Quote from N I K I :

I think the main point is still not realized.

TBO's aren't used because we are sick of getting beaten by LRF's.
You still can say bla, bla it's different class, but overall win is what counts.

Your right I see this all the time! It's too bad really. There will be an almost full server of people racing GT2's and there will always be one person who goes GT1.
Where is the fun of racing by yourself on a server full of people?
I would rather race mid pack and have a blast than win and not have anyone challege me at all. BORING!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe its an age thing?

Getting bored with the game I mean. I don't play LFS for the graphics or eye candy to begin with, I have an old Dell 4600. The game for me is all about who your playing with Online. This is where LFS shines. Everyone has the same tracks and cars, everyone can compete with each other no matter how rich or poor they are. And if someone has a bad connection they dissapear. So what, its a game, SORRY "SIM!!!!!!" Forgot myself for a minute there

Anyway I have only played for a little over a year and I am already sick of this topic. I think I've heard it a few times already.

I don't think you should even be able to rejoin the server if you disco. It lags people that are racing and that stutter when someone leaves the pits is bad sometimes.
Also if they get to rejoin and then their laps are reset to zero they could start helping their teammates by blocking others. Because there really is no blue flag in Nascar, They can slow up another car until their teammate catches up.

I don't care what the pole says Lizard , you are running the league. If you think a disco is a DNF it is!!!

Its the only way to go

Quote from TomShanK :

Life made easy, thank you morpha!!

if that can't be done...its just a simple quickchat away

if you have time to curse out an opponet, i'm sure time to talk to the tower wouldn't be a problem

(Todd, just using you as an example :-P )

Well done with constructive criticism

I'm a sensitive soul and I could see how it would look like my driving was crap if they were following under caution. But trust me when I say it was all reactions to others.
I spent many a minute under caution bitching to my teammates on Ventrillo about FUC*ing people driving like twats!!!

It shouldn't take more concentration to drive under caution than it does to race.

Quote from TomShanK :

Okay, first off: The admininstration did a great job with what they were given this week. Chat was a bare minimum but obviously there were some flaws. I will deal with that. Wrecking under cautions was also interesting, and I have a solution for that, and my final solution considers restarts.

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Restarts
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Okay, on restarts:
I have 2 suggestions, one of which I went over with Astra. Everyone seems to speed up as they come to the green, about ten miles per hour over the speed limit. It doesn't matter how many warnings people are given, it's still going to happen. What if we keep the safety car out on the track, and the green flag is signaled by the spectation of the safety car. He spectates (IE: just before the line), and the leader knows to accelerate because the safety car is gone. All people in line will notice "Safetycar has joined the spectators" and know to accelerate.

2. No matter what path is taken in the before situation, something needs to be done about the passing. Both weeks people have been penalized for passing. Ken was penalized for passing because he took advantage of a situation and backed off, letting the cars in front get ahead. He then made sure he was accelerated before the green dropped in an effort to pass the cars as soon as possible. This is a strategy outlawed in NASCAR, but is not defined in the rules. He was penalized for passing before the s/f line. This week Niki and I passed before the s/f line due to the fact that the vehicles in front of us were so slow that if we had attempted to stop it would have resulted in a huge pileup that would have made more work for the admins, more work for the safety cars, more laps added onto the race, and long story short: more work. I believe that the law should be in effect that restarts are free game to an extent. You can pass when the green is thrown, but if you are caught laying back to an extent (determined by admins) then you are going to be penalized. This allows people who have spent time on their gears to prevail, it also allows faster cars to get by lapped vehicles. Most importantly if the leader accidentally shifts to fifth gear, everybody doesn't lock up into 5 o' clock traffic and rear end him.

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Chatting

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Long live no chatting. It was hard for me to do at times, but even I, a super-chatter enjoyed a race with no chat. However here is something I would like to try, and personally I think it would be a great idea. We had three admins last race. A safety car (2?) and Race Control (Also 2?). Some people have questions regarding the incident and what started it etc. SOme people wish to know what lap the leader is on (IE: if they're a lap down). There is some general information, as well as different questions, perhaps a small debate that might need to be handled. If there is something that is totally relevant and not stupid, you should be able to ask/tell an admin. (IE: toddshooter is driving eradically under cautions). However, something like (IE: OMG TODDSHOOTER IS A NOOB WTF HE JUST WRECKED ME!!!!!) would be considered biased spam and you may be asked to clarify and/or get a penalty for spamming the admin. The idea is still to get a no-chat atmosphere. To talk to the admin you would do this

N. Đaković: #42 to tower, requesting permission to (ask a question/correct an error) regarding (situation)
Race Marshall: Permission Granted N. Đaković, you may speak.
N. Đaković: Thank you Race Marshall, what is the cause of the last caution?
Race Marshall: The driver of the #29 merged into a lane that was already occupied resulting in a racing incident involving the #28 as well.
N. Đaković: Thank you Race Marshall.

I like your suggestions!

Just a couple of points/questions......How the hell do you propose to type all that and control your car at the same time?
And Toddshooter only drives erraticly under caution when others infront of him or behind him do...ie to avoid getting taken out

Quote from teedot :

I honestly think that you guys should implement a cutoff time for qualifying. This would ensure that the drivers who are going to be IN the race are safe and able to control their vehicle. At least for the road course races...

Bad idea for us people that aren't really fast but are clean, and safe. I am not a really fast driver but I know how to save my tires and put in consistent times, so I can finish near the front if I don't get taken out by idiots!

If you are nice and clean as you say, you should try Dead men racing on Sundays. They race Race_s sets only and do team racing. They are clean and fun .
They also have good strict rules against dicks and kick them quickly

I had an alright race except for all the freakin crap driving while under caution.
Was passed more than once and crashed more than once under caution. Then to add insult to injury I calmly informed the Admins in the proper way, under caution, and was told not to chat!! It was the only thing I said the whole race and it was perfectly legitimate.

Quote :

The field is frozen the moment the caution quick chat is displayed on the screen. If you are racing side by side with another driver and unable to determine who was ahead of who just give the inside guy the position and inquire a check to the admins calmly. DO NOT FORCE ANY POSITION

I think the whole race needs a good look at, and some of the drivers need to be asked not to return for the next race. To be perfectly honest they need more experience racing in a crowd.

Congrats to the winners and anyone who actually made it through all the mayhem.

I think the SO track should be left in. SO is great fun even if you do crash

Just don't crash!!

The problem with not being timed races is. We run into the problem of last Sunday 3+ hours racing... I don't know about anyone else but it was lucky that I didn't have to leave half way through.
I have a wife and two kids 3+ hours racing all at once dosen't happen very often. The only reason I pulled it off last week was they were gone for the whole day. Even a 1 1/2hr race would be better. As long as we know when it will end we can schedule for it.

Just my 2 pennies

Quote from scania :

but time race is harder to count the fuel....

Fuel dosen't matter to lap times that much anyway! Take extra!
At the oval I was running full 80% fuel from the start and my lap times were comparible to the top ten.

+1 for 1 hour race

Quote from racer hero :

Actually no, I have my 3rd and 4th gear setup for the restart. It accelerates perfectly. How dare you ever say I would use a speed hack...Are you kidding me..?

Of course I was kidding about the speed hack!

But you were going by us when the green flag went out like we were standing still. And thats everybody so I don't think we were all super slow like you seem to think. And I don't think you could have passed that many people like that if we all started to accelerate at the same time.

Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so. I also wasn't the only one to notice it.

Toddshooter
[HR]T.Shooter09
[HR]Racing
#09

North American League

Quote from lizardfolk :

I didn't include that as an exception. That would have caused too much chaos at the restarts with everyone trying to pass on the outside.

You might not get a penalty, because i believe you were a lapped down when you passed a lead lap car before the line and since it was suppose to be double file restarts that doesn't count. (You didn't gain any position)

OKeefe passed more than once on the restart. And there is no way he was adhering to the 80m/hr speed limit to wizz by us that fast on the restart. Unless he was using a speed hack to accelerate!!

Wooo Hooo!!! I love a little kicking and banning

Quote from lizardfolk :

I believe that was mutt you are referring to and no he did not go back on the track because he wasnt allowed to. No SR member finished the race

OK Sorry I must have missed that. My Bad
But I wasn't wanting to report him I want to report another. I don't think Mutt broke any rules other than that one...which he didn't.
I would prefer not to name names here. But I will if you want me too.
Just let me know how to formally complain and I will.
Thanks Toddshooter

Where do we lodge formal complaints against other drivers?

I have a specific person in mind who totally disregarded the rules more than once.
Also the Admins couldn't see my question about my placing under one caution because of all the FU^%ING chat
This will be a really great series if the Admins actually Admin!!!!
An [SR] car was actually let back in the race after he discoed this is clearly against the rules.

This was not a team night on your own server where you can do as you wish. This was a league race where the standards should be high and the rules followed!!
No favorites and no friendships.


As a person who deals with children on an ongoing basis I will tell you.....don't make empty threats!! If you tell them the next person who does something is going to be kicked....KICK THEM!!!!!
They won't do it again.
In between all the bullshit was a great race Hopefully the next one will rock in every way!!

See ya all next time.

Last edited by Toddshooter, Mon 9 Jun 2008, 01:22.

^^^ What he said

Any discussion happening about the earlier questions concerning a North American section/division?

Quote from SpikeyMarcoD :

You are THAT good mate... you are a KEEPER

I'm definitely a legend in my own mind

We aren't so far behind anymore

My Stats were missing from LFS world that was the reason for the sudden drop.
Maybe we'll run into each other this weekend on the track!!!!!!

Excellent!

Thanks Alot

To me this sounds like cheating. You aren't fast enough to win the race fairly so you fabricate a way to beat the faster driver....BULLSHIT in my opinion.

If we are aloud to do this I might actually have a chance to win....but I couldn't stomach using this method!!!!

Quote from Dajmin :

Freespace 2 - finest space sim ev4R!!11

Any particular mod? There seems to be a few are they all the same or are some better than others?

Quote from SpikeyMarcoD :

He dont speek canadiaan mate (spelling wrong on purpose!)

It's HOSER to you EH!!!!!!