The radio silence to the track editor/layout editor suggestions is unreal :lol:

Actually I wrote it wrong, it's not possible to directly import an OBJ file into a subobject.

- Enter the Modeller right from the main menu of the LFS Editor
- Click the OBJ button and load the 3D object
- Click SAVE to save it into 3dob folder
- Close the Modeller and load your mod in Vehicle Editor
- Go to Modeller, select your subobject and click "load" to load a new subobject

I think that if we keep talking more about track editor, it may just become real

Jokes aside, there are many many things to consider, as here sky is the limit or in other words, it's Pandora's box regarding the possibilities. We do not want devs to suffer, we have to take it slowly if we wish these ideas to even be considered.

Last edited by rane_nbg, Mon 10 Jun 2024, 11:47.

Hi i want to use in lfs editor both obj files once, can you please tell me how to do it?

Rear fender have been made , now im finishing the lfd editor part

Quote from Apex Cutter :

3. More to the point; I'd like to be able to freely modify the cars' characteristics in rapid succession; but wondered even if I can, do you have to publicly publish these changes each time and get them approved before you can try them in-game?

I think NTO, LFSTweak etc. could work with mods as they use the same car classes as default LFS cars do(not sure but atleast the naming is very similar), though there is no lfstweak for the current patch. You wouldnt get the detailed adjustments like demo cars would have but instead the cartype editor with power/torque multipliers, max gears, redline, weight modifier etc.

I would imagine it working online if its being run on a server with the modifier tag

Last thing i want to do is a wider rear fender , after that ill import it in LFS Editor

In single player mode, you can do whatever you want with mods using the test mod feature.

If you want to use mods online, they must go through a review process before they are published. Subsequent updates to a mod are not actively reviewed, but significant changes to a mod after initial publication are not allowed - the mod must keep its original character.

There is documentation about mods in the LFS Manual: https://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Vehicle_Mods

There are links to LFS Editor guides and video tutorials, or how to submit your mod to be used online.

Last edited by Flame CZE, Sat 8 Jun 2024, 09:02.

Short answer: yes to 2) and no to 1) and 3). The editor allows you to create complete vehicles, as well as edit any existing one to your liking. There is also a "Test in LFS" button for local testing, and there is no obligation to publish mods.

As far as engine tweaks are concerned, I'm not sure 10k hp is possible, as values are based on physical parameters; you can definitely go over 1,000hp though. Also keep in mind that engine mass is calculated automatically, a more powerful engine will be heavier.

I would suggest going through some of the editor tutorials to see what and how you can tweak things, I believe you will find them in the vehicle mods forum.

I really want to upgrade from S2 to S3 as I love tweaking the cars in any way I like (e.g. using the 'NewTweakOrder' mod on version 0.6H).

Three questions: (underlined below)

1. I feel completely clueless on what I'll actually be able to do with the 'new' vehicle mods / car editor feature. Is it just cosmetic modding (just the body shape with a selection of pre-determined engine / drivetrain options)?

2. For example, in S3 car editor, if I wish, can I adjust any car's power from say 10hp up to 10,000hp, or change transmission type from h-pattern to sequential, or change drivetrain from fwd to awd, or change rim size from 10" to 22" etc.?

3. More to the point; I'd like to be able to freely modify the cars' characteristics in rapid succession; but wondered even if I can, do you have to publicly publish these changes each time and get them approved before you can try them in-game?

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I think this could be done in progressive way,[i][u] improving the layout editor...

There was actually a mod like this for some older LFS versions that I used. It allowed using trees and weed as objects and grandstands and a lot of other objects that we see on official LFS tracks but are missing from the layout editor. The layouts made together with this mod were online compatible as all the objects were taken from the existing game data. IIRC the players weren't even required to have the mod installed to join the server and see the fully functioning layout with custom objects. Shame that I don't have any other photos of it except for this edited one.

This layout was built with the mod on blackwood parking lot and as you can see I added some trees and weed and grandstand there. If this was possible by a modder to do then it shouldn't be much of hassle for Scawen.

Good morning/afternoon modders!! I have tried to upload/update one of my mods this week and even earlier this month and last month... Every time I try to upload/update it is give my a "Mod Timeout" error... I have tried a different browser and still gives the same error, I have the new LFS and LFS editor version, if you had the same error please help me out

Pretty straightforward request -
Hopefully it's feasible, but we hope to see the following 3 things included in editor:
1) Catchfencing (length, height adjustable) - can be unisoned wall object with simple expandable fencing texture above
- self explanatory for layouts... would help greatly keeping cars in the couse


2) Kerb accessories (length adjustable) - inclusive of flat ground kerb and yellow sausage kerb
- like the ones teased in the NY 2023 poster https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2028516#post2028516 or the ones mentioned here https://www.lfs.net/forum/post/2027693#post2027693, and again, self explanatory for layout use, as now we're making do with glitchy ramps


3) Single-object chalk line - currently the chalk line object is a 2m strip, perhaps layout editor could incorporate a point-to-point system where you can preset nodes and then join the lines together to make one continuous object - would save a ton of object count. However this may not be possible... so maybe just the first two important suggestions..?

Imported to vehicle editor. Resized the model, added rims, mapped the lights, built the engine.

Put the engine back and fixed the vertices problem so added suspensions as well. Changed the door textures with more accurate texture. Added license plates. Took my e55's logos and added them, i might add A 500 logo. All things are done in modeller, i'll now import the model to vehicle editor.

Added the interior textures,i'll add the gauge textures when i imported the model to vehicle editor.(Steering wheel texture is temporary)

Edit: Also added light textures

Last edited by ErenAslan94, Thu 6 Jun 2024, 06:05.

If the preferred way to tackle this would be to improve the layout editor first, it will also have an impact on InSim, as it will need to take the additional features into account. The most obvious change would be in the ObjectInfo struct, I think; it would need to increase in size from 8 bytes to whatever is needed for higher precision placement of objects (especially along Z axis and heading), and this could also affect other packets that have parameters using the same format as ObjectInfo (JRR, UCO and AXM use ObjectInfo directly, OBH uses same format for XYZ and index).

With that said, and following what thegamer23 said, I think it could be nice to have grass/gravel/asphalt (and any other type of surface, really) as a flag in what are currently concrete blocks only. That way, combined with higher precision placement, you could make proper terrain within the layout editor. It would most certainly require 2 things, though: a higher object count, which is already an issue for more advanced layout, and as a nice-to-have bonus, a layer system, so the entire layout wouldn't become a cluttered mess from "terrain blocks".

As far as InSim is concerned, the increased ObjectInfo size, plus the increased object count limit, would require more bandwidth, but some clever grouping of values could help alleviate this (this is already the case for some data across InSim).

Quote from thegamer23 :

I can get that point of view!

But what i was mainly suggesting would be just an improved-upgraded layout editor, rather than a full fledged "Track Editor".

What's the difference of having hundreds of custom layouts on a grey parking area compared to having bit more good-looking and less minecraft-looking layouts over a grass field for example?

(and maybe adding a few new objects just to give the custom layouts little bit more characters)

Yes but by adding terrain objects like grass, asphalt etc it is essentially terraform-based objects... which is basically what a Track Editor will be managing - and that's exactly what's been blocked from being introduced as far as I can remember.

I agree with more objects for sure. Like what I mentioned above, catchfencing, kerb object, and maybe even finer points of adjustment for length,height, angle. But I don't think we'll see terrain objects

Quote from MicroSpecV :

Good idea but it's basically what everyone's whos wanted a Track Editor has been...

I can get that point of view!

But what i was mainly suggesting would be just an improved-upgraded layout editor, rather than a full fledged "Track Editor".

What's the difference of having hundreds of custom layouts on a grey parking area compared to having bit more good-looking and less minecraft-looking layouts over a grass field for example?

(and maybe adding a few new objects just to give the custom layouts little bit more characters)

Last edited by thegamer23, Wed 5 Jun 2024, 19:06.

At the current juncture I'd be more inclined to ask Scawen to add two simple things to current LFS Layout Editor...

1) Standard Wall obj but with catchfencing texture (no pass thru obj) above, adjustable in length with fixed wall height
2) A chalk object with pattern or texture that resembles a flat kerb, adjustable in length and color (existing 4 tone)

@Scawen pretty please?

Quote from thegamer23 :

I think this could be done in progressive way, improving the layout editor fist

For example, introducing for example a plain grass field location that can allow building tracks that doesn't look like big grey parking lots.

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Good idea but it's basically what everyone's whos wanted a Track Editor has been requesting for - sandbox open world, mesh and textured objects and free form tools... however iirc somewhere in forum Eric and Scawen have already mentioned they want to keep the game production to themselves hence no track editor. If there were to be one, it would take a) a lot of convinicing in terms of profit, branding and economical benefit of doing so (more licences, more new users coming onboard just for the editor), and b) probably after the new track worlds have been added...

If a Track Editor were to be made public it'll probably be to specifically chosen users whom have shown building skills and explorative approach to track building (because essentially you'd be doing a percentage of what Eric is already doing) - and I believe it should be as such... having a open source kind of concept like vehicle mods but for Track/sandbox would invite a whole new host of rubbish that Mods will have to sift through. Not to mention the amount of new storage space the servers (and the game size itself) will have to accomodate.

I fully agree with all of the above, "only a few" elements can make a huge difference with the layout editor, regarding the immersion and layout variety. That will give us plenty of time to mess with it before a real need for a track editor comes along.

It's just like having more LEGO pieces of different shapes and sizes, that spark the imagination of the creator to build amazing things. The addition of a few types of trees that are already present in the original LFS tracks is more than enough.

Last edited by rane_nbg, Wed 5 Jun 2024, 13:03.

I think this could be done in progressive way, improving the layout editor fist

For example, introducing for example a plain grass field location that can allow building tracks that doesn't look like big grey parking lots.




Something like that


Along with that, introducing these three elements: asphalt, gravel trap and grass blocks.
Similar to the current pale cement square blocks, but you can choose from asphalt, gravel and grass.

A "Trees" element should be introduced, and could make all the difference in terms of look.

Those two or three "simple" modifications alone could make a massive difference in layout building.

Custom layouts would look massively better, realistic, and much more immersive than the current grey landscape.







I'm not a dev, so i could be totally wrong, but i'm guessing this shouldn't a daunting task if the LFS engine allows it.

After that, to make a step further you could introduce in the editor a lot of the elements that we see on the official tracks.
Like grandstands, armco barriers, fencing, and a long list of decorative elements.

Along with allowing a more precise gradient for the blocks (like, with 1-2% precision and not 6% like it is today), in order to re-create downhill and uphill sections without it being rough on the suspensions.

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So, i think this could be the first step in the track editing process, wich could come later in the future in a proper way.

But i think that improving the layout editor alone could attract a lot of costumers (Hey! Have you heard? In LFS you can build your own cool tracks and race on them!) and make the modding community go wild with more realistic layouts and sceneries.

The layout editor as it is has its limitations indeed, but it is still an extremely powerful tool for trackmaking.
Sure, you need some imagination to fully immerse yourself into the bland environment full of concrete blocks around massive parking lot, but once you put these visual challenges past your mind, the end result is very rewarding

Here are some comparisons of the layout editor Portland International Raceway with the irl thing:


Some random blended image from Mexico City:


And some onboard comparison of the New York ePrix circuit:



Long story short, while we will have to wait quite a while for the proper track editor (if it ever gets released to public), I think what we have already is kinda underappreciated and should be explored more, because despite its limits it is still an incredible tool worth using

If everyone can wait a bit longer.

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Last edited by Antonnio Giovannazi, Wed 5 Jun 2024, 04:30.