I would think it would be the XFR/UFR or gt2's on race3.

But If I were you I would just race with whichever car you like racing with.

I had a 2 speed automatic FZR that did low 7's I think. I haven't done it in a while I'll try to find the picture. It was 2wd btw

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That's most likely because he was a (rather high ranking?) cop and they decided to adjust the law of their own accord. (Typical American policy right there)

Not quite. You can't just "adjust" the law to your liking when this story is all over the news..

The cop who was arrested sued the officer who arrested him for "unwarrented search" or some BS like that. So It's completely unprovable and It's one persons word vs. anothers. The cop who got the DUI obviously had an excellent scumbag peice of shit... Err.. I mean lawyer.

Sorry for the ot.

The XFG and XRG are an absolute blast to drive on the longer tracks. Now if only we could get some people to drive them :P

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Well I guess people who live in the USA should be speaking about what it is like over there.

It sucks.

Quote from SamH :

You also have to understand that the US is only "land of the free" by tagline. In actual practice, it's a fairly repressive society even compared with the UK, with its CCTV culture etc. You can't drink til you're 21, even in your own home. You're far less likely to get let off with a warning by the cops than you are in the UK for the same stuff. Smoking a spliff is more likely to get you jailed in the US than the UK. You can't place a bet legally outside a casino, even at a game of poker at home with your buddies. No, you probably won't get caught but the law is the law. If you piss off your neighbour you can easily be arrested - you'll get released without charge later, but it's damned inconvenient in the meantime..

Aint that the truth.


America... The only place where a cop(off duty) can get pulled over twice for DUI in the same night! and walk away with $500k and full retirement.

This also happens with lfstweak adding a lot of extra power will make the brake force go crazy. At least it used to not sure anymore.

download some hotlap .spr's Watch what they do. Also I'd download a setup from setupgrid.net I'm sure there are a few uploaded there.


Turn 3 is the most difficult turn of the track. You should always go high into turn 3 and stay high through the turn. You may have to lift going into turn 3 with some sets.

Once you get the hang of it it's pretty easy and you will have times in the 48's in no time. Also If you happen to see any servers up that are xrt at ky1 with a few people connected join in and ask for some help.


Aj.

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LFSName: z-ro 8
First and Last Name: kevin myers
Car Number: 08
Country: USA
Team Affiliation: None

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LFSName: IceBergSRB
First and Last Name: Nikola Maksimovic
Car Number: 125
Country: SRB
Team Affiliation: Revolution Junkies Team

This is a S2 league. Unless you are posting on a separate forum account or buying S2 before the race You wont be able to attend.

Quote from Crashgate3 :

If you use coolant that's below the ambient air temperture, you start to run into major problems with condensation forming on components inside the case. Unless you're prepared to waterproof your entire motherboard (down to individually coating each component) it's just not worth it. And yes, it'd burn out a mini-fridge - it's just not designed for that kind of heat-dump.

Condenstation.. Right So it's a no go. I still dont understand how it would "Burn out" the fridge. Seems kind of strange.

Oh well regular watercooling will probably be fine for what I do anyway

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... They are in perfect control, or else they'd crash. Everyone is quick to critisize, yet no-one is quick to give credit where it's due. And it's due here.

UMM WHAT?!

They are not in control and they do crash often. This is what happens when people have enough money to buy the law in their area. These people can spit on the police over there.

Disgusting... That is the only way to describe those videos.

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Dear AjRose,

I see what you're trying to do. Let me sum this up, you are:

1) basically saying my suggestions are crap because you don't value realism that highly.

Guess what? I do, that's the only reason I'm into LFS. The choice of a title for the thread might have been a giveaway, I know, but can't help it

I value realism above all else in LFS. I just know how a business works and you have to make certain concessions to continue to make money.

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The button clutch cheat and issues with fake sequential are Evil and go against the trend that LFS has displayed over the years, i.e. increasing realism by removing or toning down those driving helps which are too good. It happened with auto-blip, it happened with keyboard stabilised.

I absolutely agree with this. But there are bigger [b[]problems[/b] that need to be addressed first. Note that I said problems and not content.

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2) trying to persuade a fully grown up euro guy (me) that he doesn't know how euro cars are supposed to work.

So now its because I was born in the USA? For a fully grown "euro guy" you seem to be very immature.

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Seriously, I've been driving cars with manuals already when you were still in kindergarten, do you really think I'm going to trust your posts over my own experience?

3) trying to make me feel guilty for having a shifter (?!)

This is the icing on the cake

I not trying to make you feel quilty for anything. I'm saying you CHOOSE to use a wheel. You do not have to use it. The DEV's are obviously not going to make this the Ultra-realistic game you are hoping it will become.



This will be my last post in this thread because You are obviously not going to see my side of the argument. I don't care if you don't agree with it but you are completely blind to it.


Good day.

Quote from JamesF1 :

Noticed this particular problem the other day. Was (quick-)editing a post, and the 'Save/Edit/Whatever' button read 'Vote Now' - doesn't happen all the time, though.

I just noticed this now too( i was going to make a thread about it :P)

I'm also using google chrome.

You should seriously calm down a bit you are heading in the wrong direction.

Quote from natedog420 :

doesnt work. a fridge is for cooling something with no heat dump so therefore you would over power the fridges potential and possibly burn up the fridge. it would work for short time benchs to have good temp but for long time use it will cause problems.

I would just be using the fridge to keep the bucket of ice water that the radiator would be sitting in cold so the ice lasts longer. I should have explained better.


I also own a restaurant grade Icemaker so free ice

I want to get into watercooling when I get my new CPU Has anyone heard of using icewater to cool the radiator? I have a mini fridge (quite small) that I wouldn't mind drilling some holes into for the water lines to pass through. Is that just stupid or?

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You're missing the point. The button clutch is a known cheat which is commonly used by some people to gain an unfair speed advantage. As things stand today, the fastest way to shift is use the button clutch cheat, followed by sequential mode, and last is the manual.

So the button clutch cheat should be eliminated because it is an overcomplicated and unrealistic way to seize an advantage over other drivers. And the driving help should be tamed as it shifts way too fast to be a driving help. It's just a shortcut to lower laptimes which has no place in LFS, a simulator that strives to achieve as much realism as possible.

How do you suggest this is fixed then? Afaik there is no way to fix this* short of eliminating the button clutch which is impossible..

*Maybe some sort of detection system that will kick/ban people automatically?

Some people are only in it to win. And will do anything to do that even if it means cheating. I have no respect for people that cheat. The dev's have to compromise between a slight advantage for cheaters and possibly losing a lot of their users.

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Engines with heavy flywheels would be able to recover. But that is definitely something you don't want to have on any car which you race with, as is the case for most road cars and race cars in LFS.

Back to the point, what happens in LFS is that in some spins you're able to avoid a stall even if you're slow on the clutch. I mean in cars like the XFG which is certainly not high displacement.

By that you mean a heavy flywheel or recovering from a stall? I'm not quite sure from how you worded it.

If you did mean a heavier flywheel..

Then I don't think that is a valid argument. The road cars in LFS *should* have heavier flywheels AS road cars in real life do. That's obviously not ideal for racing but most people don't race their road cars.

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From a race perspective, this means you lose less time on a spin than you should. It may be a minor point, but it still is one nonetheless.

But this is an advantage everyone has. So really It's no advantage at all. not to mention many people use auto clutch(I hate it!) So they have 0 risk of stalling at all.

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What you're saying here is there's no need for improvements because it's not a big deal to ignore the flaws in LFS. This is an improvement suggestions board, so it'd be kind of pointless to suggest not to make suggestions, am I wrong?

You are not wrong. NEW Ideas are wonderful. I'm not suggesting you don't make suggestions. But you should make some new suggestions. I'm also saying *now* that you should have your priorities in order. There are many things that should be fixed before I would even consider worrying about a gear indicator(which has already been suggested.)

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As for getting a shifter, if I was able to buy one than anyone can, unless they come from a country whose exchange rate is severely impaired.

I'm sure a lot of people on this forum have the money to buy a shifter/clutch. I bet a lot of people don't have the money too. you have to remember there are a lot of young kids on this forum. Not to mention the state of the economy in some areas..

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They are very affordable now and the main reason why some people can't be bothered to get one is simply because there's no speed to be gained from that.

Well that is going to have to be part of the game then. Until LFS only supports manual clutches(Not going to happen). There has to be some compromise. LFS cannot be an ultimately realistic driving simulator. Many people that play LFS have no desire to have an extremely realistic experience. Some people are just in it for the fun. And the Dev's know this they would be cutting into their profits (our patches, future content etc.)

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In LFS the engine takes too much time to reach 0, much more than needed IRL. That was what I was trying to say and I'll see if I can change the OP to make this more clear.

how many cars have you driven? Have you timed every single one? I know I can say that there is *Hardly* a noticeable difference between the time it takes for the revs in my car to drop to 0 as a LFS car does.

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Small fixes shouldn't be pushed forward unless there's a good reason for that, e.g. if it would mean fix something that would need to be rewritten anyway in a very short time.

New content is probably not going to come until S3 and all that bonus content which we received (or are hoping to receive), is just that: bonus content, we should be thankful for what we've got - but not expect more as all of those extras came for unplanned things that happened along the way (like V1 challenge, the VW deal etc)

I am very thankfull for all that we have in LFS. I think the DEV's are doing an excellent job. I can't say that new content will come out before S3 because I don't know. I'm also not sure that it would be "bonus" content as I would expect the DEV's to raise the cost from S2 to S3.

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Besides, one could use the 'content/major things' argument to counter all the suggestions for improvements, because they will either be minor and as such infinitely delayable, or too big and as such just too much to ask.

New content is the worst argument for not fixing things that should be/ need to be improved.

None of the improvements you have suggested (In my opinion) are going to improve the game. In fact they are suggestions most people would not notice.

Any word on dates for the practice races?

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Quote from imadude10 :

I am quite sure I drive myself in my truck almost everyday. It has a 5-Speed manual gearbox. I can drive as low as 150 rpms before it actually cuts out. Albeit it is a very VERY rough and uncomfortable ride. This can actually be seen in LFS is you get going in a higher gear at about 500 rpms and floor it, the camera will shake as each piston fires. I just think, as has been said before many times, that the engines need reworking. I don't know how to put this into words, but it feels the engines need more mass... There is little to no engine braking in any cars unless you dramatically downshift near or past the redline. Perhaps all the cars are equipped with lightweight flywheels.

Bryan

Again, It's impossible to feel the forces through a computer screen. Also you have it backwards. A lighter weight flywheel will slow a car/engine much quicker than a heavier one.


To compare you "could" grab a video camera get in your car get to about 60mph and let off the gas. Then compare the video with the same scenario In LFS. I am sure there will be a difference.. Much smaller though than I feel you are expecting.

Last edited by AjRose, Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:39.

Stress relief



Err... Cause of stress?? I dont know anymore :P

Quote from imadude10 :

I agree with this entire section.

I dont agree at all with this section.

Have any of you ever driven a real car? Sure most cars wont be able to recover from 200 rpms but some will. And being in that situation is so unlikely most people will not ever notice it.

As for the manual-seq shifting I VERY often mis shift, I find it MUCH easier actually to mis-shift with the seq and button clutch. Also if you shift properly without flatshifting it will take very near the same amount of time as an H-shifter.

The clutch is not a problem in LFS as far as I can tell. The problem lies with the controller. A Force Feedback clutch is absolutely required to compare the LFS clutch to a real life clutch.

The gear indicator... Really? Is it that big of a deal for you to ignore it? Better yet why dont you buy everyone that plays LFS an H-shifter. There problem solved the Dev's will be able to get rid of it.

All of these have been suggested before. Except maybe the engine simulation part which is very strange because I have never had the Rev's drop Instantly to 0 upon turning off a car Even from idle. Possibly happens with digital tachometers?

Quote from Bose321 :

400-500 fps with that CPU? hm.

Agreed, I have a phenom 9600 oc'd to 2.5 and I dont get over 200 very often. dual 9800gt's also btw.


What resolution are you running at?

LFSName: AjRose
First and Last Name: Anthony Roselli
Car Number: 70
Country: USA
Team Affiliation: None

LOL @ the first one being taken down by F1 management