I am still working this but am holding off from a few things in the hope (not expectation ) of some improvements to the LFS editor wheel and suspension definition systems in the next couple of months.

Meanwhile, there is plenty to be getting on with ...

One example is that I have decided to offer two configurations to give a some choice and variety on the grid. Hopefully these small differences together with some well chosen colour schemes will make the action seem more realistic:-

Classic

Yellow Ducted Aero Screen / Red Steering Wheel / White and Chrome Exhaust

Generic

More Conventional Screen / Black Steering Wheel / Dark Grey Exhaust

Having an odometer number as a separate gauge that could be toggled on/off in the dashboard editor would be nice.

Some cars have the odometer near the center of the speedo gauge and this feature would allow us to make the odometer appear below the speedo needle. Right now it's only possible to place it using the multi function display component but it shows more things which can't be hidden.

Quote from stuchlo :

Unfortunately, back in the day cars had large steering wheels. It is a detailed replica and I would like to keep it as realistic as possible. I would suggest to create your custom view or to turn driver and steering wheel off

Thanks. Does the custom view work on the online server? Is it done with a mod editor?
Other than that, my current experiences include poor handling. I lowered it a little and stiffened the suspension, and it improved a little. I think the 5500 speed cutter can be made because it engages the cutter in fourth gear. It has a great first gear for its power.

Last edited by seksen, Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:36.

Quote from Eric :

34 slots, yes.

Is 32 or 40 the common number of grid positions?

40 is common, especially for weekly pick-up series.

The pitlane on your proposed new configuration is very small however, so you could leave extra grid slots to the layout editor, as with others.

My guess is that both car and track editor already existed in some form and were used by Scawen and Eric to make cars and tracks.

Your question has already been asked before and we had quite a discussion about it. The real question is if Scawen plans to release the track editor at some point and what about the track licensing issues? But we should not go offtopic, this thread is for latest test patch issues only.

Im wondering will we have track editor too just like car editor? If u already answered to that question Scawen sorry i havent seen

Appreciate the kind words.

It's been 2 months since the last progress. I haven't abondoned it, been working on it since then especially the interior.

The Interior used is derived from FZ70 4 GTS, But is now heavily edited to fit with the mod and make it similar to the real one. Still working on it

Screenshots for the model so far in LFS Editor:






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In-game:

Last edited by M7md1467, Fri, 20 Oct 2023 00:44.

Quote from rane_nbg :

is it possible to edit the default shader somehow? like with notepad or something?

Yes, just open data/shaders/PostProcess.psh in a text editor.

[quote="DANIEL-CRO;1946520"]Here is new version compatible with patch U.
Note that dashboard wont work with previous patches. My intention was to keep all current gauges compatible. I did most of work, still didn't test gauge divisions (eg speedod.png) and update info text about new resolutions.
All textures can be now two times larger, eg background.png can be 512x512 (old 256x256 still work).
While dashboard editor is open gauges will also be drawn in top left corner of screen. Idea that still sits on my mind for couple of years is to make drag n drop for indicators, gauges, ... but I got many other interesting hobbies now like taking extremely long road trips.

edit: please test this version and report any problems.

update link pls

Quote from Drifteris :

Scawen, if you going to touch engines, could you add crossplane option for inline 4 engine? If it's not too hard

In addition, for V engines, a slider for V-angle. The maths to infer the firing intervals shouldn't be too involved.

For bikes we might need direct control of firing intervals in many cases, e.g. the various flavours of V4. V5s currently aren't allowed, even though that used to be the old crossplane V8 hack when the external tweakers were around, so at some point LFS could figure that out. V3s too

Even with inline 3 engines, for real production bikes that someone might want to reproduce, there are 3 different crankshaft arrangements to choose from. Things start to get potentially complicated for the UI.


A simple solution is to select the crankpin separation (it would use some default value for the cylinder count and configuration) and have the editor duplicate that up. E.g. for Triumph's "T Plane" triple, you would choose the inline 3 and change the crankpin separation from 240 degrees up to 270. This would cover the third configuration, too: the early Laverda triples - select 180 degree crankpin separation.

The same control would work for the V4s and parallel twins.

More fiddly subjects like the difference between 120, 90 and 60 degree V6s, including even firing and uneven firing, would probably not benefit from varying the crankpin separation. Perhaps for these larger engines a simple tickbox for even or uneven firing, whilst still being able to change the V angle in either case.


I think that displaying the firing intervals directly will allow people to get the correct sound even if the in-editor configuration isn't exactly right.

to activate the lightbar on mods, you need to turn on indicators, it would be cool to have a separate button that activates lightbars (that would also mean adding more light features in the editor)

Oh, ok. I was searching and reading a lot in the forum the last days, but did not find the solution.
Your hint explains it, many thanks for that!

Yes, i know the option with generating the (wireframed) skin file from the garage, but that do not work for me. I use Linux since the mid 90s. The game works really fine with WINE (Staging), but copy/paste of graphic files via the wine clipboard do not work yet (only text works). And sadly an option of saving the skin template from the garage to a file do not exist. It's the same with the 3D Editor.

I think i will ask for an updated template.

Hmmm tried to get into the editor today, I've been running the most current patch since release. I'm signed out and can't sign back in. Checked the firewall setting on my side, changes my webpass. Nothing seems to be working

Thank you all very much for the feedback and reports since Friday's test patch (D41).

Tankslacno, that must be the best presented patch report I have ever received!

I am fixing the things which are definite bugs, especially if they were introduced recently. Some things won't be fixed but I will look at all the reported issues and see what I can do in a short time.


NOTE: I seriously want to move away from AI, as soon as possible, to get back to finish and release the recent updates to the mods editor and system (the intermediate, incompatible patch with the existing physics and graphics). So I'm just trying to round off the most important issues.

It would be nice to have the LFS icons updated with the latest version that is already used on Twitter, and the LFS_EDITOR.exe icon should be different from the main LFS game exe.

Here are my suggestions for LFS, LFS editor and LFS_restart icons.

For the LFS Editor, I tried two variants - one with a plain dark blue background, and the other with a 3D wireframe included in the background.
The new icons are also higher resolution - up to 256x256 pixels.





You can download the new icons as a zip file.

Last edited by Flame CZE, Tue, 3 Oct 2023 07:09. Reason : update LFS editor icon, add LFS restart icon

Hi Scawen!

Thanks for this D41 test patch. I tested it quite a lot yesterday and I have a lot of reporting about this. Because I don't want to make this post very large, I decided to create a PDF-document where I report my experiences and issues with this test patch.

This PDF has 8 pages and I've divided it into four parts:
1) Important/Test patch related issues
2) Other caveats with AI drivers
3) Other caveats/bugs I found
4) Information about SPR-files I've attached as well

I've attached four SPR-files. Now, there is also a fifth SPR which I've uploaded into Google Drive since it's too big file to simply attach it here. I've also uploaded these five other files attached here also there.

So you can find a link for that fifth SPR-file here, it's named D41_TestRace_SO4_Bikes.spr: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11nZcHfuKQMeACy-p-FW8X9EVzqiTG9jL

This PDF-document includes:

- 1 game crash
- 1 bug related to D41 update
- My experiences to each of your AI update in D41
- My experiences with updated AI in general with this newest test patch
- 3 other caveats related to AI drivers I noticed (1 of those could be on purpose though)
- Way to sort of bypass a restriction that disallows certain cars in Karting Tracks (WE4/WE5)
- Some other strange things (possible bugs) with Training Lesson Editor
- 1 other bug I found when autosaving replays.
- General information of each SPR-file I've attached

Hello,
maybe my new tool helps you.

You can make some building from basic blocks and save it as separate LYT file.

Then my tool allows you to spawn it in the LFS editor on desired position and even to set heading of the entire composition.

You can find it here:
https://www.lfs.net/forum/thre ... Layout-editor-helper-tool

It contains example composition LA1X_SmallGarage.lyt

Basically you need to create your composition with center point at [0,0,2] - the layout square track is best for that.

Last edited by Vritrasura, Fri, 29 Sep 2023 11:40.

Hello,

I am working on an app that add some advanced and helpful features to LFS poor editor.

You can try this tool, guide is inside zip package.

Features:
- in-place replacing slab for ramp or wedge or vice versa
- moving object along its rotated axis
- quick block rotation by 90 or 180 degrees
- shifting/rotating entire layout as a whole to any direction/angle
- spawning compositions saved as LYT files anywhere on map

Any feedback is welcomed.

Hope it is useful.
Cheers, Vritrasura

Latest version: v0.2

Last edited by Vritrasura, Wed, 11 Oct 2023 23:56.

Hello everyone,

I have been working on detailed replicas of some real cars lately and currently I am trying to get a permission from a manufacturer to use a real design, names and logos for my mods. It proved much more difficult than I imagined, but it is possible. I have started this thread to find answers for questions and issues that I have ran into during the process and maybe this thread will be helpful for more modders who would also like to try to get a license.

It looks like the manufacturer agreed to license my mods under some conditions and I need only a few more steps to get the license for a couple of cars. The first problem is, that the manufacturer needs the final models for a quality inspection. However, the whole mappings and wheels are built in the LFS Editor, so it cannot be viewed if the inspectors do not have the S3 license. Is there any way how to export a textured models (for example into the LFS viewer)?

The next question is, how to prove a license obtained from a manufacturer, without sharing my personal data to all users in the LFS public review system?

here is CMX Importer: https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/80064-Blender-CMX-importer-plugin
and in attachments its one made by Alex Evans (from 2004) for 3dsmax5, and also my 010 Editor template based on that 3dsmax importer data (cmx.h).

Quote from Viperakecske :

How do we fix fps stuttering when someone leaves the pit whit mod car?

1) If there is a bad glitch with a particular mod, you should talk to the mod creator and make sure they use the latest editor test patch. Since editor version D26 there are limits on the number of triangles in the second LOD (shadow LOD). Often mod creators have been lazy and instead of spending a short time to make a low poly shadow mesh, they instead made a direct copy of the main mesh. The recent editor test patches impose limits on that.

2) In the development version which we are all waiting for, there is delayed texture loading, so the car is initially created, but the textures load over subsequent graphical frames, instead of loading them all at once.

3) This has nothing to do with the test patch.

Wow, yeah your version is a lot better than what I made.
My original version was just something I cobbled together for the hell of it, but this actually feels like a real race track. This is only the third or fourth layout I've ever made, so I'm still adjusting to the LFS layout editor. Thanks for the criticism, I'll take it into consideration. Also, the tight corners are much better in your version.

Thanks man. I'm totally just gonna race around your version now lol.

Thanks for converting! This should open up some options for those who model outside of live for speed editor like Blender, Sketchup, 3dsmax, etc.

Hi. Hope you don't mind some constructive criticism.

You've put quite a number of objects on the road - specifically the start lights and arrow markers.

Things that can cause injuries in real life shouldn't be on a track. I'd put the lights behind the armco barrier, or something else, if available.

The marker boards, which in real life are usually made from polystyrene usually wouldn't matter too much, but there's enough 'street furniture' round a track that you can put signs up on lamp posts, street signs, traffic lights, fences, buildings, etc, to keep them out of the way - and usually in better places to see them. You can even make your own poles if needed.

There's a section, just after the start, where there are overhead direction markers that are pointing in wrong direction to where you want drivers to go, so these should be covered to stop any confusion.

Can't say I'm a fan of the very sharp corners you've used, nor the barriers with hard edges just sticking out into the track, as per the barriers for your chicane. Better to round corners into arcs and/or put tyres on outside of barriers.

Finish line. I much prefer when there's an actual finish line of some sort that you can actually see. The line you place to tell LFS where finish is, is invisible, so I tend to use straight coloured chalk lines on ground and/or an overhead banner, which is simple to make with just a pole either side of the road, with a cement wall joining them together.

Tip: If you want to make objects intersect to give better placement, lift and drop objects, and LFS will allow them to 'join'. I use this a lot when I want to make an arc of tyres that look like a solid wall.

I've amended one of your layouts to show what I mean with the points I've raised - see attached.

As far as making layouts, I've only ever done it by hand/eye using the LFS in-game editor, so the more you use it, the easier it gets - evem when using maximum amount of objects.

Feel free to ignore this post if you want

Hello! This is the first time I've ever uploaded a layout to anywhere!

CatterCity (which is the best name I could come up with in 5 seconds) is a nice little layout I created in South City containing long swooping turns, along with some tight corners and of course jumps! (Don't take the jumps too fast or too slow, it won't turn out good lol.) I'm pretty proud of this layout and would love it if you'd give it a shot. Also, there are signs marking which way each corner turns, because sometimes its sorta confusing.

I couldn't get Xbox Game Bar to work so I couldn't record a lap and post it on YouTube, so instead I just included a .spr file of a lap in a Miata. Also, there's two .lyt files, one with checkpoints for racing and one without them for just messing about.

I'm still sort of new to creating layouts, so I hope this is good. Also, this was all made in the built-in layout editor in LFS, but you could probably tell that

(EDIT, sinanju in the comments made a much improved version of the track, so if you'd like to play that, he attached it to his comment.)

Last edited by catterkun, Thu, 21 Sep 2023 00:44. Reason : adding a mention to someone in the comments