Quote from 5haz :

Its just an experience day, the majority of those who go on these days don't really know much about racing or drifting, its just for fun and I'm sure it is.

Plus clutch kicking is not very relevant in racing, whereas throttle control is.

Ahh I got you, so it's one of those things you can buy in Tescos? Gotcha... not really a training day, more a throw it about and have fun.

Quote from Tomba(FIN) :

How old pic?

Umm a year or so... why?

Quote from Scrabby :

Will you please understand this?!

Is the purpose of my questions, chill out young man, you're going to have blood pressure issues.

Quote from Scrabby :

It wasn't their plan to really teach them how to drift like the JAP guys. It was their intention to learn car control and a bit of AutoX with the cones 'n stuff. The Caterham is an expensive car and they won't let an inexperienced driver destroy it in 5 mins. Just stop nagging about drifting techniques. Jesus for the love of God!

Drifting is drifting, doesn't matter if it's like the Japanese or not. Their website clearly states it is a drift experience which will, in their own words "Ultimately there will be 4 courses with the last giving you the opportunity to show off your new drifting abilities at a higher speed and through multiple corners."

So it would be likely that the second "course" will teach clutch kicking and hand brake methods.

I'm not nagging, i'm simply curious of Jack's experience and wondering what they are teaching that is drift related. I drifted in competitions in England for 3 years when the scene was just starting to take off, so i'm wondering what they are teaching 5 years later. If my line of questioning frustrates you, simply turn a blind eye.

Quote from Jakg :

If they weren't going to let me clutch kick, they aren't going to want me to break their handbrake cable either.

All they said was to use weight transfer (braking) to get it into a slide and then jab the throttle to hold it - I preferred to use the roll of the car to initiate and then just peg it open to hold it sideways so I could link up longer turns.

Ouch, so two of the three most common methods of a beginner initiating a drift, they didn't teach

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D ... niques_for_inducing_drift

Had they setup some big camber and pushed the castor right up?

Quote from Jakg :

They claimed they were using a competition clutch - either way I can imagine Mr. Lotus driver would of managed to burn the clutch up and after a day of being kicked (and I mean a full 8:30 - 4:30 day) non-stop it'd be pretty toasty.

From the condition of the tyres i'd say the car was good for another day - whereas i'm not sure a clutch would last that long with a novice.

What were they teaching for initiation? Hand brake or manji?

Quote from tristancliffe :

No it isn't. It's not Jacks' car, why should they let him knacker a clutch? It makes perfect sense to teach how to drift without needing to jolt the tyres loose when they've got to pay for the clutches.

Increasing tyre pressures, using low grip tyres (part worns) and correctly teaching how to use the clutch can give a clutch a surprisingly long life. I had a team mate do two years of competition and his clutch ran fine throughout and was in surprising good shape when he decided to swap it for a higher rated one.

Trying to teach someone to drift without showing them how to clutch kick is like trying to teach someone to race without letting them use the brakes. It's a core technique for not only initiation, but for mid corner control. But then this school is using Caterhams, so it's not exactly making life easy.

Maybe they introduce this technique later in their training so that someone has a bit more control and understanding of the car.

Quote from Jakg :

I wasn't allowed to use the clutch (or at least not to kick it)


They were encouraging people to jab the throttle rather than plant it as a lot of people were spinning, but when I did it seemed much easier to link stuff up.

So the most commonly used technique in drifting they told you not to do! That's a bit nuts

Silverstone drift practice, brings back memories..

http://video.google.com/videop ... bSo-CK6jWqAPEtZ35CQ&q

You had a good run there Jack for a first timer. Sounded like you needed to be jabbing that clutch a LOT more to get her sideways.

Quote from Mustafur :

they obviously know next year is a lost cause but it will be a learning experience none the less.

I disagree, the people involved in the Lotus team won't be going into their first season thinking it will be for learning purposes. Imagine going to your investors and saying... "don't expect anything from us from the first year, we'll still be developing the car..." That sort of attitude would've never let Brawn get on the grid in the first place.

Quote from Becky Rose :

My point was that if they want to be competitive they're a long way behind already, they've no run time experience with the car at all if they're still at the early mock up stages. You don't get anywhere in F1 with an unreliable car, these new teams need to have rigs out there clocking up laps and their engineers learning already - perfecting the aero package later.

I think you are reading a LOT into the fact that these pictures have just surfaced. It seems there are a few investors involved and the money required to run an F1 team is significant. Therefore those who are providing the money will be diligent enough to ensure Lotus are doing at least the obvious to be competitive.

http://www.daftdonkey.com/gall ... 770&g2_serialNumber=2

My beloved Evo

Welcome to the world of online racing where some people will bump you in fairness, some will bump quite badly and against all good fair play, and some people will simply grind you into the barrier...

Bumpiness varies from server to server, get used to some contact and if it gets messy, a new race is usually only a few laps away...

Quote from bunder9999 :

would be nice if they saved to jpeg instead of bitmap too, but meh.

taking screen shots requires speed to avoid any delay whilst the game is running, dumping to a BMP only requires a dump of the image in memory, a JPEG would require compression of this image and therefore take longer.

Quote from logitekg25 :

Don't lower the tone now!

I'm up for some NA action, but I usually race in the day during my lunch. At night I have a son to put to bed then a wife to entertain in the evening.

Quote from topslop1 :

Shame on you sir for not asking more out of your internet connection. I can feel the difference between 20 and 60 ping on most online games in a heartbeat. I think a racing game is a little more lenient on latency interpretation than a first person shooter, but still, it's noticeable.

I can be on a server with someone with a latency of 200+ ms and no matter how good mine is, they dictate the average response. So i'm more than happy with my races from the US...

Actually, there is a server i've been wanting to run, so maybe your comments might drive me to run my own US server....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/h ... t/formula_one/8278330.stm

Ferrari simulator eh? Rekon they use LFS? Ahh no, that would be BMW right?

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/he ... detail/080819175025.shtml

It's built by these guys...

http://www.moog.com/markets/au ... riving-simulator-testing/

Anyone who takes that guy seriously are in need of humor surgery. He's funny

I've been racing LFS from around the globe since they released the game. The past 3 years i've raced from the West coast on a Comcast line and never had a single problem with any euro servers.

And moaning about $20 for the best online racing game ever invented? Bah, shame on you.

Quote from JeffR :

One advantage of Premiere is that it can combine multiple videos into a single video, but maybe Vegas can also do this. For example:

http://rcgldr.net/ir/irssrad.wmv

Yip Vegas has no problems with this, it can also copy entire segments of several tracks and move without issue. Premier, last time I used it, was a horrible mess.

Quote from NitroNitrous :

Yeager, what do you mean with accessible? Easy to get or easy to use?

Very easy to use.

Sony Vegas is by far the most accessible software out there.

Quote from aroX123 :

i dont know

I agree

Are you kidding? Bug reports from screenshots of an unfinished game where you are unable to actually run the code and have no idea at what stage of development the current code is at?

Quote from JackDaMaster :

FYI, theracingline.net says there are 12 layouts.

http://www.theracingline.net/r ... /UnitedKingdom/index.html

Find Rockingham in there (you cant link to the track for whatever reason).

Voila

http://www.theracingline.net/r ... gland/RockinghamOval.html