To clear the negative emotions derived from the words "hotlapping mentality":
- Yes, you need to go as fast *as realistically possible* every lap!
It is understood that LFS does lack a number of details that affect the possible realism including track temp, oil, grass/dirt, finalized damage, etc. Therefore you obviously don't need to account for these in how hard you push.
What I hope people understand is that lapping cars is part of racing, tenths / lap will be lost. It is entirely Unrealistic to make rules that cater to ensure that teams will be able to lap cars without any delay. It is up to all the drivers (especially late into races) to work together to minimize the amount of delay.
It is this "hotlapping mentality" where drivers expect to be 100% unimpeeded to turn 100% perfect laps.
- I think this is actually very rare in actuality, otherwise you would not be in a series with Wind and No Rejoin/Reset.
The fastest teams will win, we just need to work together to create as realistic racing as we can given the current state of LFS.
- Yes, you need to go as fast *as realistically possible* every lap!
It is understood that LFS does lack a number of details that affect the possible realism including track temp, oil, grass/dirt, finalized damage, etc. Therefore you obviously don't need to account for these in how hard you push.
What I hope people understand is that lapping cars is part of racing, tenths / lap will be lost. It is entirely Unrealistic to make rules that cater to ensure that teams will be able to lap cars without any delay. It is up to all the drivers (especially late into races) to work together to minimize the amount of delay.
It is this "hotlapping mentality" where drivers expect to be 100% unimpeeded to turn 100% perfect laps.
- I think this is actually very rare in actuality, otherwise you would not be in a series with Wind and No Rejoin/Reset.
The fastest teams will win, we just need to work together to create as realistic racing as we can given the current state of LFS.
I like the intent, but hazzards and flashing lights are going to send me off the track fumbling around the keyboard. I've never used them, and the G25 doesn't have a plethora of easily accessible buttons.
I still think K.I.S.S.: Lapping car must present a passing manouver, lapped car must not defend.
I still think K.I.S.S.: Lapping car must present a passing manouver, lapped car must not defend.
I like this latest revision... fairly.
SAFER (steel and foam energy reduction) barriers could have done a lot to help reduce some of the forces going to the driver in that corner.
Thats a nasty hit in a nasty corner.
Thats a nasty hit in a nasty corner.
The 5+ lap down car does not need to be fighting the leader. That is one thing i was unaware of going on in the first race.
I'll quote myself as for my idea, but Please note my added addendum below:
* With the addendum: Once a car has been lapped twice (i.e. on the 3rd, 4th, lapping), the team looses the right to the hold position till first racing move and must yield at the first safe opportunity to do so.
Reasoning is that for 2 laps, a team is conceivably in the race. Lengthy pit stop, a crash, driver differences, etc could explain 2 laps difference. After 2 laps, you are attempting to gain maximum laps, and not fighting for podium positions.
* Overtaking Manouver/Position To Pass Definition. Lapping car within 2 car length and makes a move to inside towards a braking zone.
Ideally, common sense would negate the need for this kinds of rules; however, it is important to have almost all scenarios played out in the rules.
I'll quote myself as for my idea, but Please note my added addendum below:
* With the addendum: Once a car has been lapped twice (i.e. on the 3rd, 4th, lapping), the team looses the right to the hold position till first racing move and must yield at the first safe opportunity to do so.
Reasoning is that for 2 laps, a team is conceivably in the race. Lengthy pit stop, a crash, driver differences, etc could explain 2 laps difference. After 2 laps, you are attempting to gain maximum laps, and not fighting for podium positions.
* Overtaking Manouver/Position To Pass Definition. Lapping car within 2 car length and makes a move to inside towards a braking zone.
Ideally, common sense would negate the need for this kinds of rules; however, it is important to have almost all scenarios played out in the rules.
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Kudos and amen to this.
There are Plenty of series already out there with the "get outta my way n00b!" rules in play.
If you're fast enough to catch a back-marker repeatedly only to get stuck behind mid-corner, then you really ought to work on timing. If you can't cleanly time a pass (actually merely present a nose) on a car (slower than your own) then I don't see why they should roll over and play dead when it's obvious that you're the one in need of more racecraft.
Aussie Super Touring Car Driver Ashley Cooper Dies at age 27
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Sad news as always. 27, married two kids. Second V8 driver in a year.
RIP and thoughts and prayers to the family.
Sad news as always.
27, married two kids. Second V8 driver in a year. RIP and thoughts and prayers to the family.
Well, technically he's promising to Did Not Finish, leaving the dubious distinction of finishing last to guys still...
The lack of knowledge doesn't explicitly neccessitate a pentalty.
A pentalty could be usefull in the future to ensure a flipped car causes the same result every time.
I doubt being in 4 series at the same time is legitimate for not knowing what to do, but hopefully you'll keep the rubber on the road next round.
A pentalty could be usefull in the future to ensure a flipped car causes the same result every time.
I doubt being in 4 series at the same time is legitimate for not knowing what to do, but hopefully you'll keep the rubber on the road next round.
Marshalls missed when one of the cars flipped and immediately spectated.
Perhaps that team (and all others) needs to be warned against immediately spectating, perhaps have it in the rules?
As for the potential rules revisions:
Lapped Car must drive normal racing line/pace. No defensive manouvers. Must yield position to lapping car upon first overtaking manouver.
Lapping Car must present overtaking manouver to signal Lapped Car to yield.
Something along those line would make it appropriate for lapped cars to continue their own race, but yield when the lapping car is in position to pass.
Strong pentalties for contact or defensive manouvers against a lapping car.
That's my take on it, thoughts?
Lapped Car must drive normal racing line/pace. No defensive manouvers. Must yield position to lapping car upon first overtaking manouver.
Lapping Car must present overtaking manouver to signal Lapped Car to yield.
Something along those line would make it appropriate for lapped cars to continue their own race, but yield when the lapping car is in position to pass.
Strong pentalties for contact or defensive manouvers against a lapping car.
That's my take on it, thoughts?
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+1
Again, too much hotlap mentality around here.
If you are faster, make a move, and the car being lapped will yield the position. It's not rocket science.
99% of the time the car being lapped is just waiting for you to make some sort of move indicating you want to get by. If you're not close enough to make a move, why should they slow down/move off line?
I think this is very important. From what I could see, it seems like leaders getting frustrated that people racing were disrupting their hotlapping.
More often than not it was the cars getting lapped that were racing for position, rather than the lapping cars getting "stuck" racing for position behind a lapped car.
If you are faster, get a run, take the inside, the lapped driver will yield. I saw very clean predictable driving from most everyone out there yesterday. (disregard this for the attrocities under the SC). With the amount of talent and competitiveness across the entire IGTC field this year, you cannot expect people to pull over when you are half a straightaway behind.
I hope we can really look at the behavior under safety car, and nip the uncalled for stuff in the "Bud" for once and for all.
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Reason : Thanks DWB! :)
You were over a lap behind us when you kept trying to race me, and you weren't any noticably faster than myself. I don't understand what you could be complaining about.
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Drive with Some Sense under caution! Under Safety Car, why was there a spin in front of us, then to get ploughed into the back of = Unneccesary.
He apologizes. He was in a race for position, and could not find a good opportunity to let you by.
He also is turning faster laps than you.
Lap 73-72, incident under safety car at Sector 2-3 split. Cars spun ahead, driver behind SLAMMED into me, BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
10 Team flipped and disco'd, no SC?
18 team's having massive connection issues.
7 mins of Qualy left, best of luck today gents!
Where do we put that? Sorry for the N00b question
It's going to be IRL + Long Beach GP + Surfers Paradise.
IRL Cars, Races, the handful of CART Teams, +2 races.
IRL Cars, Races, the handful of CART Teams, +2 races.
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