Quote from stuchlo :

Have tested realistic movable 1930s pop-up side indicators and it is perfect! The only trouble I had was that I had to pay attention to local axes (a part of the object was blinking when the opposite indicator was on, which was easily fixed), but that is a feature, not a bug

From D59 it should be now be easy, and you can put the rotation axis where you want it. As the object's offset is added when deciding if points are on the left or right, for indicators.

Quote from OpenClutch :

Hey Scawen, I know you have been insanely busy with these last few patches, and I know that the stable branch release is this weekend, is there any chance that we can get (back) stretched tire support?

I plan to do this today. It was most important to get the editor changes done first as they required more testing.

Dear Racers,

We plan to release a new official version this weekend, probably on Sunday.

There's a lot in it, including many improvements for mods. In the new year I will be focussing on the new graphics and physics version, but that is not what this patch is about.

Please test the LFS version now if you can.
LFS Test Patch: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106005

If you are a mod creator, please test the new editor patch.
LFS Editor Test Patch: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004

You'll see the list of changes is really long. Have a look through the changes if you can!

Or just get the patch and do what you normally do, let us know if there are any problems.

Thanks!

Editor D59

Vehicle editor:

Selected suspension point can (again) be adjusted in SHIFT+L view
Subobject indicators left / right now relative to whole vehicle
FIX: Passengers were not updated when selecting a different setup

Modeller:

New flood select function to select all triangles by point sharing
- different from CTRL+SHIFT+LMB (select related triangles by edge)
- ALT+RMB selects all connected triangles regardless of properties
- triangles are considered connected if they share a single point
FIX: Keep merged subobject feature was controlled by wrong option

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004

Can the spinning subobject be modified to when the user stops the function, the spinning continues to the original place. Or maybe an editor option (continue spinning to origin yes or no)

Now that we can test the car lights live in the editor, could the dashboard be in sync with those switches just like light mappings? Right now all dashboard lights are on by default.

Editor 0.7D58:


thank you for this nice update hope you can sleep now haha

Moving subobjects controlled by boolean switches is now available in Editor and LFS 0.7D58.

LFS: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106005
Editor: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004

Editor 0.7D58:

Moving subobjects:

Popup headlight system generalised for moving objects with switches
Subobjects can rotate a set angle, slide or spin at a given speed
This can be connected to switched lights / ignition / horn / siren
New test system in vehicle editor "Class / Inputs" tab (top left)

Download: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004

So far, the way to have open roof with proper interior sound (like with windows open) is to name the config "OPEN ROOF" (capital doesn't seem matter). Would be nice in the editor to have something like a toggle next to config name to switch between "Open" & "Closed" sounds.

Or is there any other way to have proper open roof sound?

For now they are purely graphical, but it does seem to suggest interesting possibilities for the future.

I'll be a few more hours, the changes are merged into the public version and it's fairly well tested, but I need to update the test facility in the vehicle editor or it will be too frustrating to use.

Let's make that this afternoon. I still need to:

- make spinners carry on and stop in the default position
- update vehicle editor to allow testing by switches
- merge code into old LFS
- more testing

Today I have coded part of the more flexible moving objects system.

You can select object type:
"Rotator : rotates on a specified axis",
"Slider : slides along a specified axis",
"Spinner : spins on a specified axis",

And connect to:
"Lights : low or high beam",
"Ignition : ignition switch",
"Rear fog : rear fog light",
"Front fog : front fog light",
"Left ind : left indicator",
"Right ind : right indicator",
"Extra : extra light",
"Horn : horn button",
"Siren : activate with siren",

I think that's as far as I can go, there isn't time this week to code other options such as connecting with other rotating parts or controller axes. For 0.7E it will only be these these boolean switches, sort of like the headlight, but now you can connect to these 9 things and these 3 different motion types.

I hoped to release it this evening but it's taken so long, and I still have to merge all the changes from the development version into the public version. That might only take a couple of hours but I'll have to do it in the morning. This evening I still have to finish the editor side of it.

I really liked the ability to move nodes in editor when I had the suspension tab (Shift + L) open, it was a lot easier to dial in the caster and inclination quickly.

Also I am finding that for some specific offroad vehicles I want to be able to set the spring rate lower than the game allows, is it possible to change the lower limit for that?

Quote from OpenClutch :

I think I found a bug between the editor and game version, when using a skin to paint on the hvac on my mod, I have it set for full flip, so the texture should not flip when going between driving sides.

In the editor, it seems to transition sides correctly, in the game the texture flips.

Gold handle is game (incorrect) red handle is editor (correct)

OK, as Flame says, there was a change.

I have two questions, please let me know the answers.

1) Are you sure it's different between game and editor, if you use the latest game and editor? This was changed yesterday, and should be consistent (even if "wrong") if you use editor and game D56 or later.

2) Assuming that you install the editor and game D56 or later, and find they are consistent but wrong, can you try renaming your mapping starting "U_" e.g. "U_name". This special prefix should avoid the flip, the only problem is you can't have it as a user custom colour in that case (as they start M1_ and C1_ etc. Is that a problem in your case?

I think I found a bug between the editor and game version, when using a skin to paint on the hvac on my mod, I have it set for full flip, so the texture should not flip when going between driving sides.

In the editor, it seems to transition sides correctly, in the game the texture flips.

Gold handle is game (incorrect) red handle is editor (correct)

Quote from Flame CZE :

Here are a few examples of what's possible now but doesn't make sense to be tied to headlights:

I have one radical idea too ;p



But editor don't allow to use less that 1 degree angle so it's kinda hard to make AirRide animation look good.

Man, I was browsing the mod list and I seen a 1020hp electric vehicle, and I was like "how can I do this? I'm still limited to 671hp." Is there an editor update I'm missing or something? Let me know!

Quote from Slashpca :

I wasn't sure where to post this, but maybe it could be a fix for both pop ups and rotating objs? I have layered alpha glass pop ups on my EMPERORS SUNRISE mod that seem to work fine, but I created a swing out windscreen for my FLATTY MODEL 8, and it works as intended besides this strange bug with the windscreen alpha. Same alpha I had before I broke it off as a pop up light subob.

I reported it in the Editor test patch thread and Scawen is aware of it: https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2068959#post2068959

I wasn't sure where to post this, but maybe it could be a fix for both pop ups and rotating objs? I have layered alpha glass pop ups on my EMPERORS SUNRISE mod that seem to work fine, but I created a swing out windscreen for my FLATTY MODEL 8, and it works as intended besides this strange bug with the windscreen alpha. Same alpha I had before I broke it off as a pop up light subob.

I've seen this bug before, like for instance the alpha glass on my pending mod HYPERION, in the pits and in vehicle editor you get this same effect on the mirror turn signals. But they seem to be corrected once you spawn on track, this windscreen is not fixing itself.

I've tried, flipping tris, single and double sided, moving the page with S_glass_alp up and down the list to change it's order in the Textures tab in the editor. Nothing works so far.

Please see the attached photo.

Quote from Rubbel_31 :

Can you fix the Alpha problem? The glass is visible but the back side is invisible

Here's Scawen's post in the Editor test patch thread:

Quote from Scawen :

I will look to see if I can draw the alpha parts of subobjects just before the alpha of the main object, instead of immediately after each subobject as they have been done until now, which was fine for glass on steering wheels.

(This was suggested before but I wanted to include a bit more detail about the topic)

Could a new turbo lag slider option for engine editor be added to make high-boost turbo cars behave more realistic?

I think this option is missing in the current editor. The turbo inertia multiplier does help the turbo spool up slowly at first but makes it stay spooled after letting of throttle making the lag almost non existent after first spool up.

Here I did a test with the original XR GTR and the one in the editor. The original XRR spools up the turbo really slowly and after letting off the throttle and getting back on it the turbo still spools slow.
The editor XRR spools up the turbo really fast all the time without any of the engine settings being changed making it unrealistic.

Original XR GTR


Editor XR GTR



Here is a engine I made with 2.0 Bar pressure and 2.0 turbo inertia using hex editor since the max value is 0.6. It does spool up slowly at first but the lag decreases afterwards.

Sent a car from editor, but still this message appears. D54 editor version. Uploaded straight after. and file uploaded is a 7z so nothing edited there

Quote from YukselYilmaz :

*10-) LFS can be open source, so that it can get to the level it has come to in decades in a few weeks. Drivers can agree among themselves to bring the optimization they want.

Open source is does not magically compact a decade of work into a few weeks.
Usually in OS contributors work only on the project in their free time. Rarely does that mean a more than a few hours per week.
People tend to be unreliable, they take long random breaks or quit without notice.
Money is a necessary evil that allows developers to concentrate on LFS instead of working 12 hours per day in a steel mill or coding 850MB sized printer drivers or whatever.

It is also interesting to look at other open source racing games, for example Speed Dreams:
http://www.speed-dreams.org/
It is based on TORCS and if you see that as its starting point then it has been in development longer than LFS.
Speed Dreams is a great project and it even has some features LFS does not have. For example weather or track editor. If I recall, mentioning it due to recent interest: it even has live delta timing!
But in my opinion LFS is overall more advanced and polished.

Regarding bugs and abuse of certain flaws, those do exist in every game.
iRacing has maybe the biggest budget of all racing games and even there players continue to find new exploits like "brake dragging" or "driving on grass."

Quote from CRAAACH :

The fact that he won't care bout this post doesn't means he disregards all the ideas this post tries to sell

The problem was simply that this was originally posted in a Test Patch thread. There is a sticky "Rules" thread and important messages are repeated with big colored letters in first post of current thread. It is nothing to take personal, it has always been that off topic routinely gets removed there.

A bug which I can't reproduce in 0.7C but at least since 0.7D27:

- in Vehicle Editor, add passengers in one of the default setups
- enable "driver" in bottom right
- change to a different setup without passengers

The passenger models aren't updated in the car until I toggle "driver" off and on again.

There's not much time left for testing so here are today's editor updates, which I am releasing to get them tested ASAP, although I know there are other things still to do. I hope you will find these updates useful.

Changes in Editor 0.7D54:

Lights tab in Vehicle Editor:

FIX: Subobject lights did not visibly update in editor when adjusted

Modeller:

Merge subobject dialog : use selected layer / keep existing layers
Improved layer selection (tooltips change when CTRL is pressed)
- in orange/yellow mode : CTRL+RMB sets the selected layer
- tri mode : CTRL+LMB - select all triangles in layer

Modeller hotkeys / shortcuts:

Keys to select modes changed to numbers 1 to 8 (without SHIFT)
SHIFT+M / SHIFT+S - show main / show subobs

https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/106004