After reading Ian's posts in this thread, I realised that this looks exactly like RACISM (spelling?) but with drifters...I bet Ian also hates oval racers and Drag racers....
People like you, my dear friend, make the whole RACING community look like a bunch of selfish, narrowminded, speed fanatics, who never listen to other people's opinions...(I know it's not like that - I happen to know a few racers here - great people) furthermore - YOU look JUST LIKE those kids who start threads like this, and watch FnF...only you also believe that being a racer (a majority on this forum) makes you far more superior compared to others...
no ofence people - carry on fighting over a hillclimb course that will be (if will be added) used for racing, and for drifting while in Reversed...you know that...you just cant accept that Drifters WILL use it for drifting...and Drifters KNOW AND ACCEPT that racers will use it for racing
there...I said what I feel like, and on that note - Im out of here...
Ian's an intelligent guy and has done some good things for this community and others, I'm a bit surprised that he's allowed himself to become provoked to this point quite frankly. Maybe he's having a bad week or something? We all have our moments.
With your mastery of the English language Ian, you are quite capable of putting someone in their place without losing your temper or resorting to obsceneties.
This is a public forum though Ian, you can't let yourself get wound-up like that here. You know the culture of the Internet well enough to handle the situation better than you did. Please just take a break from here for a little while and don't let it get to you. As you know, the Internet can be a frustrating place.
LFS definatly needs a mountain based course. Something like Akagi Mountain or something. They do rally based hill climb's up there, so why not on LFS? I've made a layout on FE RallyX Green rev, which uses the undulations of the road chicane to create a small touge time trial+drift course. But to have an actual mountain in the game would be awesome. And i'd doubt you'd have to pay for licenses to put a mountain course in?
I personally enjoy both drifting and racing, I can get just as much of a kick out of one as I can of the other. I say bring on the mountain courses, racing/drifting is so much more interesting when gravity is playing a more 'intense' role.
Some drifters in this community are very very fast racers actually. Any person who practices and understands either will usually improve and has every chance of being very successful. I wonder why you find that so hard to comprehend.
Great car control and knowledge of car behavior are essential for both professions that you mentioned. It may take a while, but both situations can happen because they both come from general knowledge of car control.
I know I'm only new but yeah yeah, i really think it isnt about being a "poser" or anything of such like that. Drifting takes alot of car control and grip racing is ALOT easier. I'm not another drift fanboy but i do enjoy watching it and doing it on LFS, this being, its a racing simulator, what about all the people that have "demo derby's" and so forth? I think atleast ONE orientated drift track would be nice!
Nothing against by the way bud, just thought id say that and your post was the one i could demonstrate off.
I find this pretty interesting, and I disagree with you. Drifting teaches the basics of car control on the limit and that's what's important. It's easier to teach someone a good line than it is to teach car control. I'm not sure if anyone here watched the Forza Motorsport Challenge that was on last week but there were 6 drivers pitted head to head in a 10 lap race. The drifter came in 2nd out of the 6. He was driving a stock 350Z and the winner was driving a C6 Corvette (Z06 even, I think). Obviously he must have some skill because he damn near beat a car with twice as much power and a driver with more experience racing.
Rally drivers slide sideways around nearly every corner, yet they're trying to run the fastest time and beat the competition. So, while drifting can be about looking good and having fun it can also be a useful skill in real world racing.
I'm primarily a racer. I think drifting can be a fun diversion, but when I log on to LFS I do so to race. That said, I think a mountain course would be the best addition to LFS as far as tracks go. It would give the drifters a place to ply their trade and yet would still be fun for racing (hill climbs, one on one races, etc). IMO, the most fun races are not the ones that are 20 laps around a circuit, but the ones that are down a long and winding road. The original Need for Speed (before it became all about spinnerz and body kits) had several tracks that were point to point. One went through a city down wide freeways, one went up a mountain side, one went down the coast, etc. I had more fun with that game than any other racing game except LFS because the tracks were such a joy. I'd like to see that same fun put into this great simulator for racers AND drifters.
Limit of what? Jeremy Clarkson can "drift", he's a TV presenter.. albeit a funny one
Knowing the line and being fast around that line are 2 very different things
Big difference.. rally drivers are trying to go fast on almost suicidal tracks in some cases.. they also used to drift back in the 60s.. neither are for posing / show and both served a real purpose.. "drifting" today has normal sized tracks possibly 3-4 car widths in size.. much much much easier
Something I'll agree to disagree on. I didn't play any of the NFS series (before or after is was all about nawz on Civics), but used to love Test Drive 2 back in my Amiga days, but the best racing IMO is door handle to door handle.. I personally couldn't care less if I win or lose.. but if I can run almost parallel with another driver or fight infront of / behind for my position for 50 laps, then it's an absolute great experience.
I'll take your word for it.. I don't view flash movies and block anything flash related