Basically you mean it needs to have prolific events that attract people and get their attention for the sake of competition. That probably comes down to similar issues as discussed in the league attendance thread. It would be cool to get more out of the bubble for that to work and having LFS on GridFinder is a move in the right direction.

I wouldn’t per se say these events need to be organised by the developers as there are enough esport competitions untied to the game developers. You could make the argument that some of those organisations are even bigger then the developer team themselves.

Hello everyone,

recently cutting in simracing made the news again, when a big team purposefully used a track area that was deemed out-of-bounds in the qualifying session for a big 24 hour race in a different sim. Track limits and the enforcement of the rules are always an issue and there are pros and cons for and against punishing these infringements. At the end of the day it comes down to event organisers and server hosts to investigate the situations and to interact with the drivers on a case by case basis. If done consequently, it takes a fair amount of work to realise it. If no InSim program is created, running and in place that relieve some of the workload all tasks can only be done by manual reviews.

I had a quick idea of mine is to give hosts and organisers options of server side automatic penalties for cutting… probably suggested some time ago by someone else, but a quick and shallow search though the history returned no result in that direction. But unlike available steward circles as autocross objects that spectate the driver, small increments of time should be added to the time as penalty. One example of an implementation in racing games would be Gran Tourismo Sport or Gran Tourismo 7. While not without criticism it is an essential element to encourage fair and sportsmanlike racing in the online races.

Live for Speed has also automatic policing systems for false starts or pit speed and Live for Speed already has a similar system in place for autocross time trails. Whenever a movable object is hit, a time penalty of two seconds is added to the final classification for the driver.

• My idea therefore could be implemented by extending the functionality of the autocross penalties to qualifying and race sessions.
• Further options could include the adjustment of the time increment as, for example for races, 0.5 seconds might feel more suitable.
• Similarly it would be nice to have a circle object, that also triggers the time increment. It could be a way to avoid object ricochets triggering time penalties for uninvolved cars. Server settings could control if objects, circles, both or none trigger a time penalty.
• In case of manual checks, the option of removing, adding or amending penalties by increasing or decreasing the total penalty time
• Lastly it would be a good option if these time penalties can be served during pit stops, so the final results are not too influenced by these little time penalties.

I am looking forward to your input and ideas. Maybe it is something feasible and a good option to improve the race quality.

Rebranding is not really something worth it in my humble opinion. It would lead to further questions rather than anything else. Maybe something in the middle would be to add a word to the version number of major r leases like for smart phone operating systems… in the style of OS 17.5 Singing Kitten I ply currently fail to imagine a suitable example that would fit LFS

1000 Hz physics are in development and shall be released in a future version

EDIT: Link to the development thread https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/100464-Progress-on-Multithreading

Last edited by TFalke55, Sat, 4 Feb 2023 13:08.

Quote from joaopaulopt :

I believe this will change in the coming years when new updates come.
I've seen some positive feedback on reports of new updates, I'm trying my best to bring the Portuguese SimRacing community back to LiveForSpeed.

I believe when we have for example Day, Night and afternoon etc we will have very interesting races as there are other simulators such as 24 hour races etc..

I within the SimRacing communities that I'm trying to promote LiveForSpeed and all its updates and reports as much as possible and a lot of people are in awe.

hoping for changes is all well and good, but it is not a good basis to create league attendance. especially without a definitive date when the changes get implemented and released. Advertising in multi-game communites might be better, especially when the leagues are solid and provide good racing, some old-timers might return, even if it is just for one league race/event.

Quote from mbutcher :

I contacted GridFinder, and they've added LFS and a list of initial classes to choose from, as well as a section for LFS broadcasters to advertise themselves. I'll send them a more thorough class list soon because I only sent them a couple of the base-car classes:

Register your leagues at https://gridfinder.com/leagues?sim=lfs and they'll be advertised there too.

Make sure you still register your leagues on LFS' own leagues system!

Edit: There's also now a section for LFS broadcasters: https://gridfinder.com/broadcasters?&simulator=lfs

https://www.lfs.net/attachment/431962

that's great! especially to get some attention out of the bubble. even if it attracts just one person.

Last edited by TFalke55, Wed, 1 Feb 2023 08:22.

It really is a pity. A lot of great concepts around and good reliable organisations behind it, yet the decline in active drivers is more hurtful then ever… the smaller user base compared to a couple of years ago probably further thins out the air for concepts to the left or right of mainstream ideas

It still is a bit difficult to put wear and temperature on the same axis, as it implies a 1-to-1 causality. Yes the contact patch changes, but other outside effects also have an impact on temperature but not as much on tyre wear. There is a (strong) correlation for sure, but mixing correlated effects, is not always the best approach for a good model.

Those would improve lots of layouts!

good experiences with both, OBS and Windows own recorder in the XBox Game Bar (Windows key + G)

I think it is rather uncommon for trading and selling to happen here. Quite frankly I only know Rule 2.6 forbids trading LFS licenses as generally selling LFS licenses is prohibited.

it is ready when it is ready. I don't think there should be more hype surounding some holiday, when it already has been comunicated there won't be a release this year. Furthermore it has never been the norm in LFS to my knowledge to release something in a rough state.

Ok. Can you answer the W-questions so everyone knows what the Unique Raceday League is?

• (Who?)
  
• When?
  
• What?
  
• Where?
  
• Why?
  
• (How?)
  

Quote from w126 :

You may use XInputPlus software to get separate throttle and brake. It also has FF emulation, but it's probably just FF force translated into vibration intensity, so it will be different from vibration effects created by some other driving games (on gear changes, wheel slip etc.). Another useful feature is that it allows to set a deadzone for a stick used for steering.

That program is a game changer! Just tested it out, far superior to what Windows provides by default. Thanks for that!

Happy birthday!!!

Hello everyone,

I've been queit and quite unreliable in the past, but recently even more so. As many things changed in my private life, I cannot foresee any time soon where I find enough time regularly to organise an endurance series. Still I'd love to see OEC in particular to continue one way or the other. If you are interested to continue the series, please contact me

I hope to be more active once again in a few months, maybe even with (way smaller) league projects or just some league commitment.

Best regards

Last edited by TFalke55, Sun, 5 Jun 2022 18:16. Reason : Completing incomplete sentences

In addition to what we have discussed here, an inclusion of the qualifying results in the online statistics in form of result pages would be a great and beneficial feature. Similarly autocross time-trails neither appear on LFSWorld.

Alternatively a native csv-export of the results from the replay could do the same or at least a similar trick. I know there are many third party solutions like champstat, LFSstats or mpRes, so it is a nice-to-have feature. However they may or may not be able to produce results for sessions LFS can show results for, I.e. multi-lap time trails (started from the autocross starting position) produce accurate results in LFS but such tools may have problems to interpret the mpr files correctly. Taking screenshots is a pragmatic solution but getting the text information out of the images is tedious to be frank.

EDIT:

Quote from Gutholz :

Maybe it would be better to have the results in two or three columns? That would allow for 80 or 120 entries without need for extra buttons. I think it is better to have GUI that does not need rarely used extra buttons and would allow to show all results at once.

Qualifying modes are perfect use-case for insim or human admins, imo. Especially with how many possible variants and special rules there are.

I tend to agree, qualifying modes are definitely up to organisers to monitor and enforce. The more complex the modes the more work has to be done on their end. Here the thread and suggestion is concerning the raw result production by LFS. The Limitation to 40 result entries in all sessions is problematic when there can naturally be more then 40 racers competing in a session. Considering the current connection limit of 47 community members and having a long session it can simply occur more then 40 times are set, yet without third party solutions it will never appear in LFS it happened as the times are dropped out of the list due to the overflow.

Last edited by TFalke55, Tue, 5 Apr 2022 09:57.

I think as a separate option that helps for sure!

Quote from Latvian Video :

I would love a way to remind me of the events I sign up for so I don't miss them, a email could work. Like 10min before the event starts, it sends a email to the email address linked to your account.

Yeah! Maybe additionally an in-game chat message or a „pop-up“ button as additional reminder… At work Outlook and/or WebEx remind me of upcoming meetings/video conferences 15 minutes and 5 minutes before the start, as well as on time. I feel like it greatly helps to have the pop-up, the sound effect the pop-up is playing and that I have to manually close the pop-up to be punctual on time in the meeting/video conference.

Hey! I just tested champstat on (Autocross) Multi-Lap Time Trails. Sadly it detects those as "qualifying" rather then "race" session. It also only shows the fastest lap time rather then the complete finishing time.
I did the test at FE1 using a Mod (SWIRL SPORT 06~020).
Is there any way to prevent this or can I do anything?

Results html:

I briefly looked into the answers. Ca. 20% of the participants mentioned Prototypes. It is the most mentioned category among the free text answers. 4 answers stated their wish for single seater endurance. Additionally many want modded GT cars in the style of GT2/3/E… I’d interpret it that people want to have modded GT cars either alongside the “vanilla” GTRs or to represent the real life categories.

EDIT: I added a diagram in the opening post. Feel free to disagree with me the raw results from the survey are attatched in the opening post!

Last edited by TFalke55, Fri, 1 Apr 2022 12:36.

Quite a while ago, I started to ask around what people were expecting from an endurance racing series in Live for Speed in 2022. After all, organisers can plan in their ivory tower and not meet the interests and demands of the user base rather easy. So I thought to share the results with you.

First of all a big thank you to the 92 participants who answered my questions! 91% were already S3 licensed, so the overwhelming majority already upgraded.


A typical (desired) race distance are six hour races or four hour races with more then half of the participants clicking those options respectively. Noticeable spikes appear at 8 hours and 12 hours, representing pretty much the representing typical race distances in real life endurance events.


The participants spread across many timezones, and this is very visible in the data. The most popular time slot seems to be in the UTC afternoon on Saturday with roughly 40% availability, only slightly worse the afternoon on Sunday with 33%. 25% state they would compete in a race Saturday or Sunday evening. Those slots often prove to be difficult to fill efficiently as real life events (racing and otherwise) also take place there but it seems also to be the slot with the most potential.



79% of the participants consider Grand Touring cars such as the FXO GTR, FZ 50 GTR or XR GTR as the most interesting category within the standard LFS cars, however the question showed to not question all ideas. Many individual answers were given. I probably review this question in particular and give more insights at a later date.

EDIT: The results from the free text show intested into modded GT cars as well as Sportscar prototypes such as LMP cars.


54% think a two-class structure should be in place for endurance racing, with the single-class races only gathering 15% of the votes. The remaining participants wish to have three classes.


Nearly 19 of 20 racers believe that the new modding system complements the standard content of Live for Speed and therefore is a viable option to create car classes in endurance races.

For the balance of performance, the majority wants to have predictable and stable BOP regulations throughout the season. Only 12% wish to drive with the pure cars even if it creates an imbalance between the cars in the series or the race.


A majority is also in favour of a strict car choice regulation, as teams shall loose all their points scored throughout the season after changing to a different car.



At the end of the day, this is a rather naive survey, but I hope it still offers some insights to you all out there. Let's hope we can put this data to good use and some thrilling and intense endurance races await.


You can find the raw answers attatched to this post if you want to check my conclusions or derive your own insights from the survay!

Last edited by TFalke55, Fri, 1 Apr 2022 12:34. Reason : Additional diagram for the free text answers.

Quote from Scawen :

That's an interesting point. I suggested to Victor during our chat, to make sure you can see who has signed up to an event/round.
Would it be sufficient, to be able to see that list of entrants on the round's web page that is now planned?

[…]

About host password sharing, we were thinking that it could be automatically passed to the in-game calendar, to people who have entered, so the "join" button automatically fills in the password when sending you to the "join specific host" screen.

[…]

Please do say if you have any more suggestions!

I think it would improve the visibility to have the info their on the page already.

The password sharing would greatly help organisers as it can streamline the spread of information! It basically acts as a “white listing” for approved entrants, pretty much exactly how it should be, from my point of view.

Two things I forgot to mention earlier: it often is problematic that organisers know very late if people are competing or not, so as organiser you might not know what to expect on race day. In CityLiga, in NDR and in many other series there are therefore confirmation systems: if real life or other commitments prevent you from competing on race day, you state your absence. Handling that via the website rather then via forum posts, maybe with an additional reminder to confirm or unconfirm x hours/days before the start for a round, may streamline the process on the competitors’ side.

Secondly there is currently no way to schedule time-trails in the calendar like rallies, slaloms etc., that use the autocross starting point. Currently you can let a session be a race, a practice or a qualifying. It frankly is a niche yet it would be good to reflect such competitions on the calendar. Similarly “drifting” cannot be entered, maybe a “other” option might help to catch the “non-racing” competitions on the calendar.

Quote from Victor :

Using the league feature as an organiser
We were wondering if this is too complex? Many people do use the season and rounds feature so I think that's understood.

The feature is good, however it has little benefit compared to sign-ups via thread posts or via Google Forms documents. It furthermore takes away a bit of publicity from the sign-up process compared to especially the post-based sign-ups: while every new entrant generates a new post and thereby increases the activity in that subsection the league sections’ sign-up form is a “silent” solution and may not be as “attention grabbing”.

A while back I also had a few suggestions to the system, I feel as they could still be beneficial:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/1957779#post1957779
I have the feeling the planned changes go into a similar direction.

I also agree with local time but I’d additionally suggest a days/hours/minutes left Info to make it even more obvious. I recall many individual community members who fail to join in time as they remember times wrongly or similar.

I suggested it a while ago... https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/94081

EDIT: maybe we two are the only ones who care, seeing it's been us two in that other thread too