S2 licensed
By the time it goes final, LFS will be a true hard-core sim (full damage, etc.). It will only have limited appeal to the audience you fear.
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